Surely, once those deemed to be at high risk have been vaccinated we can be back to normal, no? For everyone else its just another illness, without the need for hospitals and so on???
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Thought you were talking about BoJo et al.
I certainly dont.
Of course we will return to a normal.
We might have to consider the idea of hand hygiene more and be much more aware of our surroundings.
Hopefully the efficiencies we have developed last and the world takes what ever learning we can from this.
Not for everyone it isn't. But I think vaccination of high risk people will come first but I think it may take far more than that to return fully to normal sadly.
I think the roll out of the vaccine and its impact will take longer than some might think. The logisitics of it are going to be somewhat complicated. This is in our local newspaper here today but some of whats written in this can be broadly applied elsewhere. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-b...-vaccine-roll-out/P7HIVKGYOGVMOMI6XLWK3DIUOU/
They went crazy with their lockdowns when they first realized it was bad..
We havent seen anything since.. There is no way they are locking down whole cities with the word not getting out..
And they are smart enough to know leaving it unchecked means it can get out of hand pretty quickly..
There is no reason to doubt that China have it under control. Unless you love a conspiracy.
Oh no. The UK couldn't see it if it were a freight train coming towards them.
The concentrated efforts will certainly speed up the process. To think in 12 months we could be on the way back to life is good.
I really think putting an end to this in sight will help people.
This made me giggle far too much.
I am skeptical that we will see a return to the freedom of travel and ease of movement we have been enjoying for the last 40 years. Airlines have been battered by this, the travel industry has been routed. Going forward portions of the former travelling population will be more conservative, travel insurance will be more complicated, all borders will open again but with a variety of restrictions. There will no doubt be discounted airfares for example to try and lure the travelling public back but those can only last for a short time before the reality of making air travel between countries viable. The cost of flying around the world I think will increase and with that there will be fewer people travelling. I just dont see a return to the normal we got used to.
I agree and why I really hope a vaccine gets approved before one fails - world moral really needs it
Interesting to read in this link about the percentages of people who will be willing to take the vaccine. I would initially have been against being vaccinated, but they can inject me with whatever they want right now, i just want to go back to normal.
I think it was mentioned earlier in this thread about the consequences of choosing against having the vaccine - no travel etc. I think things like that would say more people to be willing!
While I have been proven to be laughably incompetent when it comes to medical stuff and am therefore refraining from making any further guesses, I must say that I think that most people would rather have their life expectancy cut by 10-15 years than live in a way resembling the way they currently do for the rest of their lives.
Here here
10-15 years? I wouldn't trade 10-15 months.
Luckily we almost certainly won't have to live like we are of course.
Speak for yourself! Wash your hands a bit more than normal and dont go out as much? Its hardly World War 3.
I think maybe the situation Im experiencing has me lacking in the experience others are having to deal with elsewhere. Hopefully I am wrong with what Im expecting going forward.
So you would actually rather live to, say, 86 but be unable to go to a cinema, attend public events or a wedding than live freely to 85? Really?
Yes. Not that that is the choice where I live as those things are all allowed (or will be soon).
You only have to look at the turnover of businesses that sell products that collectively considerably shorten the lives of our populace to see that people would prefer an early death over living a subjectively "worse" life. The alcohol industry, the fast food industry, the tobacco industry, hell even the automotive industry; the list goes on.
You could also point to the (lack of) worldwide response to the best part of half a million flu deaths per year.
Given your willingness to sacrifice the enjoyment of life to moderately increase your life expectancy you must be the healthiest person alive.
This was actually the point I was going to make. And in this case, the difference in quality of life is absolute unless you are a shut-in
Why?
If there was a guarantee that this thing wasn’t going anywhere, we’d change society.
It would be better.
The only conclusion I can reach is that you'd have to have a miserable life to begin with if you'd be comfortable living this way perpetually in order to merely survive another 10 months.
Given your willingness to see your staff make heavy personal sacrifices in order to keep you living the life you’re accustomed to, you probably shouldn’t weigh in on this.
Also - 10 years isn’t ‘Moderately increase’. It’s 5-20%.
Change for the better how? We would all get a personal bubble to jump around in when going out?
Ok maybe in certain sectors like aviation it will take longer but it will return.
Day to day now I am working a car commute from home ( pre covid) so dont care about aviation. I used to fly alot but last year or so its just summer holidays and the odd weekend city break. I can live without that.
Watching Bledisloe cup rugby at the weekend tells me we will be ok.
Commenting on things in which you are poorly and only anecdotally informed is generally not the best idea. My staff are fully cognisant and comfortable with the expectations for any role within my business and are remunerated according to those expectations. Likewise for every business metric that would infer "heavy personal sacrifices" my division outperforms both industry averages and our own group (staff turnover, employee feedback, staff satisfaction etc).
I also like the snide "in order to keep you living the life you're accustomed to". It works both ways - my work keeps them in employment just like their work keeps me in employment. My remuneration is correlated to my "personal sacrifice" just like my staffs is.
"10-15 years? I wouldn't trade 10-15 months."
10 years isn't but 10-15 months certainly is... It's 1% - 1.5% of the average life.
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Even in the most pessimistic view the harshest restrictions aren't going to be around forever. If it was a couple of months a year I'm sure people could cope without trading 15 years off their life 
In retrospect i wonder if people would have preferred scheduled circuit breakers from the off so people could have enjoyed themselves a little every now and again.
In retrospect i wonder if people would have preferred scheduled circuit breakers from the off so people could have enjoyed themselves a little every now and again.
Are there any fines if someone left a tier 3 region and went on holiday in a tier 1 region?
Say from Liverpool to Cornwall?
Not that it's the season but pubs are open in the latter could definetly see many galivanting.
Reading the restrictions seems full of 'Should' rather than 'Must'
Say from Liverpool to Cornwall?
Not that it's the season but pubs are open in the latter could definetly see many galivanting.
Reading the restrictions seems full of 'Should' rather than 'Must'
Even in the most pessimistic view the harshest restrictions aren't going to be around forever. If it was a couple of months a year I'm sure people could cope without trading 15 years off their life
In retrospect i wonder if people would have preferred scheduled circuit breakers from the off so people could have enjoyed themselves a little every now and again.
100%. I think many assumed they may exist in some form for the rest of the year.
Learn a little, tailor them, go again, learn a little, tailor some more.
Nope.
Considering you can fly overseas from a Tier 3 region, I doubt it.
UK figures - 80 deaths, 18,804 cases. Weekend lag on reporting probably means it'll be over 20,000 cases tomorrow.
Looks like Ireland heading back to Level 5 - our very strictest level - until the end of November. Only difference from last March to May is that schools will be staying open (assuming the teachers don’t strike).
That's a bit of a fecking oversight. Doesn't surprise me.
oh yeah, dont wanna miss out on that 86th year, wooowee, it's gonna be a crazy one.
Really didn't think they were going to go all out like this. Suppose its not yet confirmed but looks to be what you've said.
Going to be a very a tough time for a lot of people mentally.
Do we think Boris will follow Wales into a 2 week national lockdown? Would be difficult to admit he was wrong and Keir Starmer was right though.