Sadio Mane | LFC Player

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Attila said:
wtf...what Depay have you watched

But anyway...I do agree with a lot of your points about Mane and would not mind us signing him. He has a lot of ability and if he can get some good consistency he could be a huge help to a counter attacking team Mourinho is likely to build.
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Mind you I am basing my assessment off of Depay's performances for Netherlands, PSV and United. The talent is there, he just has the same typical case among young talents. Can he translate that potential and talent he has on a consistent basis? In my opinion, 1 season at United is too small of a sample size to decide.

I agree with your thinking on Mane aswell. If our top tier targets don't work then I would be very satisfied with Mane on our team.
 
Obiorahking_ said:
-1:43-1:47 minute he makes a great lobbed through pass to Shane Long--goes to his ability as great passer regardless of where he is on the pitch
-Goal number 1 came from making a deep run from the halfway line along the sidelines of the right hand side to a much more inner position on right side on the final third to score the goal.-- very capable of making good runs, a very helpful quality in a counter attacking team.
-around 3:20 minute passes it to right back and makes a cut around the defender to create space and put in a decisive pass to a free Shane Long
-4:14 minute he is indeed in a more centralized position but is still playing within the proximity of the right edge of the pass. He picks out a very free Davis(or whoever number 8 is)--goes to passing ability aswell
-4:37 Makes a cheeky back pass around Kolorov to open up Manchester city defense despite nothing amounting to anything in the end.
-6:20 mark Sadio Mane once again starts on the deep wide right position then makes a much more centralized run to create a passing option for Tadic(?) to make a through ball to him leading to a goal.
7:20 makes a defensive interception to retain possession at the right hand side of the defensive third of the pitch.
7:26 On the right hand side advancing up the pitch then puts in a lovely through ball to a Southampton player making a run

Where are central parts of the game that he effected?
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The goals are him effecting the game in terms of making an actual game changing contribution, and two of them come from central while one comes from a set-piece. Running the inside channel is not playing RW, look at Rashford's movement, he goes out to in on runs when playing as a striker. Some of the other moments you list are decent play, no doubt, but going back to the overall point, these types of games are here and there with him, not consistent.

You are quite right, but 80% of the time when he played in his AMC position he stayed there. For instance, recall the first time we played them. He was pretty much occupying the center of the pitch until Koeman switched him to the right where he picked up his assist to make the score 3:2 and help put Southampton back in the game.
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He did improve against us when he moved to the RW and put in some good crosses, but top players in a pretty free moving attack, especially this season when Long played rather than Pelle, doesn't have any excuse for so much patchy form, and I think a lot of it comes from his attitude. Professionalism and concentration even when you aren't fancy things is a big part of being a top player, and he's prone to stroppiness when things aren't going as he wants.
 
Obiorahking_ said:
Mind you I am basing my assessment off of Depay's performances for Netherlands, PSV and United. The talent is there, he just has the same typical case among young talents. Can he translate that potential and talent he has on a consistent basis? In my opinion, 1 season at United is too small of a sample size to decide.

I agree with your thinking on Mane aswell. If our top tier targets don't work then I would be very satisfied with Mane on our team.
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Depay is 22 and can't perform against any PL teams. "The talent is there" means nothing

He's been useless in this league and at 22 I doubt he's going to have some massive improvement next season. Especially when Martial has taken his spot on the left wing. The guy is going to be stuck on the bench from now on I would bet
 
Obiorahking_ said:
Moot point. Vardy and Payet are 29. Age has never been an accurate barometer of development.
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Oh yeah? Personally I would think LVG and the club expected Depay to perform now considering he was signed for £30m, dutch player of the year and top scorer. Pretty silly to compare him to Vardy and Payet
 
Devil may care said:
The goals are him effecting the game in terms of making an actual game changing contribution, and two of them come from central while one comes from a set-piece.
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How did he get to those central positions in the first place? By making runs from the right hand side of the pitch in the middle third(his initial position). Football is never that simple. All the player's actions essentially make up the build up that leads to the eventual goal, especially the actions/movements of the goal scorer.
Devil may care said:
Running the inside channel is not playing RW,
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It rather does especially if you spent a vast majority of the pitch playing on the right hand side of the field.
Devil may care said:
I think a lot of it comes from his attitude. Professionalism and concentration even when you aren't fancy things is a big part of being a top player, and he's prone to stroppiness when things aren't going as he wants.
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I agree with you here and understand your concerns about his professionalism, especially with young players because their lack of maturity when playing at a high level can get the best of them and really harm their career. It would be one of my concerns here, but hopefully he would situate properly if it eventually came to this.
 
