That was back in the good old days, and hiring anyone British these days always ends in disaster.
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That was back in the good old days, and hiring anyone British these days always ends in disaster.
There are three mega clubs in the world who understand continuity and togetherness. United is the only one casting aside its legends.
Rubbish. The idealisation of modern football has reached mythical proportions.
Don't get me wrong... I like Mourinho and would welcome him here, all things considered. But I'd rather finish third with Giggsy than top with Jose.
When was the last time anyone British did anything great in football management (apart from Fergie)?
That's insane.
Back at Molde, currently tied for 2nd. Won their Europa league group after taking over 2 games in, in a group of Ajax, Fenerbache, and Celtic. Lost in the round of 32 to Seville 3-1 on aggregate, winning the second game 1-0.
Since when the British people are a race?
Can you list a number of British managers (who aren't dead or retired) who were successful in football? Really successful I mean, (CL, league titles in top leagues etc)
Of course we want ex -players to have important roles at the club. We just want them to do something to indicate they're suited to that role first.
We've tried giving Giggs roles under two managers already and they've damaged his reputation if anything. Why shouldn't he try proving himself elsewhere? There's no downside to it at this point.
We've tried giving Giggs roles under two managers already and they've damaged his reputation if anything. Why shouldn't he try proving himself elsewhere? There's no downside to it at this point.
Manchester United, managed by a Manchester United legend from Manchester doing things the Manchester United way.
I'd still want success, but I'd be prouder if one of our own did it. I'm a Manc so the local nature of our club is really important to me.
I'd still want success, but I'd be prouder if one of our own did it. I'm a Manc so the local nature of our club is really important to me.
Nationality is irrelevant. Judge people as individuals, you bigot.
I really resent your assertion.
Is that the United way though? The last person who attempted it was Wilf McGuiness. We all know how that panned out. Our best managers were from outside. One of whom had a Manchester City background
I don't think nationality has anything to do with it. People aren't against Giggs as manager because of where he's from, they're against him as manager because of what he has (or rather hasn't) done so far.
We haven't cast Giggs aside. I'm not sure why you keep suggesting this is the case.
We've just awarded Nicky Butt with a fantastic job role at the club.
stop insulting and answer the questions
I'd love to have Gary Neville as the manager, Phil and Scholes as his assistants, Van der Sar as GK coach etc. if they were good enough, who wouldn't? I think most football fans would love their club being run by legends if they were good enough, but that's the problem here, none of them is qualified for the jobs.
I wasn't an insult, it was an accurate description of the position you're taking.
Were have I mentioned race or nationality? Let me repeat the questions
Since when the British people are a race?
Can you list a number of British managers (who aren't dead or retired) who were successful in football? Really successful I mean, (CL, league titles in top leagues etc)
I just asked two questions without even putting an opinion on it. Let me ask you again. Comeon surely you can answer to them
Since when the British people are a race?
Can you list a number of British managers (who aren't dead or retired) who were successful in football? Really successful I mean, (CL, league titles in top leagues etc)
To suggest that Giggs has some God given right to manage United is simply entitled and delusional. He has to earn it just like everyone else.
So you think Giggs being British is a negative when it comes to being a manager? That's the obvious implication of what you're saying unless you've decided to interrupt the thread with a quiz.
Lets see what the mods think about that. I can accept plenty of slack but not being called racist or bigot
It's irrelevant. Nationality is not a predictor of ability. It's bigoted to suggest otherwise.
I'm British. Sorry. I'm obviously a bit of an idiot.
Of course it is. Brits are losers when it comes to football these days.
Ok so let me answer your question and then you answer to mine.
I think that there's a big problem in the coaching program in Britain, which is clearly shown by the fact that this once efficient manager's factory (Shankly, Busby, Clough, SAF, Paisley etc) hasn't produced 1 decent manager for a long long time. I also believe that unless there's an exceptional case (ex the one faced by Barcelona during Pep) a manager should have sound managerial experience to manage a top club.
