Sadio Mane | LFC Player

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@Obiorahking_ r I'm not doing one of those post splitting arguments about a player I don't give two shits about. Eye test comes from watching him play, how many times he popped up on the right vs the actual effective moments in the game are two different things, the City hat-trick being a prime example as Tadic was on the right when he scored it. His effectiveness came from attacking in central areas, not cutting in off the RW and slipping in a striker or hitting a shot because his left foot is not very good. This guy is not worth £30M and lacks the professionalism and all round talent to be a top player IMO.

Not sure who you have been watching.

I have watched nearly all of Southamptons EPL games this season just to watch him. He can cross with either foot and 1s 100 times more accurately than Young. He weights his passes really nicely and is a really tidy dribbler. He had a poor patch midway through the season and found himself on the bench for a while. To me he looks to be pissed off when he screws something up rather than being petulant with team mates. However all the professional body language experts in here can correct me on that one. He is easily one of Southamptons more effective players. He cuts in off the right to shoot when the option is a good one or crosses from the right. He also crosses from the left if played out there quite happily. He has a nice eye for defence splitting passes, often dissecting defenders with balls played in between them and weighted for strikers to run on two. Happy to run at players or play one touch football. He has quick feet, is quick off the mark and can ride a tackle. Close control dribbling at speed is always handy. Not sure how you can miss any of this.

Here is a reminder

 

[United Pro]

That's the thing though for me, he handled both situations like a spoiled brat and I'd rather not bring that type of mentality into the club, we already did it with Rojo, another waste of money IMO. As for alternative if Mkhitariyan doesn't happen, I think I listed a few above and I'd add Joao Mario to that group, but I'd honestly rather Lingard than dropping such a big amount on Mane.

Joao Mario will cost more than Mane. He's also for me more of a CM than a winger and I feel that we need pace on the wings and Mario is slower than Lingard.

 

[prath92]

Not sure who you have been watching.

I have watched nearly all of Southamptons EPL games this season just to watch him. He can cross with either foot and 1s 100 times more accurately than Young. He weights his passes really nicely and is a really tidy dribbler. He had a poor patch midway through the season and found himself on the bench for a while. To me he looks to be pissed off when he screws something up rather than being petulant with team mates. However all the professional body language experts in here can correct me on that one. He is easily one of Southamptons more effective players. He cuts in off the right to shoot when the option is a good one or crosses from the right. He also crosses from the left if played out there quite happily. He has a nice eye for defence splitting passes, often dissecting defenders with balls played in between them and weighted for strikers to run on two. Happy to run at players or play one touch football. He has quick feet, is quick off the mark and can ride a tackle. Close control dribbling at speed is always handy. Not sure how you can miss any of this.

Here is a reminder

He has all those things but he is highly inconsistent. He was worse than Rooney in southamptons first half of the season. For the reported fee he is hardly a must buy.

 

[Obiorahking_]

@Obiorahking_ r I'm not doing one of those post splitting arguments about a player I don't give two shits about. Eye test comes from watching him play, how many times he popped up on the right vs the actual effective moments in the game are two different things, the City hat-trick being a prime example as Tadic was on the right when he scored it. His effectiveness came from attacking in central areas, not cutting in off the RW and slipping in a striker or hitting a shot because his left foot is not very good. This guy is not worth £30M and lacks the professionalism and all round talent to be a top player IMO.

Youre whole argument is just a load of made up fallacys about his game. How many times have you even watched him play?

This is a sample of the type of player we would be getting
-Explosive, very quick burst of speed--a very helpfull neccesity in a counter attacking team
-Fantastic passer--He has great vision and is capable of picking out any type of pass
-Great at making runs and picking in the pockets of space in between CBs--something that can only improve us and make us more dangerous
-Direct
The man is just 24 years old. It is way too soon to label him a squad player and he would vastly improve our squad imo.

