Ryan Giggs | United confirm he's left

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Want him gone. Reminder of the past two regimes, clearly has his eyes on the top job.. we don't need that around Jose right now. I am sure Jose wants to be here for another 12 years ideally and settle down at this club and make it his own, Ryan isn't going to be happy with that so he needs to go out there and make his mark somewhere else.
 
Invictus said:
Being an assistant to the third successive United manager wouldn't sit well on Giggs' resume, IMO. Provided he has major managerial aspirations - he is at a crossroads, which could have big implications on his future. At a certain point, he has to venture out of the cocoon he's imposed on himself, or the club has imposed on him - to forge his own, independent path. You can do only so much as an assistant, and once you reach a decent level in terms of your understanding of the coaching side of the game - no amount of experience in a secondary position can compensate for the experience you've missed out as an actual manager - in terms of being the ultimate football authority at a club, managing expectations that come with the territory, putting his 'philosophy' into effect rather than adhering to someone else's, the pressure of big games and managing his personnel, and so forth.

If Mourinho is successful at United (hypothetical scenario), and is retained for the medium to long term, what exactly has Giggs gained as his assistant? And doesn't that leave him in a limbo in terms of staying on as the assistant, rather than being his own man somewhere else? And if/ when Mourinho leaves, does he have ironclad guarantees to inherit the throne, or will United do the pragmatic thing - and appoint the best man for the job with the managerial CV to back up his candidacy than a managerial novice with no real-time experience? Ryan needs a clean break. He needs to go out, and experience things from the POV of a manager, he needs to sink or swim. Sitting in the Old Trafford dugout for time immemorial would serve no purpose, unless his ambition is to insulate himself and give up on jobs elsewhere. In which case, it would ideal for the club to make it patently clear to the incumbent manager that Giggs isn't there to be groomed.

Nothing worse than the Sword of Democles hanging over Mourinho's head, and a member of his staff being after his position once he fails. Especially one who has friends on the media that can, and have put pressure on the United manager. Their intentions might be perfectly conscientious, but these things can snowball over time and cause interpersonal rifts reg. vested interests of certain individuals, and their motives (again, a matter of interpretation) - which isn't what you want at a time when the club needs to stabilize from its post-Fergie stupor.

Ryan deserves immense respect as a player, but him hanging on at Old Trafford would be akin to Gerrard being groomed by Liverpool under Klopp, and being assured of his chance when the German cocks things up - or Terry at Chelsea under Conti, and so forth. In contrast with that, Aitor Karanka had no managerial aspirations at Madrid, and wasn't being 'groomed' for the job when he worked under Mourinho. He's now building his own career at Middlesbrough. The latter's ok, the former's not, IMO.
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Completely agree.
 
If he's really scared of leaving United then he can stay and work in the academy or as an ambassador or something.

However this whole ridiculous idea of asking other managers to basically come in and groom him for the top job needs to be abandoned asap.
 
TheGame said:
Time for him to try out management. Maybe the Villa job?
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I think the job's too big for him. Villa need an experienced manager who can build the club up again from the ground up. Giggs needs a stable yet unspectacular club who just need some good coaching and a bit of inspiration.
 
Raees said:
Want him gone. Reminder of the past two regimes, clearly has his eyes on the top job.. we don't need that around Jose right now. I am sure Jose wants to be here for another 12 years ideally and settle down at this club and make it his own, Ryan isn't going to be happy with that so he needs to go out there and make his mark somewhere else.
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How do you know this. Are you Mendez.
 
Hopefully he leaves. Unless he is happy to be an assistant manager for the rest of his career he needs to move on and manage a club asap. Jose will be here for a minimum of two years, he can't keep waiting around to be handed the job.
 
Mourinhos biggest problems come when he gets paranoid. Keeping giggs around in his backroom staff sounds like a dreadful idea.
 
Drifter said:
How do you know this. Are you Mendez.
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If you have read his autobiographies, he talks about how being like Wenger and Fergie is one of his goals in management, he wants to prove he can be a long term manager. He's also very sensitive about the criticism people have regarding his ability to bring through youngsters.. his dream to manage United is also very prevalent in books.

