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Treble said:
But he isn't going to play as a No 10, he's more an upgrade on Lallana who is a weak link by all accounts.
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Lallana was actually pretty good under Klopp for the second half of the season, wasn't he?

Agree that he is an upgrade on Lallana, but I'd argue they need upgrades for Moreno, Skrtel, Mignolet, Henderson, Allen, Benteke/Origi etc. far, far more than they need one for Lallana.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Lallana was actually pretty good under Klopp for the second half of the season, wasn't he?

Agree that he is an upgrade on Lallana, but I'd argue they need upgrades for Moreno, Skrtel, Mignolet, Henderson, Allen, Benteke/Origi etc. far, far more than they need one for Lallana.
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Lallana was Lallana just with added intensity and effort. When it comes to the final ball, he's a kitten.

We've signed replacements for a number of those players. what is your point? Don't buy anyone unless everything else has been fixed first?
 
Massive Spanner said:
Bizarre, Mkh scored almost twice as many goals as Mane last season, how's he not a better finisher?

PL proven is such a silly myth, too. Were Aguero, Silva, De Bruyne, Hazard, Willian, Toure, Kante, Mahrez PL proven? Nope.
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Mkhitaryan scored 18 goals for his club and Mane scored 15. Mkhitaryan played over 500-1000 more minutes(I can get you exact figure if you want) than Mane and he plays for second biggest team in Germany with quality all around him while his team dominates many games. Mane for many games is running at defenses all on his own for last 15 minutes.

PL proven is not really a myth as much as its stated on these boards. Adjusting to a new country, climate and most importantly the types of teams he will face are all real things. For every Aguero there is a Soldado and for every Hazard there is a Di Maria.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Lallana was actually pretty good under Klopp for the second half of the season, wasn't he?

Agree that he is an upgrade on Lallana, but I'd argue they need upgrades for Moreno, Skrtel, Mignolet, Henderson, Allen, Benteke/Origi etc. far, far more than they need one for Lallana.
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Lallana was a good worker bee under Klopp but had no impact where it mattered: goals. He's definitely Lallana's replacement first and foremost but I wouldn't be surprised if he replaces Coutinho in the centre either.

As for the other players you mention I totally agree we need replacements for them:

Mig -> Karius
Moreno -> Gomez (or hopefully Hector)
Skrtel -> Matip
Henderson -> Grujic (or hopefully Dahoud)
Benteke -> Ings
Origi - eh? What's wrong with him? He'll be devastating now he's recovered from his almost season long injury
 
RedCurry said:
I swear when I went to bed they were the same price. They are not anymore according to Sky. At least makes me feel a little better.
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I've never understood this attitude when it comes to transfers.

Now I'd honestly have preferred Mané but Mkhit is a good player too so I'm not too disappointed but a few million difference in reported figures, which are more than likely conditional on success or appearances literally has no effect on how I'm feeling.
 
If you want a good laugh read the comments on the medical tweet from sky sports. Those Liverpool fans are nuts, apparently Sane is better than Martial :lol:
 
B20 said:
Lallana was Lallana just with added intensity and effort. When it comes to the final ball, he's a kitten.

We've signed replacements for a number of those players. what is your point? Don't buy anyone unless everything else has been fixed first?
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So I have come to the conclusion Lallana is the Khedira of England. Every fan thinks he sucks and every coach thinks he´s an irreplaceable part of the team. :lol:
 
ManUchosenbosslvg said:
I've never understood this attitude when it comes to transfers.

Now I'd honestly have preferred Mané but Mkhit is a good player too so I'm not too disappointed but a few million difference in reported figures, which are more than likely conditional on success or appearances literally has no effect on how I'm feeling.
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The figures I read on Sky are 26.3m for Mkhitaryan and 34m rising to 36m for Mane. I didn't read anything about add-ons. So that would make Mane about 30%-40% more expensive than Mkhi.

By your own admission you would prefer Mane and yet you wouldn't care if we paid same amount for another player you don't think is as good while we didn't even try for a player you and I both think is slightly better?

I do care about it, we are a rich club but our transfers should represent fair value. But I understand if people don't care about it since it's not their money.
 
RedCurry said:
Mkhitaryan scored 18 goals for his club and Mane scored 15. Mkhitaryan played over 500-1000 more minutes(I can get you exact figure if you want) than Mane and he plays for second biggest team in Germany with quality all around him while his team dominates many games. Mane for many games is running at defenses all on his own for last 15 minutes.

PL proven is not really a myth as much as its stated on these boards. Adjusting to a new country, climate and most importantly the types of teams he will face are all real things. For every Aguero there is a Soldado and for every Hazard there is a Di Maria.
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Fair enough on the goal stats, I was reading Internationals into it.