 

[Obiorahking_]

He has all those things but he is highly inconsistent. He was worse than Rooney in southamptons first half of the season. For the reported fee he is hardly a must buy.

Because Southampton kept on trying to force him as an AMC, which he is clearly ineffective at. As a RW he has put in consistent performances week in week out for the most part.

 

[Nighteyes]

Young is a hustle guy who can provide a decent offensive threat through isolation play in an effort to put in a good cross.

Depay is:
-a great striker of the ball with a quiet incredible longshot - Nope.
-good at picking out passes in the final third - Nope.
-capable of making great runs to put himself into good positions to score - Nope.
-Has speed and skill to his game - Nope.

His poor decision making and failure to adjust to the BPL in 1 season got the better of him. However, his upside is high and he should be given more than 1 season to prove himself.

Not sure what player you are talking about but it certainly ain't Depay.

Young is quite simply the better player. And a much better dribbler at that.

 

[Obiorahking_]

Not sure what player you are talking about but it certainly ain't Depay.

Young is quite simply the better player. And a much better dribbler at that.

Young is the better player because he has simply outperformed him this season. However, Depay has displayed all of these qualities playing for PSV and Spain and even showed them during his dire season here. You really mean to tell me you have never seen any of those abilities?

By Golly, I think top teams were incredibly stupid for going after him in the first place. Get real.

 

[Devil may care]

Not sure who you have been watching.

I have watched nearly all of Southamptons EPL games this season just to watch him. He can cross with either foot and 1s 100 times more accurately than Young. He weights his passes really nicely and is a really tidy dribbler. He had a poor patch midway through the season and found himself on the bench for a while. To me he looks to be pissed off when he screws something up rather than being petulant with team mates. However all the professional body language experts in here can correct me on that one. He is easily one of Southamptons more effective players. He cuts in off the right to shoot when the option is a good one or crosses from the right. He also crosses from the left if played out there quite happily. He has a nice eye for defence splitting passes, often dissecting defenders with balls played in between them and weighted for strikers to run on two. Happy to run at players or play one touch football. He has quick feet, is quick off the mark and can ride a tackle. Close control dribbling at speed is always handy. Not sure how you can miss any of this.

Here is a reminder

Youre whole argument is just a load of made up fallacys about his game. How many times have you even watched him play?

This is a sample of the type of player we would be getting
-Explosive, very quick burst of speed--a very helpfull neccesity in a counter attacking team
-Fantastic passer--He has great vision and is capable of picking out any type of pass
-Great at making runs and picking in the pockets of space in between CBs--something that can only improve us and make us more dangerous
-Direct
The man is just 24 years old. It is way too soon to label him a squad player and he would vastly improve our squad imo.

It's not a fallacy, putting a Youtube video up as part of a debate is pointless, you can put one up of Walcott's best moments and it wouldn't negate that he's an erratic, run of the mill player with flashes of form and nothing more than that, Mane is the same, you could stick a YT vid of Bolasie up and make the same arguments. Thankfully it looks like the Scouse will buy him and much like Firmino it's not something we'll regret. If we want to get back on course we need to be getting better players than Mane with better attitudes.

 

[Nighteyes]

Young is the better player because he has simply outperformed him this season. However, Depay has displayed all of these qualities playing for PSV and Spain and even showed them during his dire season here. You really mean to tell me you have never seen any of those abilities?

By Golly, I think top teams were incredibly stupid for going after him in the first place. Get real.

Exclude the games against the midgets and the brugge and you're looking at one of the worst full seasons for any United winger. He was beyond hopeless. Depay has done nothing in his career to be considered better than Young. You need to get real I'm afraid. Will he become better than Young? Maybe but I doubt it. Even if he eventually does, I'd rather not wait for years until he reaches the potential of Ashley Young.

