Ryan Giggs | United confirm he's left

[Ixion]

Have you ever got a new boss and been demoted?

I've been part of a company that got taken over by new management they let go of half of us, close enough? Giggs should follow Van Gaal and the rest.

A new manager anywhere should be able to pick his own assistant manager. That isn't even up for debate. Giggs acting entitled to the job is absurd. He should grow some balls and go manage somewhere.

 

[Maradona10]

These public negotiations with Journos in giggs pocket saying, he wants to stay and be assistant manager and mou's journos saying he wants giggs to stay but not as ass manager. Public posturing from them is funny. I dont think Mou would want giggs, a man after his job on his team. I hope he offers giggs the kitman role and giggs leaves. I do think giggs has no balls and will not move away as risk of faliure is very high.

 

[Xaviesta]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-legend-ryan-giggs-8033063

Had to get the tissues ready for poor old Ryan Giggs after reading David Kidd's article in today's Mirror.

 

[FacerTheRed]

...not a chance, Mourinho will pick his own coaching staff and rightly should cause he needs people round him who he can rely on. I love Giggsy, rightly is a legend at the club for the most long serving player of all time and one of the best also, but despite that as a coach he has no right to demand to keep his role as assistant manager. If he didnt have his legendary status, he would of been sitting in the VIP box or commentary box this season with the other ex united players like Scholes & Rio as a spectator. Mourinho could offer him some kind of coaching role but as assistant manager, no way. That privilege in my opinion has expired as soon LVG went out of the door. If really wants it, he has to prove it like every other ex united player who went onto coaching.

 

[acnumber9]

I've been part of a company that got taken over by new management they let go of half of us, close enough? Giggs should follow Van Gaal and the rest.

A new manager anywhere should be able to pick his own assistant manager. That isn't even up for debate. Giggs acting entitled to the job is absurd. He should grow some balls and go manage somewhere.

Did you get demoted? There's nothing absurd about a man not wanting to be demoted. It's perfectly normal.

 

[sunama]

You do know Giggs was the manager's assistant, not the manager himself? Just someone obliged to follow and implement the "philosophy" of someone else?

I understand what you are saying, but when things are going badly wrong (for example, when we had a disastrous December, when we could barely score a goal and any number of negative records which were broken), it is upto Giggs to speak up and tell LVG some home-truths. Now if LVG does not listen...it's on LVG. But the assistant needs to assist his manager. LVG will sometimes bounce ideas off his assistant. If he keeps his mouth shut when things are going tits up or LVG suggests a bad idea, that's not much of an assistant.

Of course, we don't actually know for sure, whether or not Giggs did (or didn't) speak up.

In any case, I'd much rather Mourinho bring in his own team with which he is comfortable and he believes he can win trophies with. I'd love for our GK coach to have stayed, but Jose will no doubt bring in people he is comfortable with.
At the end of the day, we want results and it's on Jose to deliver these results.

 

[itso 7]

Have you ever got a new boss and been demoted?

He has been the second in command of a regime that failed miserably, should have been fired along with them in any competently run outfit and the fact that he has the temerity to demand the right to choose where he serves further highlights the rot that's set in. No doubt Giggs' future role will hold up Mourinho's appointment until Jose sees 'sense' and commits professional suicide by bringing in a man angling after his own job as his deputy. Why even go through the trouble of appointing Mourinho if we are going to hold him back by imposing senior members on his staff?

 

[Rednotdead]

I understand what you are saying, but when things are going badly wrong (for example, when we had a disastrous December, when we could barely score a goal and any number of negative records which were broken), it is upto Giggs to speak up and tell LVG some home-truths. Now if LVG does not listen...it's on LVG. But the assistant needs to assist his manager. LVG will sometimes bounce ideas off his assistant. If he keeps his mouth shut when things are going tits up or LVG suggests a bad idea, that's not much of an assistant.

Of course, we don't actually know for sure, whether or not Giggs did (or didn't) speak up.

In any case, I'd much rather Mourinho bring in his own team with which he is comfortable and he believes he can win trophies with. I'd love for our GK coach to have stayed, but Jose will no doubt bring in people he is comfortable with.
At the end of the day, we want results and it's on Jose to deliver these results.

Oh, I'm also of the opinion Mourinho should bring his own team, and Giggs should leave. I just don't get this mindset that Giggs is responsible for everything that has gone wrong on the field since Fergie left. We must be the only club in the world where the Assistant Manager apparently has more power than the Manager.

 

[Ixion]

Did you get demoted? There's nothing absurd about a man not wanting to be demoted. It's perfectly normal.

Well Van Gaal didn't want to get fired and most people thought that was laughable after the season we've just had. Giggs not wanting a demotion is just the same. He's lucky he isn't already out the door.

