And who paid the tax that funded our schools, hospitals and road.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Great educational video Wibble for someone like me, who doesnt quite grasp why the measures are being put in place. Excellent
I don't understand how the government can think 22 million is ok for Greater Manchester and offer 42-44 million to Liverpool and Lancashire. Even 44 million is too little.
Shouldn't Andy be saying this out loud if true though? He's getting some criticism for delaying and risking lives but if the figure is true then I would say in the press very clearly the government is risking lives with such a derisory offer compared to our neigbours.
With cases dropping here in Gtr Man, said to be the lowest region today, maybe we can stay Tier 2 but really it's about the hospitals.
Shouldn't Andy be saying this out loud if true though? He's getting some criticism for delaying and risking lives but if the figure is true then I would say in the press very clearly the government is risking lives with such a derisory offer compared to our neigbours.
With cases dropping here in Gtr Man, said to be the lowest region today, maybe we can stay Tier 2 but really it's about the hospitals.
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Interesting (perhaps), cyclist Fernando Gaviria has tested positive for a second time. The first time was back in March. This time he's asymptomatic (although notably has been in poor form).
I had assumed that reinfections were edge cases that occurred in the infirm.
I had assumed that reinfections were edge cases that occurred in the infirm.
Nature article on the main phase 3 trials to date
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02926-w
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02926-w
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Yeah, it's always somewhat reassuring to hear people like Fauci say 'to be honest, I really don't know where we're going (I just know I'd rather we were in a better position by now)' or similar. Navigating through uncertainty with an open mind is a pretty important part of science so it is a bit odd that you can find so many relevant academic experts seem to shrug that off when they're in the public eye.
Yeah, it's always somewhat reassuring to hear people like Fauci say 'to be honest, I really don't know where we're going (I just know I'd rather we were in a better position by now)' or similar. Navigating through uncertainty with an open mind is a pretty important part of science so it is a bit odd that you can find so many relevant academic experts seem to shrug that off when they're in the public eye.
Has any reason been offered as to why Greater Manchester merits 1/4 of the extra support offered Liverpool and Lancashire?
It's also pretty much the scientific method in action. However, the general public won't like situations that aren't clear cut.
Great article here on the origins of COVID-19 and whether China covered it up. Not sure if it has been posted before but we’ll worth a read.
https://www.ft.com/content/82574e3d-1633-48ad-8afb-71ebb3fe3dee
https://www.ft.com/content/82574e3d-1633-48ad-8afb-71ebb3fe3dee
That’s been one of the biggest eye-openers for me. I’ve always been inclined to defer to anyone who is more qualified than me on any given topic. This pandemic has revealed the way that many academics behave like zealots. Picking and choosing pieces of data to support their underlying agenda. I think it was @Arruda who called this behaviour out very early on in the pandemic and he’s been proved right.It’s all very unedifying and depressing.
You can see why conspiracy theories are so appealing. It must be comforting to convince yourself this is all being carefully planned by people who know exactly what they’re doing. Reminds me of the way becoming an adult involves an uncomfortable realisation that everyone is flawed and muddling their way through life. Even authority figures. Conspiracy gonks biggest failing is arguably immaturity.
The sad thing is that nutters will use articles like this to absolve their leaders from the terrible decisions that were made after the virus was detected in their countries.
Interesting read, though. Thanks for it.
Understood.
Which of the current measures is responsible for the low level of cases in the Cheltenham and Gloucester area?
spray the grey tracksuit bottomed wearing cnuts as well
Very good BMJ article. All debates in the current era seem to degenerate in the way this article describes, with everyone just viewing all evidence through the lense of whatever conclusion they have already made. Think the modern broadcast, press and especially social media have caused this to happen. It's a 21st century phenomena.
If I were an expert speaking in public as an authority I would use the same cautious approach and wording I'd have used when I was a scientist. I'm not so I have the freedom to say where I think we are going based on my understanding of the evidence to a few football fans on the Caf.
my post was a comment on how one chooses to live ones life, which is the backdrop of the conversation, not in any way a commentary on treating old people as expendable. if it's a choice between having 85 years of living a free life or 86 where your movement and choices are restricted thoughout, then it's not ageism to suggest the former would be a more preferable life to lead for most. this is the only life we have and our ability to live it as best as we can is more important than the sheer length of it, just for length's sake.
I'm not making a big deal out of it but unconsciously you were saying the last year or few years of life aren't worth much.
I'd always opt for a longer life, especially if the choice was the current inconvenience (for me) that almost certainly will be over or at least hugely improved in the next year or two.