It isn't 'cliche' to say this is his dream club, I think ever since he came to England.. this has been the club he has always wanted to settle down at. That doesn't mean 3-5 years, it means a long time because he wants to emulate Fergie. There is also the world cup dream and the desire to go into International management, so I think anything 10 years + is something he would love to achieve here. Whether it happens or not is heavily reliant on how successful he is, but I can be sure that he would not leave of his own accord.
 
The common denominator in United's last two failed managerial regimes.

Should prove himself in another club, and United could do without a senior employee constantly tarnishing the club's reputation with their off-field antics.
 
Should have took the Celtic job if he had the chance. Chance to work with a title winning squad, who are constantly favourites who are under massive pressure to win every week. The CL aspect would have given him a different experience in how to be tactically astute and deal with being the underdogs.
 
Scarecrow said:
Celtic appointed a new manager three days ago.
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Missed that. PL or Championship side will be the best for him, not sure how will it pan for him if he moves abroad for his first job(Neville experience in mind).
 
Raees said:
If you have read his autobiographies, he talks about how being like Wenger and Fergie is one of his goals in management, he wants to prove he can be a long term manager. He's also very sensitive about the criticism people have regarding his ability to bring through youngsters.. his dream to manage United is also very prevalent in books.

It isn't 'cliche' to say this is his dream club, I think ever since he came to England.. this has been the club he has always wanted to settle down at. That doesn't mean 3-5 years, it means a long time because he wants to emulate Fergie. There is also the world cup dream and the desire to go into International management, so I think anything 10 years + is something he would love to achieve here. Whether it happens or not is heavily reliant on how successful he is, but I can be sure that he would not leave of his own accord.
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Haven't read but parts of one -- did he talk about having an 8 year affair with his sister-in-law?

The part I did read was about how Ronaldo wasn't really that good in the 2003 Sporting game -- that Utd was tired from the flight. Doesn't say much about Giggs' ability to see talent.
 
steffyr2 said:
Haven't read but parts of one -- did he talk about having an 8 year affair with his sister-in-law?

The part I did read was about how Ronaldo wasn't really that good in the 2003 Sporting game -- that Utd was tired from the flight. Doesn't say much about Giggs' ability to see talent.
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I am so confused. My post was about Jose..
 
steffyr2 said:
Haven't read but parts of one -- did he talk about having an 8 year affair with his sister-in-law?

The part I did read was about how Ronaldo wasn't really that good in the 2003 Sporting game -- that Utd was tired from the flight. Doesn't say much about Giggs' ability to see talent.
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He was talking about Mourinho not Giggs.
 
In terms of his development as a future manager he should try and stay and do 2 years under Mourinho. Would be brilliant for him personally to learn Mourinho's methods etc. What an opportunity. 2 years wont hurt his future managerial career. After 2 years he should then go and have a go elsewhere on his own. He will have accumulated a huge amount of knowledge from time as a player, being coached by Fergie, the ill fated time under Moyes also valuable, his time under LVG and then some time with Mourinho. It would give him a better chance of success as a manager. Who knows if he can be a success but 2 years under Mourinho before leaving us to manage on his own has to be a help to him.
 
Stack said:
In terms of his development as a future manager he should try and stay and do 2 years under Mourinho. Would be brilliant for him personally to learn Mourinho's methods etc. What an opportunity. 2 years wont hurt his future managerial career. After 2 years he should then go and have a go elsewhere on his own. He will have accumulated a huge amount of knowledge from time as a player, being coached by Fergie, the ill fated time under Moyes also valuable, his time under LVG and then some time with Mourinho. It would give him a better chance of success as a manager. Who knows if he can be a success but 2 years under Mourinho before leaving us to manage on his own has to be a help to him.
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It's not a realistic opportunity tho. I think Jose will bin him on the spot. Hard to imagine he won't take Rui Faria for the AM spot, he has followed him pretty much everywhere.
 
Enigma_87 said:
It's not a realistic opportunity tho. I think Jose will bin him on the spot. Hard to imagine he won't take Rui Faria for the AM spot, he has followed him pretty much everywhere.
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I did say he should try and stay. I didnt make any mention of him being the #2. He doesnt have to be a number 2. I think he should try and be part of the backroom coaching team, the coaches who set up and work the training sessions, thats where the important and relevant knowledge is to be learned. Jose will need more than just Rui Faria to help him with that. Even if it meant he was out of the public eye its something I think Giggs would benefit from.
 