Now please answer my questions
Since when the British people are a race?
Can you list a number of British managers (who aren't dead or retired) who were successful in football? Really successful I mean, (CL, league titles in top leagues etc)
Nationality (not race, being British is not a race) has nothing to do with idiocy. Isaac Newton, Charles Darwin and Steve Hawkings were/are British and they are geniuses. You're British and you're certainly not
Now do you care to finally answer my questions for once?
Ok. Why does he have to be the #2? Why cant he be part of the coaching staff? Benefit to Giggs is a season or 2 learning what Mourinho does. What is bad about that? The reality is that he has only a short amount of time as a #2, Mourinho for example spent much long as have many other managers. I think its still too early for him to manage, he still has a lot to learn and how is it bad if he is part of the coaching setup and learning from Mourinho. He doesnt have to be the #2 to do that.
Giggs situation had become unattainable the day some genius whispered to the public that he was aiming for the top job. At that point they placed him into a situation were he benefits whenever the manager fails because its his only chance he could get a promotion.
In matter of fact you barely read anyone wanting Butt's head
1. There may well be a problem with the British coaching system. Your repeated question is implying that being British is itself the problem though.
2. Even if there is a problem with British coaching, that doesn't mean someone from Britain can't be an excellent coach. That's poor logic. You should judge managers based on relevant factors rather than implied negatives.
3. I didn't mention race. I said "nationality" and "where a person is from".
4. Agree on the point about experience but that has nothing to do with your point about British managers.
Answer to your question: No idea, there haven't been that many.
Giggs- Leave the club and go prove yourself as a manager at a smaller club in either the championship or league 1. Work your way up. You have no entitlement at Old Trafford. Also, stop cheating on your mrs you horrible human
1. I implied nothing. I just asked 2 simple questions which you fail to answer. Let me imply something though. The English FA sucks big time and had been so since forever. The English managers made it in spite of it rather then thanks to them. If I had a kid and he wanted to become a coach then I'd rather have him take his coaching badges in Spain or Italy then in Britain
2. Who said that?
3. I copied and pasted Dante's questions to you. My apologies (you're not off the hook for the second question though)
4. It does. Another problem British football talent is facing is hype. A player kicks the ball straight, a pundit starts making sense, some manager does well with Swansea and he's already the next this or that. That doesn't do well for them. The italian did that with Balotelli in fact. That didn't worked well either
Nothing wrong with anyone having ambition. The idea that he benefits everytime the manager fails is very blinkered thinking. As it is he hasnt benefitted when Moyes and now LVG fail because many people are including him in the reason those managers have failed. He would have benefitted more if those managers had lasted longer. Silly argument.
You accuse others of never answering your questions which is amusing as its something you do on a regular basis.
Answer this. Would Giggs learn from Mourinho if he were to spend a season or two as part of the coaching staff and would that be beneficial to his future aspirations to become a manager?
I've come to dislike giggs after what he did to his brother, but i understand your sentiment and i'm not even British.
It's simple, he should try his luck somewhere else and see if he's any good at being a manager.
It'd be cool if he could land the villa job.
In some areas it doesn't work that way. Football management is a stressful thing and the manager must have 100% trust in his own people. That's why they tend to drag the same people around time and time again. Both manager and staff know that if the manager fails then his own people will end up jobless. We created a silly situation were there's a coach that is untouchable (not even by the manager) and whose chance of him getting a promotion is for the manager to fail. That's bad even if Giggs is the most geniune person on earth
To answer your question. I think that its time for him to get a feel of the real job. There's a big gap between being an assistant manager and being a manager and no amount of experience for the former will prepare you for the latter. If that was the case then the likes of Kidd, Mclaren and Phelan would be competing for the treble by now
You just asked those two questions for no reason at all in the middle of this thread? Not implying anything at all? I'm sure.
Again, you may well be right about the coaching system. That doesn't have anything to do with a person's nationality though so your two remarkably implicationless questions are still off.
Plus I already answered your second question. I can't list the number of managers but there have been very few.
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