Which of course is irrelevant anyway as we don't get to individually choose.
I know mate I’m only kidding, I’m far closer to your opinions than the Swedish one but think it’s fair to say you both represent the extremes of the debate.
I wasn't taking any offense at all (I was actually picturing that Mourinho gif). Things should be discussed vigorously as you usually learn more from diverse opinions than when everyone agrees with each other.
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15 minutes to the crunch
... in comparison to having to live an entire 86 years of compromise and inconvenience, yes. let's be clear: this isn't about saying ones 86th year is rubbish because el oh el old people, it's saying the benefits of adding one extra year isn't better than having to live 85 years in an oppressed, inconvenienced state. which i know is a nonsensical thing to discuss but you're the one who lead us down this path.
if we were talking about inconvenciences for a year, then that's a completely different argument, and one I would also be fine putting up with. but you've moved the goalposts here.
Just checked youtube to see if there was any update on the vaccine
saw this from 3 hrs ago.. the comments section is a joy.
saw this from 3 hrs ago.. the comments section is a joy.
who knows exactly why but we’ve seen a clear increase in cases which have now started to come down again and are already at a low number so what sense does it make crippling these towns and cities where things are going in the right direction when support money is needed in other places much more?
for what it’s worth it makes no difference to me as my life in tier 3 currently would be more or less identical to what it is now
The stupid is very strong in those comments even by the usual deplorable standards of YouTube comments.
Proof that there really should be intelligence tests before allowing people to vote!
And to procreate.
Ive said it before and Ill say it again, being an adult and all of its associated privileges shouldnt be based on age, it should be based on bloody common sense. Finish school get your adult licence. Do something stupid like drink driving, sticking a grenade up your arse or agreeing with trump, believe the moon landings were faked or 9/11 was a hoax? points on your licence. Hit a certain amount of points and your adult licence is revoked and all of your decisions now have to be made by a responsible adult with a clean adult licence, cant find one then one will be provided for you.
There seems to be more and more people convinced that lockdowns and masks down work because we still have covid spreading. The other stupid argument being why even lockdown if when we open up again it comes back.
I can't tell if it's people being idiots or they just don't want restrictions and so they're wilfully showing bias.
It all feels a little bit like Brexit to be honest.
I can't tell if it's people being idiots or they just don't want restrictions and so they're wilfully showing bias.
It all feels a little bit like Brexit to be honest.
I think it's mostly that people hate the idea of another lockdown and so are trying to justify to themselves why it's a bad idea.
it's also difficult to convey a sense of how bad things would be if there wasn't another lockdown to these people given
A) deaths have been relatively low for such a supposedly brutal virus but that's pretty much because we locked down already
B) it largely only affects really old people and a lot of young people therefore couldn't give a flying feck
C) Err.. Sweden?
I'm a little pissed here in Ireland too, we are essentially locking down again because our useless health service didn't add any more ICU beds to their capacity in the last nine fecking months to deal with this much predicted second wave of the virus. Unfortunately we are all paying the price for their negligence. but.. HSE gon' HSE.
This! My colleague who is very political and loves brexit has just taken this approach, he previously seemed sensible about it but now has decided lockdown doesn’t work and wales should not be going into lockdown, I mean come on pal imagine how bad it would be if we just let it spread.
All for it, if only to piss off conspiracy mongers about NWO even more. Let's even call it 'new world order' for the sake of it.
A vaccine won't give us normal life e.g. 60k full football stadiums, no mask wearing on public transport and live music gigs/festivals which people all want to enjoy again eventually the day after the first jab though.
Hopefully 2021 won't be as grim as this year but the first half of it is still going to be under restrictions, saw interview with someone from Public Health England who said compulsory face masking would still be needed up to June/July which looks realistic. That would rule out the early summer festivals unless they just went to one day but already taken a hit financially.
Of course these now as seen as life luxuries but just thinking of numbers in normal times who attend football matches over one weekend and the number must be close to a million and you have 100k + attendances at likes of Reading and Leeds, Download and Glasto and there are another hundred smaller festivals.
That's what I'd class as a normal year. I see it as second half of 2021 to get the social scene properly up and running and then 2022 as "normal" providing everything goes to plan with the vaccine trials continuing.
Edit: Sorry @Wibble didn't see your reply below to a poster who asked that question. Pretty similar view to mine.
Absolutely. Most everything in life is just a privilege, and all of those things can & should be revoked for glaring lapses of common sense.
Blimey is Poland really that bad?!
Think U.K was estimated at 30% of people who were reluctant to take a vaccine for whatever reason.