Maybe, but I'm talking about Italy here. It was everywhere before we even knew it had left China. Nobody will be caught out like that again, or at least they shouldn't be. We can all see it coming now.
Thought you were talking about BoJo et al.
Maybe, but I'm talking about Italy here. It was everywhere before we even knew it had left China. Nobody will be caught out like that again, or at least they shouldn't be. We can all see it coming now.
Does anyone actually believe China's reporting?
My guess would be 2 years but I doubt we will see a return to the old normal.
Surely, once those deemed to be at high risk have been vaccinated we can be back to normal, no? For everyone else its just another illness, without the need for hospitals and so on???
Surely, once those deemed to be at high risk have been vaccinated we can be back to normal, no? For everyone else its just another illness, without the need for hospitals and so on???
They went crazy with their lockdowns when they first realized it was bad..Does anyone actually believe China's reporting?
Thought you were talking about BoJo et al.
That isn't that simple a question I suspect especially as manufacture, distribution and administration could take some time given how many people there are in the world.
If we went into Christmas 2021/22 with a world well on the way back to something like normality I think that would be a major victory
Oh no. The UK couldn't see it if it were a freight train coming towards them.
I am skeptical that we will see a return to the freedom of travel and ease of movement we have been enjoying for the last 40 years. Airlines have been battered by this, the travel industry has been routed. Going forward portions of the former travelling population will be more conservative, travel insurance will be more complicated, all borders will open again but with a variety of restrictions. There will no doubt be discounted airfares for example to try and lure the travelling public back but those can only last for a short time before the reality of making air travel between countries viable. The cost of flying around the world I think will increase and with that there will be fewer people travelling. I just dont see a return to the normal we got used to.Of course we will return to a normal.
We might have to consider the idea of hand hygiene more and be much more aware of our surroundings.
Hopefully the efficiencies we have developed last and the world takes what ever learning we can from this.
The concentrated efforts will certainly speed up the process. To think in 12 months we could be on the way back to life is good.
I really think putting an end to this in sight will help people.
Interesting to read in this link about the percentages of people who will be willing to take the vaccine. I would initially have been against being vaccinated, but they can inject me with whatever they want right now, i just want to go back to normal.I think the roll out of the vaccine and its impact will take longer than some might think. The logisitics of it are going to be somewhat complicated. This is in our local newspaper here today but some of whats written in this can be broadly applied elsewhere. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-b...-vaccine-roll-out/P7HIVKGYOGVMOMI6XLWK3DIUOU/
My guess would be 2 years but I doubt we will see a return to the old normal.
Here hereWhile I have been proven to be laughably incompetent when it comes to medical stuff and am therefore refraining from making any further guesses, I must say that I think that most people would rather have their life expectancy cut by 10-15 years than live in a way resembling the way they currently do for the rest of their lives.
While I have been proven to be laughably incompetent when it comes to medical stuff and am therefore refraining from making any further guesses, I must say that I think that most people would rather have their life expectancy cut by 10-15 years than live in a way resembling the way they currently do for the rest of their lives.
While I have been proven to be laughably incompetent when it comes to medical stuff and am therefore refraining from making any further guesses, I must say that I think that most people would rather have their life expectancy cut by 10-15 years than live in a way resembling the way they currently do for the rest of their lives.
I think maybe the situation Im experiencing has me lacking in the experience others are having to deal with elsewhere. Hopefully I am wrong with what Im expecting going forward.While I have been proven to be laughably incompetent when it comes to medical stuff and am therefore refraining from making any further guesses, I must say that I think that most people would rather have their life expectancy cut by 10-15 years than live in a way resembling the way they currently do for the rest of their lives.
10-15 years? I wouldn't trade 10-15 months.
Luckily we almost certainly won't have to live like we are of course.
So you would actually rather live to, say, 86 but be unable to go to a cinema, attend public events or a wedding than live freely to 85? Really?
So you would actually rather live to, say, 86 but be unable to go to a cinema, attend public events or a wedding than live freely to 85? Really?
Yes. Not that that is the choice where I live as those things are all allowed (or will be soon).
You only have to look at the turnover of businesses that sell products that collectively considerably shorten the lives of our populace to see that people would prefer an early death over living a subjectively "worse" life. The alcohol industry, the fast food industry, the tobacco industry, hell even the automotive industry; the list goes on.
You could also point to the (lack of) worldwide response to the best part of half a million flu deaths per year.
While I have been proven to be laughably incompetent when it comes to medical stuff and am therefore refraining from making any further guesses, I must say that I think that most people would rather have their life expectancy cut by 10-15 years than live in a way resembling the way they currently do for the rest of their lives.
This was actually the point I was going to make. And in this case, the difference in quality of life is absolute unless you are a shut-in
Given your willingness to sacrifice the enjoyment of life to moderately increase your life expectancy you must be the healthiest person alive.
Why?
If there was a guarantee that this thing wasn’t going anywhere, we’d change society.
It would be better.
I am skeptical that we will see a return to the freedom of travel and ease of movement we have been enjoying for the last 40 years. Airlines have been battered by this, the travel industry has been routed. Going forward portions of the former travelling population will be more conservative, travel insurance will be more complicated, all borders will open again but with a variety of restrictions. There will no doubt be discounted airfares for example to try and lure the travelling public back but those can only last for a short time before the reality of making air travel between countries viable. The cost of flying around the world I think will increase and with that there will be fewer people travelling. I just dont see a return to the normal we got used to.
Given your willingness to see your staff make heavy personal sacrifices in order to keep you living the life you’re accustomed to, you probably shouldn’t weigh in on this.
Also - 10 years isn’t ‘Moderately increase’. It’s 5-20%.
Even in the most pessimistic view the harshest restrictions aren't going to be around forever. If it was a couple of months a year I'm sure people could cope without trading 15 years off their life
In retrospect i wonder if people would have preferred scheduled circuit breakers from the off so people could have enjoyed themselves a little every now and again.
Are there any fines if someone left a tier 3 region and went on holiday in a tier 1 region?
Say from Liverpool to Cornwall?
Not that it's the season but pubs are open in the latter could definetly see many galivanting.
Reading the restrictions seems full of 'Should' rather than 'Must'
Considering you can fly overseas from a Tier 3 region, I doubt it.
Yes. Not that that is the choice where I live as those things are all allowed (or will be soon).
Really didn't think they were going to go all out like this. Suppose its not yet confirmed but looks to be what you've said.Looks like Ireland heading back to Level 5 - our very strictest level - until the end of November. Only difference from last March to May is that schools will be staying open (assuming the teachers don’t strike).
Leo looks a right clown aftet this. I guess being cosied up big business lobbyists only stretches so thinLooks like Ireland heading back to Level 5 - our very strictest level - until the end of November. Only difference from last March to May is that schools will be staying open (assuming the teachers don’t strike).