 

[Obiorahking_]

Exclude the games against the midgets and the brugge and you're looking at one of the worst full seasons for any United winger. He was beyond hopeless. Depay has done nothing in his career to be considered better than Young. You need to get real I'm afraid. Will he become better than Young? Maybe but I doubt it. Even if he eventually does, I'd rather not wait for years until he reaches the potential of Ashley Young.

Of course Ashley young is better than him but he has potential to be twice the player that Ashley Young is. There is a reason that he was highly rated by scouts and his performances prior to United have proven why. He has a great skillset and can become very good if we give him the opportunity to prove it. I don't know why this is such a hard concept for you to comprehend. This is the deal with every single young starlet.

 

[Obiorahking_]

It's not a fallacy, putting a Youtube video up as part of a debate is pointless, you can put one up of Walcott's best moments and it wouldn't negate that he's an erratic, run of the mill player with flashes of form and nothing more than that, Mane is the same, you could stick a YT vid of Bolasie up and make the same arguments. Thankfully it looks like the Scouse will buy him and much like Firmino it's not something we'll regret. If we want to get back on course we need to be getting better players than Mane with better attitudes.

Wow trying to discredit the effectivness of a youtube video--despite the fact that this is an individual full game tape against a top team--Instead of refuting the main idea of the argument=I don't care to defend my own opinion or I am not open to debate. Which is fine, if you don't want to offer a coherent argument to back up your opinion then we can simply end this now.

Thankfully it looks like the Scouse will buy him and much like Firmino it's not something we'll regret.

Is this some sort of fecking joke, or are you just being stupid?

 

[Vanya]

I can't agree less with the people who think Mane wont be a good buy.

If the question is regarding attitude then many good players have shown a bad attitude or bad judgement especially when clubs get in the way of their ambitions as a player. One of them is the captain of United.

One needs to focus on what he can bring to the table if he's signed. If people have watched him against the top teams in the league they will realize that this player has always made some impact on the game. He's scored goals consistently for two seasons and we clearly wanted him last summer so obviously there something there which the scouts have seen worth investing in.

Yes he operates on the wing but likes to move in centrally, that's exactly what makes him dangerous and a goal threat. Why is that considered a negative?

 

[Nighteyes]

Of course Ashley young is better than him but he has potential to be twice the player that Ashley Young is. There is a reason that he was highly rated by scouts and his performances prior to United have proven why. He has a great skillset and can become very good if we give him the opportunity to prove it. I don't know why this is such a hard concept for you to comprehend. This is the deal with every single young starlet.

No, he doesn't. He'll do very well to reach the level Young did at his peak. I thought Young was pretty much his level even before we signed him and I have seen nothing to change my mind.

 

[Obiorahking_]

No, he doesn't. He'll do very well to reach the level Young did at his peak. I thought Young was pretty much his level even before we signed him and I have seen nothing to change my mind.

Ok, me and you clearly view him very differently. No point in going any further.

 

[Devil may care]

Wow trying to discredit the effectivness of a youtube video--despite the fact that this is an individual full game tape against a top team--Instead of refuting the main idea of the argument=I don't care to defend my own opinion or I am not open to debate. Which is fine, if you don't want to offer a coherent argument to back up your opinion then we can simply end this now.

Defend my opinion? Unless we are going to sit and watch each match he played then I don't see how we are going to come to any agreement because I have said numerous times that he has games here and there where he performs well, I even said he has one good game for every five where he does nothing, so yes, trying to use a YT vid to back up an argument is pointless, it doesn't address anything I said regarding his overall performance throughout the season.

Is this some sort of fecking joke, or are you just being stupid?

You seem to want to get personal which I don't, but no it isn't a joke, I couldn't care a less if he Mane went to Liverpool nor am I bothered that they have Firmino.

 

[Obiorahking_]

Defend my opinion? Unless we are going to sit and watch each match he played then I don't see how we are going to come to any agreement because I have said numerous times that he has games here and there where he performs well, I even said he has one good game for every five where he does nothing, so yes, trying to use a YT vid to back up an argument is pointless, it doesn't address anything I said regarding his overall performance throughout the season.