 

[Sky1981]

Mourinho : Giggsy boy, can you make the defenders play tactical training a12-b1
Giggsy : er... wtf is that boss??
Mourinho : sigh..... "goes on for 1 hour explaining to giggs the whole a1-a30, b1-b30
Giggsy : er... i don't understand boss.
Mourinho : feck it, Rui... get a12-b1
Rui Faria : ok boss, would you want a c3 with that?

 

[Bojan11]

Did you get demoted? There's nothing absurd about a man not wanting to be demoted. It's perfectly normal.

Mourinho should pick whatever staff he wants. If he doesn't want Giggs as his assistant then we shouldn't force him to.

Why can't Giggs go prove the United way works at other clubs? For me it will show how spineless he is if he doesn't go elsewhere to prove himself. He wants to be handed the keys on a silver platter rather than earning it.

 

[Rednotdead]

He has been the second in command of a regime that failed miserably, should have been fired along with them in any competently run outfit and the fact that he has the temerity to demand the right to choose where he serves further highlights the rot that's set in. No doubt Giggs' future role will hold up Mourinho's appointment until Jose sees 'sense' and commits professional suicide by bringing in a man angling after his own job as his deputy. Why even go through the trouble of appointing Mourinho if we are going to hold him back by imposing senior members on his staff?

Are you party to the inner workings at OT? You must be, to make such an assertion.

 

[itso 7]

Well Van Gaal didn't want to get fired and most people thought that was laughable after the season we've just had. Giggs not wanting a demotion is just the same. He's lucky he isn't already out the door.

This and I don't get why its so difficult for people to grasp. All of his other colleagues are now jobless and he's been singled out for survival, thats bad enough as it is.

 

[Sky1981]

If giggs ended up working under Mourinho he won't be so daring with his media attack, this is one shark you don't bite

 

[Shamwow]

You'd think he's the boogieman or something

 

[settembrini]

Van Gaal leaving yesterday was great and today I wake up and it's all talk of new deals for Carrick and Giggs... sounds to me like we've learned nothing from the last few years.

 

[Perrick Dubois]

Mourinho : Giggsy boy, can you make the defenders play tactical training a12-b1
Giggsy : er... wtf is that boss??
Mourinho : sigh..... "goes on for 1 hour explaining to giggs the whole a1-a30, b1-b30
Giggsy : er... i don't understand boss.
Mourinho : feck it, Rui... get a12-b1
Rui Faria : ok boss, would you want a c3 with that?

Cringe.

 

[wiz4231]

Giggs has been apart of 2 failed manager regimes, Moyes the dinosaur and LVG the tactical nutjob. Their failure has nothing to do with Giggs and even if he undermine them and turned the players against their manager (as some believe, which he didn't) has he really done wrong? The 2 clueless managers needed sacking and if had aided that then he's done the right thing by the club.
With Jose coming in he needs to stay to learn from a modern day proven winner, Jose is one of the best manager he's ever going to to have a chance to learn from. Moyes was manager who showed Giggs how not to do things, LVG was a manager who showed Giggs how to over complicate things but also multiple formations. There's valuable experiences from both regimes, now is the time to learn from the best, why should he leave. Jose will be around for 3 years, it's ideal for Giggs to be around.

 

[Barca84]

Van Gaal leaving yesterday was great and today I wake up and it's all talk of new deals for Carrick and Giggs... sounds to me like we've learned nothing from the last few years.

If Carrick is getting a 1yr deal I'd say that's been sanctioned by JM as would any job for Giggs. The idea that we would simply foister either of them on an incoming manager who, more than likely, has stipulated complete control over transfers, contract extensions, and who works alongside him is fanciful to say the least.

 

[itso 7]

Are you party to the inner workings at OT? You must be, to make such an assertion.

Oh I forgot! You need verifiable evidence to discuss even the most obvious.

 

[settembrini]

If Carrick is getting a 1yr deal I'd say that's been sanctioned by JM as would any job for Giggs. The idea that we would simply foister either of them on an incoming manager who, more than likely, has stipulated complete control over transfers, contract extensions, and who works alongside him is fanciful to say the least.

I think it's fanciful to think we wouldn't. Valencia got a new contract after Moyes was sacked but while Van Gaal was managing Netherlands at the WC and Giggs has been fostered on our last two managers.

 

[GBBQ]

If he insists on staying at United then perhaps the U21 manager's job could be good for him (assuming Warren Joyce goes to Blackburn) but realistically if he wants to prove his abilities he needs to go and make a go of it at a PL club. Show how he deals with his own team, his own transfers, handling the media on a regular basis and being the sole responsible party when things go wrong.