You can easily counter the second part though. For every Valencia there's a Young, for every Smalling there's a Phil Jones etc. PL proven doesn't necessarily mean they'll be a success. If anything PL players cost more than they're worth because clubs are so rich and because they have the 'PL Proven' tag.

Fact is most great footballers in the PL the latest decade have come from outside the PL.
 
I wish we got Mane - he'd be a beast down the Right wing. Mhkytiran can play as a number 10 and Martial wide left. Can't have everything though, and I'm more than content with our business so far.
 
B20 said:
Lallana was Lallana just with added intensity and effort. When it comes to the final ball, he's a kitten.

We've signed replacements for a number of those players. what is your point? Don't buy anyone unless everything else has been fixed first?
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Have you? What transfers am I not hearing about? I know you got another goalie.

I'm saying it's a huge chunk of your transfer budget when you should have other priorities, I thought that was obvious. If you still get the players you need in the other positions it'll be a moot point but Liverpool in the last 5-6 years have had a tendency to go for these 'attractive' attacking midfield/wing players and ignore other key areas or under invest in them in comparison.

FWIW I think Mane will be a very good player for Liverpool, but if you don't get the players in in most important positions it'll look like a strange one.
 
VP89 said:
I wish we got Mane - he'd be a beast down the Right wing. Mhkytiran can play as a number 10 and Martial wide left. Can't have everything though, and I'm more than content with our business so far.
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Feck that would be brilliant. All that with Ibra up front :drool:
 
According to Saints fans, Telegraph tends to be spot on when it comes to be deals info as they feed the info directly to wallace/telegraph.

 
Even if it is 40m GBP, I can't think of a winger they could have got for less that would be expected to make a bigger impact. With no European football, their targets are very bleak.
 
That's a big chunk of Liverpool's transfer budget gone. I wonder who else they plan to sign this summer.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
That's a big chunk of Liverpool's transfer budget gone. I wonder who else they plan to sign this summer.
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They´ll still sell Benteke I guess. Not like they paid much for their other acquisitions.
 
That Telegraph article seems to suggest it'll only go as high as £38m if they finish in the Champions League places next season and will also depend on their success in the competition the following season. So not likely at all.
 
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Crazy money. I don't think he'll ever be good enough to justify that fee. It's in the Ozil/Mata territory.

Honestly though he's probably the best we could manage given the no European football.
 
That is if they qualify and progress in the CL.. so that isnt happening..
It'll be around 36m going by that article.
 
It's expensive I guess but given it's a transfer between PL clubs, especially of similar stature, it's not all that shocking, and I think he'll turn out to be a very good signing for them, so they won't mind the expense.

Southampton must absolutely love doing business with them though!
 
VP89 said:
Even if it is 40m GBP, I can't think of a winger they could have got for less that would be expected to make a bigger impact. With no European football, their targets are very bleak.
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Even with European football, really. Goalscoring winger with pace wanted. Who is out there like that even remotely like to be on the move this summer?
 
Rooney in Paris said:
It's expensive I guess but given it's a transfer between PL clubs, especially of similar stature, it's not all that shocking, and I think he'll turn out to be a very good signing for them, so they won't mind the expense.

Southampton must absolutely love doing business with them though!
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Schneirdelin going to Everton will complete a Southampton hamlet - he will enjoy Heswall.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Have you? What transfers am I not hearing about? I know you got another goalie.
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Karius, Matip, Grujic.

Leftback is the only real weak point left to be addressed.

We badly needed a winger with pace and goals in him. All we have are strikers and 10s.

A midfielder would be nice, but we have good-but-not-great options there already and only someone who could actually be a star would be worth going for.
 
So in about 3 seasons, Southampton have lost Mane, Wanyama, Schneiderlin, Clyne, Lallana, Lambert, Shaw, Lovren, Pochettino and Koeman. Yet they still climb higher and higher in the table. Pretty amazing, but I think this season will be the season it will start to fall apart for them. I can't see them finding another quality manager.
 
royboy16 said:
Were we ever interested in him or was Mkhitaryan plan B if we failed to get him ?
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Considering the number of times Mourinho was pictured scouting Micky, I think he was our first choice.

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I dont know about the interest in Mane though.
 
Good signing for the dippers. He will provide pace, width strength and goals. If (big if) they can keep Sturridge fit, they will have good attackers there with Coutinho and Firmino
 
royboy16 said:
Were we ever interested in him or was Mkhitaryan plan B if we failed to get him ?
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Mkhitaryan is better than Mane so he definitely was plan B. Plus we would beat Liverpool to signing Mane if we wanted him I think
 
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