You seem to want to get personal which I don't, but no it isn't a joke, I couldn't care a less if he Mane went to Liverpool nor am I bothered that they have Firmino.

I have rebuttled every single one of them.
You say he playes his best on the right, stats and the eye test both refute that and the youtube video of him against City displays him coming off right the most.

You say he is too inconsistent, well that is because Southampton keep on trying to force him as an AMC which he is clearly not as effective from unless he is coming off the right. If we are judging him based on his performances from RW then he has put in very consistent performances from right hand side for the most part.

Firmino turned out to be a very good player for Liverpool who would have provided a great attacking option for us this season. Not to mention he just turned 24 and is only going to get better.

 

[m1y2]

would take him over those felipe andersons and gaitans. If Mane was Brazilian playing in different league people would rave more about him, on the contrary he's premier league proven, very athletic type with fantastic turn of pace and balance, can play any attacking position and works hard for the team, ideal mourinho player, wouldn't cost fortune, just get him!

 

[Devil may care]

I have rebuttled every single one of them.
You say he playes his best on the right, stats and the eye test both refute that and the youtube video of him against City displays him coming off right the most.

You say he is too inconsistent, well that is because Southampton keep on trying to force him as an AMC which he is clearly not as effective from unless he is coming off the right. If we are judging him based on his performances from RW then he has put in very consistent performances from right hand side for the most part.

Firmino turned out to be a very good player for Liverpool who would have provided a great attacking option for us this season. Not to mention he just turned 24 and is only going to get better.

You didn't rebut them, you showed a stat of where his starting position across the course of a season was and a video in which all of the goals have nothing to do with playing as RW, especially when Tadic is clearly the one operating from the flank. I said he's inconsistent and your so called rebuttal for that is to blame the manager, despite the fact Southampton play with a very fluid attacking system that doesn't force the attackers into rigid roles.

Firmino is ok, never said he wasn't, but I am not bothered that they have him and we don't, he's not in that bracket of talent where I sit and wish he was a United player, same goes for Mane.

 

[vidic blood & sand]

No thanks.

 

[M16Red]

would take him over those felipe andersons and gaitans. If Mane was Brazilian playing in different league people would rave more about him, on the contrary he's premier league proven, very athletic type with fantastic turn of pace and balance, can play any attacking position and works hard for the team, ideal mourinho player, wouldn't cost fortune, just get him!

@Devil may care

This, he already plays in the EPL and is very, very dangerous on the ball running at defenders. Perfect for our right hand side and also you can never tell how players will bed in to the EPL. People were saying that depay was the best young player in Europe, yet in the EPL he doesn't get a look-in.

@Akash

Young needs to leave, we need players who can take on the defenders and commit players. Young is on about 120K a week and lets face it not very good.

 

[7even]

I think it's fair to assume that almost every team in the bottom half of the table will try to adapt to the formula that worked for Leicester last season. Some of them already do this but nest season we will see even more of this defensive approach. If we don't have a striker who can outmuscle their center backs, wide players who have the ability to beat their full backs or offensive midfielders who can find these killer passes our results from last season will continue. Only one capable player of winning one on ones isn't enough. These is why we need more pacy wingers, strong strikers and creative midfielders to over come this challange.

Sadio Mané or Riyhad Marhez are exactly the type of wingers that we need.Both proven against the best defenders in the league and both producing numbers of goals and assist.

See the appointment of Zlatan and a new right winger as a package when the fee for both of them is what counts. Zlatan for free means room for going for the best available. As far as I can see Marhez is our first choice but Mané isn't far off. His accleration and pace is world class. His ball control and vision to deliver thru passes is also very very good. The kid scores goals and set up others, what more to ask for?