Attila said:
Oh yeah? Personally I would think LVG and the club expected Depay to perform now considering he was signed for £30m, dutch player of the year and top scorer. Pretty silly to compare him to Vardy and Payet
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Players who have gone for 30 million or less:
Baily
Gundogan
Dybala
Pjanic
Hummels
Douglas Costa
Pogba
Firmino etc...
Doesn't really many anything. If LVG knew that he would perform like this then I highly doubt that we would have pursued him in the first place considering how silly of an idea that would be.


Attila said:
Depay is 22 and can't perform
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You brought up age and performance.
Vardy wasn't really blowing up the 2014/15 season was he?
Payet did not start blowing up in the french league until about 4 years ago.(25 years old)?
Drogba at the age of 24 couldn't crack 24 goals in Ligue 1
Di Natalie?
List goes on and on. We shouldn't be basing his potential off of a poor season in first season on the big stage. A bit harsh isn't it?
 
I can't say I've seen much of him but that City game I did see. Of course I'm left thinking wow, what's not to like. He has everything that's needed for a right forward, and I mean everything. The poster that said this guy will set the team alight is on the money I reckon. Comes deep on the flank to help initiate, times his runs to the box with perfection, long distance passing incisive and imaginative, covers alot of ground quickly, deadly finisher with little daylight to see, acrobatic and determined when the ball jars loose.
I really can't see how anyone would object to this. On what basis?
 
It seems we have all forgotten about this guy for our right wing. Reports now linking him to the scouse. I really hope we are still able to acquire him and mkhitaryan. Wouldn't mind a

Ibrahimovic
Martial Mane

Mkhytaryan
Mata would probably get the axe. Still early but this guy would very much improve on the current dross we have lingard and memphis.
 
Mourinho could drop Rooney deeper in game we will look to control, meaning if we get Mkhitaryan, we could possibly play him down the middle, which will mean we still need a right winger. I would personally like to see Mane. Can be inconsistent, but he's a match winner, and he has bags of pace.

Ibrahimovic
Martial Mkhitaryan Mane
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Walters_19_MuFc said:
Mourinho could drop Rooney deeper in game we will look to control, meaning if we get Mkhitaryan, we could possibly play him down the middle, which will mean we still need a right winger. I would personally like to see Mane. Can be inconsistent, but he's a match winner, and he has bags of pace.

Ibrahimovic
Martial Mkhitaryan Mane
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Urg, we will need a one heck of DM to balance this kind of team out. While your team not lacks of work rate, defensive, discipline and quality very lacking.

Not sold on him yet. Don't think his ceiling is high. Good addition for the way LVG was building his team. Not sure about him and Mourinho team though. I think we can do better. Would not be gutted if L'pool get him.
 
ti vu said:
Urg, we will need a one heck of DM to balance this kind of team out. While your team not lacks of work rate, defensive, discipline and quality very lacking.

Not sold on him yet. Don't think his ceiling is high. Good addition for the way LVG was building his team. Not sure about him and Mourinho team though. I think we can do better. Would not be gutted if L'pool get him.
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He is so rapid though and is very much adjusted to this league. As the above post stated when he is on fire he is pretty much unstoppable. I reckon a 20 million bid and we have him compared to the lower fee for this adam ounas player that we know nothing about.
 
kenny19 said:
He is so rapid though and is very much adjusted to this league. As the above post stated when he is on fire he is pretty much unstoppable. I reckon a 20 million bid and we have him compared to the lower fee for this adam ounas player that we know nothing about.
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can't see Southampton asking less than 30 mil when Deeney is rumored for 30million. I don't see we need plug the hole tactic like under LVG. Due to the lack of pace under LVG possession style, people assume we still need the this pacy right winger to break team down. This is not the case any more. With Mourinho, we would cross more, much quicker transition, more physical/ better in set piece... With a more direct, simpler style, arguably Memphis, Januzaj, Rashford...can make use of their pace if called upon. We need more established player than getting another expensive player who still needs a lot of work toward the next level.