 

[Barca84]

I think it's fanciful to think we wouldn't. Valencia got a new contract after Moyes was sacked but while Van Gaal was managing Netherlands at the WC and Giggs has been fostered on our last two managers.

But in all seriousness JM will not be taking on this job with an opening gambit from us telling him who he is working with and which ageing midfielders are staying whether he likes it or not. Time will no doubt tell but I'm pretty confident that JM will lead any of those sort of discussions and rightly so.

 

[Varun]

Why didn't he get sacked when the entire staff was? If the coaching team get the boot, shouldnt the no 2 there get it too?

 

[Barca84]

If he insists on staying at United then perhaps the U21 manager's job could be good for him (assuming Warren Joyce goes to Blackburn) but realistically if he wants to prove his abilities he needs to go and make a go of it at a PL club. Show how he deals with his own team, his own transfers, handling the media on a regular basis and being the sole responsible party when things go wrong.

Giggs can't insist on anything. If he stays it'll be in a capacity that will suit JM and the club.

 

[GBBQ]

Giggs can't insist on anything. If he stays it'll be in a capacity that will suit JM and the club.

Bad choice of words by me, obviously its up to JM and I assume key positions on JM's coaching team will be filled by the usual suspects. But more if Giggs lacks the balls to go out on his own then at least U21 will give a slightly better idea of his capabilities.

 

[acnumber9]

He has been the second in command of a regime that failed miserably, should have been fired along with them in any competently run outfit and the fact that he has the temerity to demand the right to choose where he serves further highlights the rot that's set in. No doubt Giggs' future role will hold up Mourinho's appointment until Jose sees 'sense' and commits professional suicide by bringing in a man angling after his own job as his deputy. Why even go through the trouble of appointing Mourinho if we are going to hold him back by imposing senior members on his staff?

Maybe he should but you brought in a real world comparison. In the real world somebody doesn't get sacked or demoted because their manager was shit. Ultimately the only people who k ow if he's good at his job are hose who have seen him in it. You are not one of those people.

 

[acnumber9]

Mourinho should pick whatever staff he wants. If he doesn't want Giggs as his assistant then we shouldn't force him to.

Why can't Giggs go prove the United way works at other clubs? For me it will show how spineless he is if he doesn't go elsewhere to prove himself. He wants to be handed the keys on a silver platter rather than earning it.

I never said he shouldn't. Just that not wanting to be demoted is a perfectly natural instinct.

I think Giggs wants to work at Utd. Attitudes like that used to be lauded. Now it's a stick to beat somebody with.

 

[acnumber9]

Well Van Gaal didn't want to get fired and most people thought that was laughable after the season we've just had. Giggs not wanting a demotion is just the same. He's lucky he isn't already out the door.

Well yeah. That's how people are. I'm not sure how that prompts abuse.

 

[Rednotdead]

Oh I forgot! You need verifiable evidence to discuss even the most obvious.

Obvious? Really? Why is it obvious?

 

[Kill 'em all]

Will be a huge disappointment if our board tries to interfere with Mourinho's choice of his team. He's comfortable with Faria, let him get Faria. Interfering with this is already setting up the new manager to fail.

Anyway, I would assume Faria is already part of the package given he was with Mourinho yesterday in those photos.

 

[Kag]

It's a simple concept. Our new manager has his own team. Either Giggs accepts the role offered within that team or he leaves.

Nobody at the club - or those on the way in - has done anything wrong.

 

[Xaviesta]

From a story in the dailymail:

''Ryan Giggs will fly to Dubai on Tuesday to consider his future at Manchester United.

Giggs is thinking about leaving after almost three decades at Old Trafford, his apparent reluctance to work with the soon-to-be-appointed Jose Mourinho fuelled by his anger at what he considers shabby treatment by executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward.

The club's most decorated player feels the club have reneged on an agreement to let him succeed Louis van Gaal as manager. Sources say he is particularly upset by Woodward's failure to keep him in the picture over developments with Mourinho''.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ncoming-boss-Jose-Mourinho.html#ixzz49Z9flQIz
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[Shamwow]

Why would he fly to Dubai to consider his future?

 

[JON.B]

He's looked increasingly more and more uncomfortable on the sidelines, maybe understandable given the likely atmosphere around the dressing room. He just so often looks like he's not at ease in his role which is a worry if he has ambitions of being a manager in the future.

 

[Amir]

If Giggs stays on Mourinho's team but not as assistant it just shows he wants to stay at United, hoping it'll somehow get him the manager's job someday.