Going to a giant club like United means two things. Extremely high expectations and loads of pressure on his shoulders. Sink or swim. This is why Zlatan is a must. He will take the spot light and give guys like Mané/Marhez time to settle. He will protect them from outside critisism, he will demand them to be ultra pros. I guy like Mané don't stand a chance against a seasoned pro like Zlatan, who will eat him alive if he starts to feck around or sulk when things goes against him. Think about Karate Kid and you get the picture ;-)

United and Olf Trafford is the prefect arena for players like Mané. With his pace and wild style he will set the supporters on fire and hopefully create I magic atmosphere that the whole team can benefit from.

Off course he's on a radar, everything else would be criminal from our manager and scouts.

 

[3KDré]

I think it's fair to assume that almost every team in the bottom half of the table will try to adapt to the formula that worked for Leicester last season. Some of them already do this but nest season we will see even more of this defensive approach. If we don't have a striker who can outmuscle their center backs, wide players who have the ability to beat their full backs or offensive midfielders who can find these killer passes our results from last season will continue. Only one capable player of winning one on ones isn't enough. These is why we need more pacy wingers, strong strikers and creative midfielders to over come this challange.

Sadio Mané or Riyhad Marhez are exactly the type of wingers that we need.Both proven against the best defenders in the league and both producing numbers of goals and assist.

See the appointment of Zlatan and a new right winger as a package when the fee for both of them is what counts. Zlatan for free means room for going for the best available. As far as I can see Marhez is our first choice but Mané isn't far off. His accleration and pace is world class. His ball control and vision to deliver thru passes is also very very good. The kid scores goals and set up others, what more to ask for?

Going to a giant club like United means two things. Extremely high expectations and loads of pressure on his shoulders. Sink or swim. This is why Zlatan is a must. He will take the spot light and give guys like Mané/Marhez time to settle. He will protect them from outside critisism, he will demand them to be ultra pros. I guy like Mané don't stand a chance against a seasoned pro like Zlatan, who will eat him alive if he starts to feck around or sulk when things goes against him. Think about Karate Kid and you get the picture ;-)

United and Olf Trafford is the prefect arena for players like Mané. With his pace and wild style he will set the supporters on fire and hopefully create I magic atmosphere that the whole team can benefit from.

Off course he's on a radar, everything else would be criminal from our manager and scouts.

Exactly the problem. He isn't a winger, his best position is #10. Surely if we are going to spend loads of money on a winger we should actually buy someone who plays best on the wing?

 

[Vanya]

Exactly the problem. He isn't a winger, his best position is #10. Surely if we are going to spend loads of money on a winger we should actually buy someone who plays best on the wing?

IMO that's not correct. His heatmaps show that when played as a winger, he spends as much time in the center as he does on the wing.

I feel Mane can not only play as a winger but also as a wide forward. That's exactly the profile of player we need especially if we end up signing Ibra. Ibra occupies central areas almoat like a false 9. He requires runners from midfield and in forward positions. I think Mane would suit this style even more than Mahrez.

 

[Devil may care]

@Devil may care

This, he already plays in the EPL and is very, very dangerous on the ball running at defenders. Perfect for our right hand side and also you can never tell how players will bed in to the EPL. People were saying that depay was the best young player in Europe, yet in the EPL he doesn't get a look-in.

We've bought so called PL proven players before and that hasn't always worked out, and he just isn't nearly good enough if our goal is to stop being a 4th place team and become PL challengers and eventually CL contenders, he's average. If we are going to get fleeced by buying a PL player then we should go for Mahrez or Payet who are much better players.

 

[Klopper76]

It's starting to sound like we're going to end up signing him for somewhere between £20-£30 million. I'm not sold on him personally given his inconsistency.

 

[Fer]

@Devil may care

This, he already plays in the EPL and is very, very dangerous on the ball running at defenders. Perfect for our right hand side and also you can never tell how players will bed in to the EPL. People were saying that depay was the best young player in Europe, yet in the EPL he doesn't get a look-in.

