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Sorry it isn't overstated.

He'd a spell of 13 PL games last season where he didn't score or assist. Then had another spell of 8 PL games where he'd a goal and an assist.

So that's 13 + 8 = 21 PL games, that's alomst 2/3 of the whole season where he'd only 1 goal + 1 assist in total!

He scored total 11 PL goals last season 7 of which came in 3 games (a brace against Chelsea & Liverpool and a hat-trick against City). So he'd 4 goals (+ 6 assists) from the rest of 35 games![/QUOTE]


Sorry but all you have done is looked at some stats. I seriously doubt you watched him all season or you wouldnt be spouting that drivel. A player can play very well and not score or have an assist.
He had a period in the middle of the season where he was awful, he got dropped and then had to earn his spot in the team again. The poor period was about 5-6 weeks worth of being awful. Eiither side of that he was easily every week within the top 2 or 3 performers for Southampton. Every week.

Being inconsistent in my book anyway is a player who has a run of 3-4 games of very good and then 2-3 of being bad and then 2-3 of very good and then 2-3 of bad etc etc. thats inconsistency. Having a poor run of form is an entirely different matter. All players at some point will have a poor run of form, even Messi the worlds best player has had bad runs of form in his career.

I watched every game he played this season and outside of the awful bit of form he showed around xmas he was consistently very good.
Try watching him play over a period of time instead of spouting facts that are simplistic and dont show the entire picture and then you might not end up being another bobble head who is parroting what other people are all repeating.
 
RedCurry said:
How am I contradicting myself? I wasn't stating anything factual, at least not intentionally. You are right about my post being a guesswork and it's not just the first bit that you highlighted. In fact both quotes you highlighted are pure guesswork. And as it often is the case with guessing, you may consider the possibility that what someone else is saying might be more correct than what you believe(or guessed).
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Because this is what you wrote,
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To me it would make a lot more sense that given Klopp's connections Mkhitaryan would be a more straight forward transfer........I don't think Klopp rates him as highly as Mane.......
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So if I read it right, you're saying Klopp doesn't want Mkhitaryan because he doesn't rate him. He rates Mane hence he's signing him, right?

Then you wrote,
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.......It might make sense that Klopp doesn't want Mkhitaryan simply because they don't have a good working relationship.
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Here you're saying Klopp doesn't want Mkhitaryan because they don't have a good working relationship.

So which one is true,
1) Even if Klopp could sign Mkhitaryan, he won't because he doesn't rate him.
Or
2) He won't sign Mkhitaryan because they struggled to work together while he's at Dortmund.

That's why I raised the contradiction thing. Id' not say the second one was guesswork because from Mkhitaryan's own words we know it wasn't all good between them. Anyway, there is no point in quibbling over petty things.:)

I'd just add one last thing, as for whether or not Klopp rates Mkhitaryan, Mkhitaryan is Klopp's most expensive signing ever!
 
Stack said:
Sorry but all you have done is looked at some stats. I seriously doubt you watched him all season or you wouldnt be spouting that drivel. A player can play very well and not score or have an assist.
He had a period in the middle of the season where he was awful, he got dropped and then had to earn his spot in the team again. The poor period was about 5-6 weeks worth of being awful. Eiither side of that he was easily every week within the top 2 or 3 performers for Southampton. Every week.

Being inconsistent in my book anyway is a player who has a run of 3-4 games of very good and then 2-3 of being bad and then 2-3 of very good and then 2-3 of bad etc etc. thats inconsistency. Having a poor run of form is an entirely different matter. All players at some point will have a poor run of form, even Messi the worlds best player has had bad runs of form in his career.

I watched every game he played this season and outside of the awful bit of form he showed around xmas he was consistently very good.
Try watching him play over a period of time instead of spouting facts that are simplistic and dont show the entire picture and then you might not end up being another bobble head who is parroting what other people are all repeating.
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Calm down! You may be a fan of his but don't expect others to be the same. I won't claim I watched every Southampton game but I did quite a lot too but perhaps I wasn't blinded by any love for Mane!

What do you mean by spouting drivel? I didn't even say anything. I gave you some stats, not something I made up!

When you play as part of the front 3/4, your game is judged by goals and assists. Your definition of inconsistency is different from mine. When one of United's front 3/4 has a mere contribution of 1 goal and 1 assist in 21 PL games, that's just not only inconstancy to me but also borderline pathetic return. Id' not want a player of such pathetic return anywhere near United's front 3/4.

And stop giving people advise on what to do and what not, especially coming from someone whose judgement is plainly blinded by his liking/disliking for a certain player!
 
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Stack said:
Sorry it isn't overstated.

Sorry but all you have done is looked at some stats. I seriously doubt you watched him all season or you wouldnt be spouting that drivel. A player can play very well and not score or have an assist.
He had a period in the middle of the season where he was awful, he got dropped and then had to earn his spot in the team again. The poor period was about 5-6 weeks worth of being awful. Eiither side of that he was easily every week within the top 2 or 3 performers for Southampton. Every week.

