SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Phil said:
@Arruda How is the situation at the moment in Portugal and if you know, particularly Lisbon? My 84 year old Grandma has decided she needs to go home and is flying back Wednesday. I'm scared shirtless, she doesn't seem to care.
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6 confirmed cases in Lisbon area, 24 in Porto area. Mind you I expect cases in Lisbon to rise quickly, there is huge traffic between both cities, Porto just happened to be the first identified hotspot here.

Universities in Lisbon are all suspending classes, etc. as we speak.

Does your grandmother live alone? I wouldn't recommend her to travel right now if she's alone.
 
Acole9 said:
Bang on the money, best post I've seen in this thread by some stretch. You can't just stop everything. People over here won't put up with that, no one in this country likes to be told what to do.
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It's a terrible post. A shambles. For a number of people, this must feel like a deaths sentence. I wonder whether you and that poster would feel this same if you were a little older or had health issues.
 
Strange situation here in Italy

Everything closed

I can't go to France, I can't go to Switzerland, I can't go nowhere, even in Italy
 
Starkie_1 said:
Find all the ‘lost year’ and ‘write off’ comments almost as baffling as the general panic and worry that people are going to die. We all die. Some naturally, some in tragic circumstances. Some way too soon, some probably way too long.

I don’t understand people wanting to halt absolutely everything in life because they hope it’ll get better. It’s such an odd way to live your life, worried about things you have no control over.
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Self preservation... crazy right? People should just follow their instincts.
 
Arruda said:
6 confirmed cases in Lisbon area, 24 in Porto area. Mind you I expect cases in Lisbon to rise quickly, there is huge traffic between both cities, Porto just happened to be the first identified hotspot here.

Universities in Lisbon are all suspending classes, etc. as we speak.

Does your grandmother live alone? I wouldn't recommend her to travel right now if she's alone.
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It's so worrying to me, if there's a place whose healthcare system isn't going to be able to cope with it, it's Portugal.

She does live alone now, living in the middle of the Alentejo. I would say I hope it would be rare there, but there's a random school full of international school 5 minutes away and everyone seems to drive to Lisbon every day anyway. I'm really worried but she's a stubborn one.
 
Carolina Red said:
That’s what she’s doing. I’m just hoping I don’t get whatever she’s got.

To get tested in SC, she’d have to go the hospital and go into quarantine until the SC Dept of Health could get a kit up here to test her... and then if positive, they’ll keep her quarantined until she’s asymptomatic... which will be a sizable hospital bill, even though the hospital is her employer.

(If anybody needed more proof that our system is broken)
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Ffs mate best of luck, I hope everything works out okay.
 
Starkie_1 said:
Find all the ‘lost year’ and ‘write off’ comments almost as baffling as the general panic and worry that people are going to die. We all die. Some naturally, some in tragic circumstances. Some way too soon, some probably way too long.

I don’t understand people wanting to halt absolutely everything in life because they hope it’ll get better. It’s such an odd way to live your life, worried about things you have no control over.
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We do have control over this you numpty*. That's exactly what people are trying to do. Just saying "oh well, can't do nothing about it so don't bother trying" is the exact kind of thinking that will result in the outcome of this being worse.

*Yes, I know "insult the post not the poster" but that's why I used "numpty" instead of "************ **** *** ******* ****"
 
Perhaps inevitable move by Italy as the numbers just keep on coming. I think the positivity rates and death toll they had early on shows all the measures should've been done earlier. I hope if UK has a jump in these figures like 3% positive and 20-30 deaths it's time to do something big, don't wait like Italy has into double digit positive rates, treble digit deaths and quadruple digit cases

Saying on twitter that Italy has the second oldest population might sound like an explanation but it's misleading when France is at around 20% for old population and Italy 21% and both top destinations for tourists. Many other known factors like much higher concentration of people on a small land area, town city layouts and differing family culture and unknown ones.

I also wonder how many test are made at various care homes and similar facilities looking after the elderly? Having a single test doesn't mean a worker/carer/nurse etc won't pick this up later on that day or in three days time or next week. I'd hope for onsite testing and quicker results testing every few days for anyone going into these places, weekly or monthly is no good.
 
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Di Maria's angel said:
It's a terrible post. A shambles. For a number of people, this must feel like a deaths sentence. I wonder whether you and that poster would feel this same if you were a little older or had health issues.
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I can see where you're coming from but at the same time sitting at a computer screen panicking that something might happen is not good for you or anyone. There seems to be a lot of sensationalism in the media. Has anyone noticed that they haven't really interviewed anyone after they've recovered? It's because they seem to be more interested in reporting the bad than the positive.
 
::sonny:: said:
Strange situation here in Italy

Everything closed

I can't go to France, I can't go to Switzerland, I can't go nowhere, even in Italy
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Do you expect people to comply with the lockdown? I’ve read (probably in this thread) that there are no roadblocks and it just gives the authorities the option to prevent people travelling
 
Question for the Eye-ties:

Are the government shutting off access to supermarkets? I ask because it's likely that the UK will follow suit in a few weeks. I need to know whether I should be stocking up on spaghetti (which in the UK we call Pot Noodles).
 
Acole9 said:
I can see where you're coming from but at the same time sitting at a computer screen panicking that something might happen is not good for you or anyone. There seems to be a lot of sensationalism in the media. Has anyone noticed that they haven't really interviewed anyone after they've recovered? It's because they seem to be more interested in reporting the bad than the positive.
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Agreed. The media's goal is to sell a story and keep us hooked. Reporting positive stuff about the vast majority who have recovered is boring and not exciting enough to sell. Who wants to listen to folks talk about them having a cold. Hence all the drama and focus on the negative.
 