@Akash

Young needs to leave, we need players who can take on the defenders and commit players. Young is on about 120K a week and lets face it not very good.

I agree about Young, however, some reports have mentioned that Young has future under Jose Mourinho. I wouldn't be surprised if this is true because he track back a lot and he has pace on counter. So I guess he would be a decent cover.

About Mane, I understand @Devil may care point of view. Mane is not a bad player, but we should aim higher if we want to compete versus Barcelona, Madrid, Bayern, and even City, Juventus, PSG, among others.

IMO Mane is better through the centre (CAM/SS), but according to WhoScored he has had better stats on the right wing:

WhoScored.com claim he only played on the right nine times but do at least agree that he had his best form there—with his player rating averaging 8.08 on the right, compared to 6.84 when played in the centre.

Even if Mane improves our squad, there are some poor attitude problems. Koeman said: “My message to Sadio two days ago in training was that I didn’t think he was really focused and concentrated,” The problem would be if this kind of behavior affect the teammates/fans/club.

So it's okay if we sign him, but he shouldn't be our Plan A. Talking about the right wingers of the league, Mahrez should be considered as first option. He was the best in that position last season, and he would be a good choice.

For me, it's okay if our new winger is not from the league. Memphis has been a disappointment (I hope he improves) but Martial is totally the opposite. There are also quality wingers outside the league... Unfortunately, those players are heading to other clubs. For example: Dembele, Sane, Coman, Mkhitaryan, etc.

We should sign the best available winger and I think that player is not Mane. But, If the top players have different destination, then Mane would be a decent signing to improve our attack.

 

[M16Red]

We've bought so called PL proven players before and that hasn't always worked out, and he just isn't nearly good enough if our goal is to stop being a 4th place team and become PL challengers and eventually CL contenders, he's average. If we are going to get fleeced by buying a PL player then we should go for Mahrez or Payet who are much better players.

By that, do you mean Mata, Young and Valencia?

People have been talking about mane not being a winger @TitusCrumble. well is Mata a right winger?, is Valencia right back?, is Young a froward, Left wing back, right winger, in-side left forward?

Mahrez is the top choice, but Mane doesn't be ruled out because hes a very good player, better RW than Young, Mata and Deplay.

 

[M16Red]

It's starting to sound like we're going to end up signing him for somewhere between £20-£30 million. I'm not sold on him personally given his inconsistency.

Do you have a winger in your squad? Milner is shocking as a winger..

 

[Nytram Shakes]

Mane was one of the players i'd most like to have seen us sign this summer, really rate him, he has power pace, can score and cross and is a realistic target.

But i wouldn't sign him now we have signed Bailly i think signing another african would be a mistake if an african cup of nations season.

 

[3KDré]

By that, do you mean Mata, Young and Valencia?

People have been talking about mane not being a winger @TitusCrumble. well is Mata a right winger?, is Valencia right back?, is Young a froward, Left wing back, right winger, in-side left forward?

Mahrez is the top choice, but Mane doesn't be ruled out because hes a very good player, better RW than Young, Mata and Deplay.

Never said they were...? Surely if we want to buy a winger we should actually buy a winger?

 

[Klopper76]

Do you have a winger in your squad? Milner is shocking as a winger..

I'd say Milner's best stuff for us last season came on the right but he shouldn't be starting for us every week if we want to try and make a step up next season. Markovic (back from a disappointing loan in Turkey) and Ibe (who has disappointed since he was expected to pick up where Sterling left off) are the only two wingers we have apart from Ojo who is still very young. I'd be surprised if Klopp relied on him much next season. Ibe simply isn't very good, so Mane would be an upgrade.

-----------Sturridge-------
Coutinho--Firmino--Mane

That wouldn't be a terrible attacking quartet to have. I'm assuming that Mane would do well, he could just as easily be a flop signing.

 

[M16Red]

Never said they were...? Surely if we want to buy a winger we should actually buy a winger?