Being inconsistent in my book anyway is a player who has a run of 3-4 games of very good and then 2-3 of being bad and then 2-3 of very good and then 2-3 of bad etc etc. thats inconsistency. Having a poor run of form is an entirely different matter. All players at some point will have a poor run of form, even Messi the worlds best player has had bad runs of form in his career.

I watched every game he played this season and outside of the awful bit of form he showed around xmas he was consistently very good.
Try watching him play over a period of time instead of spouting facts that are simplistic and dont show the entire picture and then you might not end up being another bobble head who is parroting what other people are all repeating.
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Tbh his match ratings do make him look inconsistent
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ReDDHDevilS said:
Calm down! You may be a fan of his but don't expect others to be the same. I won't claim I watched every Southampton game but I did quite a lot too but perhaps I wasn't blinded by any love for Mane!

What do you mean by spouting drivel? I didn't even say anything. I gave you some stats, not something I made up!

When you play as part of the front 3/4, your game is judged by goals and assists. Your definition of inconsistency is different from mine. When one of United's front 3/4 has a mere contribution of 1 goal and 1 assist in 21 PL games, that's just not only inconstancy to me but also simply not United's standard.

And stop giving people advise on what to do and what not, especially coming from someone whose judgement is plainly blinded by his liking/disliking for certain player!
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Trouble is you dont understand the difference between inconsistent and out of form. When he was out of form he was bloody awful. He wasnt inconsistent. Your use of stats was daft. I play behind the strikers, a few weeks ago I scored and had an assist but played bloody badly. Last week I didnt score or have an assist but played very well. Hop off the stats websites and go play the game, you might then have half an inkling as to what the difference between out of form and inconsistent is.
I dont have any problem with people saying he is temperamental or petulant, have no problem with people complaining about his attitude when he was pushing for a move away from Southampton over xmas and when completely off the boil. Have no problem with people saying we need to aim higher.
However if you are going to make some claim at least understand the difference between inconsistent and out of form. You have either not watched him enough to see his consistency, are simply parroting what other people are spouting or you dont understand the difference between consistency and being out of form. Which is it?
 
Attila said:
Tbh his match ratings do make him look inconsistent
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Again use of stats without sensible context. Context with respect to consistency would also include how his rating in each game compared to the rest of the team for example. I am saying he was apart from his run of form where he was awful that he was consistently among the top 2-3 players each week in his Southampton team.
I would also put money on the fact you didnt watch all his games and you are making your judgement on statistics and what others are parroting. The spouting of these stats in this thread are an excellent example of just how badly used stats are by people. Its the go to for people who didnt watch games.
 
Stack said:
Trouble is you dont understand the difference between inconsistent and out of form. When he was out of form he was bloody awful. He wasnt inconsistent. Your use of stats was daft. I play behind the strikers, a few weeks ago I scored and had an assist but played bloody badly. Last week I didnt score or have an assist but played very well. Hop off the stats websites and go play the game, you might then have half an inkling as to what the difference between out of form and inconsistent is.
I dont have any problem with people saying he is temperamental or petulant, have no problem with people complaining about his attitude when he was pushing for a move away from Southampton over xmas and when completely off the boil. Have no problem with people saying we need to aim higher.
However if you are going to make some claim at least understand the difference between inconsistent and out of form. You have either not watched him enough to see his consistency, are simply parroting what other people are spouting or you dont understand the difference between consistency and being out of form. Which is it?
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:lol:
 
Stack said:
Trouble is you dont understand the difference between inconsistent and out of form. When he was out of form he was bloody awful. He wasnt inconsistent. Your use of stats was daft. I play behind the strikers, a few weeks ago I scored and had an assist but played bloody badly. Last week I didnt score or have an assist but played very well. Hop off the stats websites and go play the game, you might then have half an inkling as to what the difference between out of form and inconsistent is.
I dont have any problem with people saying he is temperamental or petulant, have no problem with people complaining about his attitude when he was pushing for a move away from Southampton over xmas and when completely off the boil. Have no problem with people saying we need to aim higher.
However if you are going to make some claim at least understand the difference between inconsistent and out of form. You have either not watched him enough to see his consistency, are simply parroting what other people are spouting or you dont understand the difference between consistency and being out of form. Which is it?
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21 games 1 goal and 1 assist in 2 separate spells is out of form? Scoring over 50% of your total goals in 3 (out of 38 games) games when you play as part of the front 3/4 is out of form ? What's next?
I don't care where you play, it makes no difference to me. It doesn't give any extra weight to your opinion either.
Again stop patronizing! Next time before you do so, think twice and perhaps look whether it's you who needs a better understanding on the difference between an out of form player and an inconsistent player.

Edit: A United fan has no need to watch every single Southampton game nor does he've the time to do so. Apart from watching United' game, there are plenty of games to watch every week. Forget about time which by the way is a big constraint for not just me but for the most, why I or any United fan for that matter would watch every single Southampton game?
 