That Adam guy was just another gossip.
 
ti vu said:
can't see Southampton asking less than 30 mil when Deeney is rumored for 30million. I don't see we need plug the hole tactic like under LVG. Due to the lack of pace under LVG possession style, people assume we still need the this pacy right winger to break team down. This is not the case any more. With Mourinho, we would cross more, much quicker transition, more physical/ better in set piece... With a more direct, simpler style, arguably Memphis, Januzaj, Rashford...can make use of their pace if called upon. We need more established player than getting another expensive player who still needs a lot of work toward the next level.

That Adam guy was just another gossip.
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Mane fits this perfectly.
He wouldnt be a plug the hole type player. He tracks back, often helps out in defence which would suit Mourinho. He doesnt just play on the right and unlike our other wide players can actually cross a ball with either foot.
I doubt we will go for him but whoever gets him will get a very good player.
 
Mane is quite inconsistent but he's pretty underrated here and i simply don't understand why. We aren't even being linked with him so i guess this isn't happening. I hope the scousers don't get him.
 
Stack said:
Mane fits this perfectly.
He wouldnt be a plug the hole type player. He tracks back, often helps out in defence which would suit Mourinho. He doesnt just play on the right and unlike our other wide players can actually cross a ball with either foot.
I doubt we will go for him but whoever gets him will get a very good player.
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I agree. I am not saying that's Mane would be fit that. Just that we have players potential fit that bill too. Mane theoretically fits LVG standard better than our own players hence the interest. Now we ditch that style, our players are not too far from Mane level in a simpler, more direct style. We should look at level above Mane is what I am saying.
 
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Walters_19_MuFc said:
Mourinho could drop Rooney deeper in game we will look to control, meaning if we get Mkhitaryan, we could possibly play him down the middle, which will mean we still need a right winger. I would personally like to see Mane. Can be inconsistent, but he's a match winner, and he has bags of pace.

Ibrahimovic
Martial Mkhitaryan Mane​
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Dropping Rooney deeper is where that plan falls down though. That would hinder us to a much greater extent than Mane would help us.
 
Gbenger said:
Mane is quite inconsistent but he's pretty underrated here and i simply don't understand why. We aren't even being linked with him so i guess this isn't happening. I hope the scousers don't get him.
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I agree 100% his pace and aggression is such an asset to any team plus he really has an eye for goal. I'd love if we signed him at OT.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Mourinho could drop Rooney deeper in game we will look to control, meaning if we get Mkhitaryan, we could possibly play him down the middle, which will mean we still need a right winger. I would personally like to see Mane. Can be inconsistent, but he's a match winner, and he has bags of pace.

Ibrahimovic
Martial Mkhitaryan Mane
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Forget Ibrahimovic and add Rashford and you have a front 4 with the potential to destroy each Team on the Counter.
 
I don't understand why this guy is so highly rated on here.

He reeks of averageness IMO.
 
ManUchosenbosslvg said:
You seemed very keen on us signing him on the early pages of this thread? Has he regressed that much that you now welcome the red sh!te signing him?
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I wanted him cause I though he was the best we could do in January when we were desperate for attacking options. We were absolutely dire upfront during that period.
Now, I feel there are other options.
 
Have Liverpool ever bought a half decent player for over £25m? I can't remember one.
 
Akash said:
I'd rather have him on the right wing than Mkhitaryan
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I disagree.

Theoretically Mkhi suits more to Mourinho's style than Mane. Mane IMO is similar to Malouda which was a failure for Mourinho. Mane is more rapid and stronger than Malouda along with other differences, but overall the style is very similar. Malouda and Mane style of attacking is very unpredictable, even to their own teammates which is not ideal for deep lying counter attacking team who prefer less possession to draw the opponent out (Southampton played a mild possession and pressing high upfield based system). Malouda and Mane dribbling style is very wild, in which it builds itself on instance after instance. They force their way and react to defenders actions. It's unreliable to consistently produce ideal scenario for fast counter attack, where Malouda and Sane can't even know where they would be after they beat their markers.


One trick pony like Robben who is just too good at what he's doing, to create the ideal scenario as the tactic requires. Multi dimensional attackers like Willian, Hazard... can beat their markers through different tricks, yet their movements are still predictably reliable to build tactic around their abilities. Mane should be a good signing during LVG since his unpredictability would be useful in the final third for possession football where the team use slow transition and only attack when the players are set in their zone in opponent's half. Not anymore for Mourinho.
 
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