He's a modern forward. Who plays on the right and his heatmap shows him to occupie the right wing position...I should let the Muppet loses.... Let's sign Ronnie and Messi then we can have the choice..

 

[Obiorahking_]

Exactly the problem. He isn't a winger, his best position is #10. Surely if we are going to spend loads of money on a winger we should actually buy someone who plays best on the wing?

That is not even true!

 

[Obiorahking_]

You didn't rebut them, you showed a stat of where his starting position across the course of a season was and a video in which all of the goals have nothing to do with playing as RW,

1) These stats aren't developed solely on starting positions but also on where they spend most of their times playing throughout their duration on the pitch.
2) The goals made up 10% of the video. The main point of the video was to display how effective he is coming playing on the right against Manchester City. You clearly did not watch the video.

I said he's inconsistent and your so called rebuttal for that is to blame the manager, despite the fact Southampton play with a very fluid attacking system that doesn't force the attackers into rigid roles

So what if they have a little bit of freedom, Does that mean he can completely occupy a different position for a majority of the game compared to the position he was assigned to play in? Don't understand what you are trying to say here.

 

[Obiorahking_]

I agree about Young, however, some reports have mentioned that Young has future under Jose Mourinho. I wouldn't be surprised if this is true because he track back a lot and he has pace on counter. So I guess he would be a decent cover.

About Mane, I understand @Devil may care point of view. Mane is not a bad player, but we should aim higher if we want to compete versus Barcelona, Madrid, Bayern, and even City, Juventus, PSG, among others.

IMO Mane is better through the centre (CAM/SS), but according to WhoScored he has had better stats on the right wing:

WhoScored.com claim he only played on the right nine times but do at least agree that he had his best form there—with his player rating averaging 8.08 on the right, compared to 6.84 when played in the centre.

Even if Mane improves our squad, there are some poor attitude problems. Koeman said: “My message to Sadio two days ago in training was that I didn’t think he was really focused and concentrated,” The problem would be if this kind of behavior affect the teammates/fans/club.

So it's okay if we sign him, but he shouldn't be our Plan A. Talking about the right wingers of the league, Mahrez should be considered as first option. He was the best in that position last season, and he would be a good choice.

For me, it's okay if our new winger is not from the league. Memphis has been a disappointment (I hope he improves) but Martial is totally the opposite. There are also quality wingers outside the league... Unfortunately, those players are heading to other clubs. For example: Dembele, Sane, Coman, Mkhitaryan, etc.

We should sign the best available winger and I think that player is not Mane. But, If the top players have different destination, then Mane would be a decent signing to improve our attack.

I agree.

 

[Devil may care]

1) These stats aren't developed solely on starting positions but also on where they spend most of their times playing throughout their duration on the pitch.
2) The goals made up 10% of the video. The main point of the video was to display how effective he is coming playing on the right against Manchester City. You clearly did not watch the video.

And everything effective he does comes from when he moves central from the position, so the heat map vs key moments make it irrelevant how much time he spent in one part of the pitch, it's the moments where he effected a game that counted and that was when he'd moved central. I did watch the video, he's not playing RW for any of the goals which are the points where effected the game..

So what if they have a little bit of freedom, Does that mean he can completely occupy a different position for a majority of the game compared to the position he was assigned to play in? Don't understand what you are trying to say here.

I'm saying that his long patches of crap form are not excused by his nominal starting position because the forwards have plenty of rotation in the Southampton attack.

 

[Obiorahking_]

I think it's fair to assume that almost every team in the bottom half of the table will try to adapt to the formula that worked for Leicester last season. Some of them already do this but nest season we will see even more of this defensive approach. If we don't have a striker who can outmuscle their center backs, wide players who have the ability to beat their full backs or offensive midfielders who can find these killer passes our results from last season will continue. Only one capable player of winning one on ones isn't enough. These is why we need more pacy wingers, strong strikers and creative midfielders to over come this challange.