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Stack said:
Again use of stats without sensible context. Context with respect to consistency would also include how his rating in each game compared to the rest of the team for example. I am saying he was apart from his run of form where he was awful that he was consistently among the top 2-3 players each week in his Southampton team.
I would also put money on the fact you didnt watch all his games and you are making your judgement on statistics and what others are parroting. The spouting of these stats in this thread are an excellent example of just how badly used stats are by people. Its the go to for people who didnt watch games.
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Like you, other people also have opinions. That's what they are, opinions. Shooting them down saying words like "drivel", "you don't understand" etc. doesn't make you look intelligent.
 
He fits Klopp's system. He plays a counter attacking system as well like he did at Dortmund. I think he would have been a good fit here as well but obviously we have gone with other options. Either way if it works out then well and good. Hopefully it does.
 
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I think he'll do well. Quick, strong and a goal threat. Miles better than anyone they already have
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This. The guy is really good. Not one to fluff his chances like lallana and benteke. A complete upgrade on any attacker they have other than sturridge. One can even argue they don't need sturridge with this guy. Coutinho and him should have fun next season.

It's one of those transfers that I would have had mixed feeling if he came here because he isn't worldclass. However going to a direct rival is just a pain in the ass given he will score against us.
 
Some of the cafe saying he's inconsistent and I have to agree. I'm not really into looking at stats as they can be misleading but mane to me looks like he can score goals and he's quick, which I like and think we need.

Is he world class? No chance

Is he an improvement on what we have? I think so.

Looks to me like he enjoys a sulk but on the other hand Klopp has liked him since his bvb days and if he wants him then I'm cool with that.

30mil is a good deal to me if you look at Troy deeny for 25mil.

As a fan I'm a little underwhelmed by our signings but pool fans need to remember klopp has never signed top players, he makes them. Still I little frustrating though.
 
bio202 said:
Some of the cafe saying he's inconsistent and I have to agree. I'm not really into looking at stats as they can be misleading but mane to me looks like he can score goals and he's quick, which I like and think we need.

Is he world class? No chance

Is he an improvement on what we have? I think so.

Looks to me like he enjoys a sulk but on the other hand Klopp has liked him since his bvb days and if he wants him then I'm cool with that.

30mil is a good deal to me if you look at Troy deeny for 25mil.

As a fan I'm a little underwhelmed by our signings but pool fans need to remember klopp has never signed top players, he makes them. Still I little frustrating though.
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I think he's a very good signing to help get you guys competing for top 4. He'd gel very well with Sturrdige and Coutinho I'm sure.
 
Even though Raheem Sterling didn't exactly set the world alight at City last season, I really thought we missed his pace in quite a few games. This Mane lad has pace to burn, so hopefully it'll give us a bit more strength in that area. The way I see it, if his speed can cause panic & disruption in the opposition ranks, then his goals & assists will be a bonus.
 
Southampton fans must be feeling dreadful. They just can't seem to catch a break right now. Another manager gone, Wanyama gone, Mane gone, and it's not even July yet. If they again manage to secure a top 10 finish with the net spend they've had the last 3 years then it's another great achievement.
 
Gbenger said:
Similar thoughts were expressed when Liverpool signed Clyne and we got Darmian. We all know how that ended. This might end up the same way or even worse regards we getting Mikhitaryan and Liverpool Mane and i'll really be happy to be proven wrong but people on this thread are getting too ahead of themselves.
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This. He scored more PL goals than any of our players over the last 2 seasons.
 
Not bothered at all, if he turns out to be great for them then some club will take him away from Liverpool anyway.
 
Werder Herzog said:
Will be a decent signing for them, although be interesting to see who he nudges out. Lallana?
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Yes, could well be. I think Klopp likes lallana but his finishing is poor.
I see lallana, Benteke and Henderson being our "big name" leavers this season. (Notice the small b in big" :eek:
 
I think this will be a good fit for Klopp's system. Unfortunately.
 
Saw this on Southampton's reddit forum, love people who can find positives in every situation;

He was my favourite player so I feel a bit gutted. On the bright side, we are running out of players people want to sign.
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Very good signing for Liverpool. He is very quick and suits Klopp style.

Wanted him very much last season, he is quick, very strong physically, goal threat and can play as winger. Regarding the fee, it's a good deal imo for both parties. With new tv deal it's very hard to sign players for lower fee especially from top half table teams.
 
Third biggest signing in Liverpool FC history behind Andy Caroll and Christian Benteke.

That's some illustrious company he's in. Let's hope Mane lives up to the great things done by their other big signings. :D
 
Sadly think its a great signing for pool, would have taken him before Mkhitaryan, has pace, scores goals and gets assists, premiership experience, performs well in big games, what will he be 23/24 so still a few years before he hits his peak as well.
 
They are building a good attack. Still need quality further back though.
 
Murray3007 said:
Sadly think its a great signing for pool, would have taken him before Mkhitaryan, has pace, scores goals and gets assists, premiership experience, performs well in big games, what will he be 23/24 so still a few years before he hits his peak as well.
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Really? Henrikh is a much better player, who'd be a really really great signing for us, there's no way I'd prefer Mane over a player like him.
 
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