 

[devilish]

If you think about it, it's a glass half-full, glass half empty type of thing. You just don't get it.
The upside is that this sort of coach, Giggs, he is loyal to the club. He is not a mercenary whose only loyalty lies with manager. And that could lead to a serious division problem that we actually saw at Chelsea, Eva Carneiro situation and the rest. Big part of the problem was that Mourinho people supported him, not Chelsea, their employer. And also they could not disagree with him or go against him, even if that would have been beneficial for the club which led to a meltdown.
So it's not worse to actually have at least mixed backroom staff with people from managers side, who he likes to work with but also some people that are employed by the club.

Weeell I wouldn't be that sure about it. You're assuming that just because a player was loyal to the club then he will be loyal as coach/manager. That's not the case. Pep was Barcelona's product, a player who time and time again showed great loyalty to the club. That hasn't stopped him from leaving. Same with Ancelotti with AC Milan. As a player he was like a Roy Keane for them and they gave him a chance despite failing at Juventus. That hasn't stopped him from resigning back in 2009 and refusing to return ever since.

Ryan Giggs could have survived all this if he laid low, took a low level job at United and grew at the club in an area the managers tend not to be too bothered about having full control on (ex the youth academy). That's exactly what Nicky Butt did. The crossing of the Rubicon occurred the day someone whispered in the media that we're grooming Ryan to become our next manager. After that the situation became unattainable for him

 

[Seij]

From a story in the dailymail:

''Ryan Giggs will fly to Dubai on Tuesday to consider his future at Manchester United.

Giggs is thinking about leaving after almost three decades at Old Trafford, his apparent reluctance to work with the soon-to-be-appointed Jose Mourinho fuelled by his anger at what he considers shabby treatment by executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward.

The club's most decorated player feels the club have reneged on an agreement to let him succeed Louis van Gaal as manager. Sources say he is particularly upset by Woodward's failure to keep him in the picture over developments with Mourinho''.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ncoming-boss-Jose-Mourinho.html#ixzz49Z9flQIz
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Shabby treatment?

What other boss would hire a guy with zero coaching resume to the second most important man in charge of the players, keep him through two trainwreck managements and still let him stay in the club?

If anything Woodward has coddled Giggs with unnecessary sentimentality because of his status within the club.

 

[Adebesi]

From a story in the dailymail:

''Ryan Giggs will fly to Dubai on Tuesday to consider his future at Manchester United.

Giggs is thinking about leaving after almost three decades at Old Trafford, his apparent reluctance to work with the soon-to-be-appointed Jose Mourinho fuelled by his anger at what he considers shabby treatment by executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward.

The club's most decorated player feels the club have reneged on an agreement to let him succeed Louis van Gaal as manager. Sources say he is particularly upset by Woodward's failure to keep him in the picture over developments with Mourinho''.

His sense of entitlement is absolutely staggering.

I do understand how some people feel the negative sentiment towards Giggs on here goes a bit far at times. It is amazing, when you think about it, that a player with his achievements and his status is perceived the way he is on here. But I cant see it changing while he is here, because the root of it - for me at least - is that he seems to feel the job is his by rights and that all he has to do is bide his time and it will come to him. If Woodward gave him that impression - and I wouldnt be at all surprised if he did - I can see why Giggs feels aggrieved, it would be another example of poor management by Woodward. But at the same time it shows a massive lack of self awareness if he cant look at the situation objectively and see he is not qualified for the job. The club is much bigger than his career aspirations. Honestly, if he was motivated by the love of the game and of the idea of management, as most managers are, he would be out there looking to get stuck in. In England in the lower divisions, if necessary, or abroad. Or even travelling, like Guardiola did, immersing himself in new experiences. I just find it bizarre that someone should think a job of this importance and prestige would just fall into his lap. I can only assume it is the product of living in the PL bubble, where everything youve ever wanted was there for the taking.

I would urge him to leave this summer and go and do something that enthuses him and furthers his experience in football management. Whatever it is he wants to do, that suits him. He will have offers. I will certainly wish him every success - like with Ole, Bruce and other former United players in management, I will always cheer his teams on against anyone that isnt us, and hope he does well. Maybe he will one day be in a position to come back, but the chances of that would be slim. That's life, unfortunately, he'll just have to accept there are some things you cant just take because you are Ryan Giggs.

 

[Penna]

Things change so quickly in football that it seems ridiculous to half-promise someone a massive job several years in advance. Had the Van Gaal tenure worked out successfully and he'd had his three years, there would be some sense in (maybe even) promoting Giggs. But as it is, and as it's panned out, it doesn't seem logical to have him as part of a Portuguese-speaking management team.

I honestly think the language issue is more important than we might think. I know we're in England, but surely a boss likes to a) have personal history with and b) talk in the nuances of his native language with those who deputise for him and give support? Van Gaal's deficiencies in English helped to portray him as clipped and stilted. He's probably much more personable when he's speaking Dutch.