Sadio Mané or Riyhad Marhez are exactly the type of wingers that we need.Both proven against the best defenders in the league and both producing numbers of goals and assist.

See the appointment of Zlatan and a new right winger as a package when the fee for both of them is what counts. Zlatan for free means room for going for the best available. As far as I can see Marhez is our first choice but Mané isn't far off. His accleration and pace is world class. His ball control and vision to deliver thru passes is also very very good. The kid scores goals and set up others, what more to ask for?

Going to a giant club like United means two things. Extremely high expectations and loads of pressure on his shoulders. Sink or swim. This is why Zlatan is a must. He will take the spot light and give guys like Mané/Marhez time to settle. He will protect them from outside critisism, he will demand them to be ultra pros. I guy like Mané don't stand a chance against a seasoned pro like Zlatan, who will eat him alive if he starts to feck around or sulk when things goes against him. Think about Karate Kid and you get the picture ;-)

United and Olf Trafford is the prefect arena for players like Mané. With his pace and wild style he will set the supporters on fire and hopefully create I magic atmosphere that the whole team can benefit from.

Off course he's on a radar, everything else would be criminal from our manager and scouts.

Very good analysis. Especially the part about Mane and Mahrez being proven against top defenses. Aside from his concerning attitude, I don't think there is any reason for him not to become one of our integral pieces moving forward. But like @Fer said, he ought to be a last resort if we can't secure any of the higher tier guys.

 

[Devil may care]

By that, do you mean Mata, Young and Valencia?

Mata isn't a winger and out of the other 2 I'd only call Valencia a true success, Young has been better as a jack of all trades squad option, as a winger his productivity was poor.

 

[Obiorahking_]

And everything effective he does comes from when he moves central from the position

-1:43-1:47 minute he makes a great lobbed through pass to Shane Long--goes to his ability as great passer regardless of where he is on the pitch
-Goal number 1 came from making a deep run from the halfway line along the sidelines of the right hand side to a much more inner position on right side on the final third to score the goal.-- very capable of making good runs, a very helpful quality in a counter attacking team.
-around 3:20 minute passes it to right back and makes a cut around the defender to create space and put in a decisive pass to a free Shane Long
-4:14 minute he is indeed in a more centralized position but is still playing within the proximity of the right edge of the pass. He picks out a very free Davis(or whoever number 8 is)--goes to passing ability aswell
-4:37 Makes a cheeky back pass around Kolorov to open up Manchester city defense despite nothing amounting to anything in the end.
-6:20 mark Sadio Mane once again starts on the deep wide right position then makes a much more centralized run to create a passing option for Tadic(?) to make a through ball to him leading to a goal.
7:20 makes a defensive interception to retain possession at the right hand side of the defensive third of the pitch.
7:26 On the right hand side advancing up the pitch then puts in a lovely through ball to a Southampton player making a run

Where are central parts of the game that he effected?

I'm saying that his long patches of crap form are not excused by his nominal starting position because the forwards have plenty of rotation in the Southampton attack.

You are quite right, but 80% of the time when he played in his AMC position he stayed there. For instance, recall the first time we played them. He was pretty much occupying the center of the pitch until Koeman switched him to the right where he picked up his assist to make the score 3:2 and help put Southampton back in the game.

 

[Attila]

Young is a hustle guy who can provide a decent offensive threat through isolation play in an effort to put in a good cross.

Depay is:
-a great striker of the ball with a quiet incredible longshot
-good at picking out passes in the final third
-capable of making great runs to put himself into good positions to score
-Has speed and skill to his game

His poor decision making and failure to adjust to the BPL in 1 season got the better of him. However, his upside is high and he should be given more than 1 season to prove himself.

wtf...what Depay have you watched

But anyway...I do agree with a lot of your points about Mane and would not mind us signing him. He has a lot of ability and if he can get some good consistency he could be a huge help to a counter attacking team Mourinho is likely to build.