Arruda said:
I do not think that is what is happening.

End of January:
- Virus spreads from Wuhan to many places around the world, by relatively few people.
- This would explain first cases in UK, Germany, Italy etc.
- since it were few people and we already knew Wuhan/China was a hotspot, in most places these initial infections were contained, or developed very insidiously. Except Italy.

Fast forward two weeks and you're getting an explosion in Italy and a new wave of new cases all over the place.

These few cases outside Italy were fed by Otaly itself, China, Korea, etc... But this time they stuck. It were now too many people to contain.

There are many alternative explanations obviously. But to me it seems almost certain that the first few cases in the end of January were an anomaly everywhere except Italy. So to compare both spreads for your country (if in Europe) you have to start a bit later in these countries.

Basically I think if this was a race, Italy is ahead because they started earlier, not because they are running faster.
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Italy got it because it is a favoured tourist destination for Chinese. It's all spreading out from that now I think.
 
That Fauci is a huge name. But too old for this shit.
 
Acole9 said:
I can see where you're coming from but at the same time sitting at a computer screen panicking that something might happen is not good for you or anyone. There seems to be a lot of sensationalism in the media. Has anyone noticed that they haven't really interviewed anyone after they've recovered? It's because they seem to be more interested in reporting the bad than the positive.
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I've seen at least 5 separate interviews with people who have recovered in UK media. There's only so many times they can interview people with a bad cough as 'news'.

In no other tragic event is there reporting of all the cases that weren't tragic. "A man died in a crash on the M62 today but here's dave who made it from Bristol to Hull without a dent".
 
I’m useless with maths and stats, but something about the way this guy has produced these estimations seems a bit off. Still though if they’re in any way close, Iran is completely fecked. I’d be interested to hear what someone with a better instinct for the numbers thinks of this:



(also read the thread)
 
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Sucre from Prison Break is doing alright for himself.
 
Grinner said:
Italy got it because it is a favoured tourist destination for Chinese. It's all spreading out from that now I think.
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So is London, to be fair. Which is why I think it's likely the virus has been here for weeks under the radar.
 
At least the US seems to be releasing large numbers of testing kits to the states this week. It'll be interesting to see if theres a surge in confirmed cases.
 
I recall reading certain cases of reinfection. And also reading about two different strains of this going around.

Does anyone factually know anything further regarding this? And whether reinfection was of the same strain or of the second?
 
I didn't think that went too well. America might panic now. This is a shitshow of a briefing. They just said 60 years old and above are at risk and for younger people to spend time with them... Think about how that is presented and how it can be perceived. Then couple that with the President running away...
 
@van der star @11101

Shopping is permitted. Google translated because I don't speak Italian that well.

Fonti Chigi: ci si può muovere per fare la spesa


Tra i casi di necessità che consentono gli spostamenti c'è anche la spesa per generi alimentari. Lo precisano fonti di Palazzo Chigi, spiegando che dunque che la limitazione ai movimenti delle persone, estesa questa sera a tutto il territorio nazionale, non riguarda la necessita' di uscire di casa per andare a fare la spesa

Sources Chigi: you can move to shop


Among the cases of necessity that allow travel there is also the expense for food. Sources of Palazzo Chigi specify this, explaining that therefore that the limitation to the movements of people, extended this evening to the whole national territory, does not concern the need to leave the house to go shopping
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So I was on a floor in my office 2 days after someone on it apparently was sent home with symptoms and later confirmed.

So I looked at the online form on NHS 111 to determine if I need to do anything.

Effectively going through the questions that the criteria they are setting to even get in touch with 111, let alone get tested, are ridiculous.

I am now convinced that there are many cases out there which are going undetected. Even if someone has all the symptoms, you won’t be asked to change anything unless you’ve either a) been to a select list of countries (fair enough) or b) have been in close proximity to someone with it. The latter is what’s concerning me. The criteria for that are along the lines of touching bodily fluid of someone confirmed, being within 2 metres for 15+ minutes, etc...

I’m fully cognisant that they need to be really selective to not overload the healthcare system but the things that struck me most were that a) it doesn’t advise self isolate, instead implicitly stating carry on as normal (which is wrong and inconsistent messaging to what the government is saying and b) I feel the criteria they are setting is so hardline that I think the bar is too high.

Issue I have with it is the combination of the above is effectively significant increasing the risk of transmission.
 
US could be in a bad situation, they have a lot of deaths relative to the small number of cases, aside from the jokes of the health of said American I fear it could get really bad there.
 
redshaw said:
US could be in a bad situation, they have a lot of deaths relative to the small number of cases, aside from the jokes of the health of said American I fear it could get really bad there.
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It is tracking Italy right now
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So is the rest of Europe
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Global tracking compared to China
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Hopefully the charts do not hold. As for the economy, that is just going to drop off the cliff this is just a trigger
 
My boss just strongly recommended me to work from home. I guess that is it, for the next few weeks.

Unfortunately, I don't have a kitchen at home, and coding only using a shell is a nightmare, but I guess could be worse.
 
redshaw said:
US could be in a bad situation, they have a lot of deaths relative to the small number of cases, aside from the jokes of the health of said American I fear it could get really bad there.
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We are in a bad situation, but not because of that.

It is because the full swell of fear needed for containment hasn’t fully blossomed yet, and we’re headed straight into Spring Break, Easter, March Madness, etc.
 
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