Enigma_87 said:
It's not a realistic opportunity tho. I think Jose will bin him on the spot. Hard to imagine he won't take Rui Faria for the AM spot, he has followed him pretty much everywhere.
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A lot of clubs have more than 1 assistant manager, Chelsea had 4 when Mourinho first returned, 3 that he brought in and Steve Holland who was already there.
 
Stack said:
I did say he should try and stay. I didnt make any mention of him being the #2. He doesnt have to be a number 2. I think he should try and be part of the backroom coaching team, the coaches who set up and work the training sessions, thats where the important and relevant knowledge is to be learned. Jose will need more than just Rui Faria to help him with that. Even if it meant he was out of the public eye its something I think Giggs would benefit from.
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I don't think Giggs would realistically make a step back and be just a regular coach. He should do exactly the opposite, keep his AM job or go for a manager position somewhere else.

limerickcitykid said:
A lot of clubs have more than 1 assistant manager, Chelsea had 4 when Mourinho first returned, 3 that he brought in and Steve Holland who was already there.
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Jose has his own entourage. Even if he didn't I don't see him and Giggs working well together. If it was Phelan - you can make a case for it, but Giggs.. I just can't see it.
 
I think Jose would love having Giggs as assistant and vice-versa.
 
Enigma_87 said:
I don't think Giggs would realistically make a step back and be just a regular coach. He should do exactly the opposite, keep his AM job or go for a manager position somewhere else.


Jose has his own entourage. Even if he didn't I don't see him and Giggs working well together. If it was Phelan - you can make a case for it, but Giggs.. I just can't see it.
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You didnt read my earlier post very well, in that I explained what the benefit would be. What he should be doing is making sure that he has all the tools he needs to have a chance at being successful, spending a season or 2 learning what Jose has done to be so successful is a huge opportunity. Being a backroom training pitch coach isnt a step back for any coach trying to learn.
 
The next manager (presumably Mourinho) does not need Giggs breathing down his neck and looking for any opportunity to pounce.

He's been the 2nd most important man of the 2 disastrous managements. Nothing justifies him staying here. He needs to go build his resume as a proper manager before he can be considered for a job here.
 
Get rid. Love Giggs the player, dislike Giggs the assistant manager, hate Giggs the man.

Anyway, it is time for him to strike out on his own and make a name for himself instead of hanging on to Manchester United's apron strings.
 
Vilev said:
I think Jose would love having Giggs as assistant and vice-versa.
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Until the first run of bad results by Mourinho sees Giggsy's old boys push forth another media agenda of how positive Ryan is and how well he analyses the opponents.
 
RedPnutz said:
Until the first run of bad results by Mourinho sees Giggsy's old boys push forth another media agenda of how positive Ryan is and how well he analyses the opponents.
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That is kind of a silly suggestion. I personally think all this agenda stuff is a complete nonsense. It's just LVG trying to plaster over cracks as big as Netherlands.
For example what Scholes said is exactly how i felt and what i would have said. Without knowing Giggs or anything.
 
Should prove himself as the manager of another club if he ever wants that job.
 
Do we really have to handicap the next manager (whoever the feck he is) with Giggs?

Let them bring their own trustworthy assistant, anyone working in top level football would need to have a trustworthy, reliable, dependable 2nd in command, who knows how to work together and complement each other.

Having an unknown quantity as his 2nd will only slow things down, they'll have to start understanding each other again from scratch, and instead of getting reliable input Jose will have to explain to Giggs why he did so and so, too much trouble for nothing
 
Time for Giggs to seek new pastures. If he does well as a manager elsewhere, then we can discuss whether he can be a United manager.
 
Duncan baldy castles says he is not staying and it is his own choice. Mou offered him a position but he rejected.
 
What about director of football? I personally believe him as AM is a bigger problem for the manager than many want to admit. It's like having an auditor around 24/7, only this time he has an eye for your job. As DOF everyone can go about their business without his direct involvement, till an opportune time for him to hopefully(not) take over as the club so desperately desire.
 
KikiDaKats said:
What about director of football? I personally believe him as AM is a bigger problem for the manager than many want to admit. It's like having an auditor around 24/7, only this time he has an eye for your job. As DOF everyone can go about their business without his direct involvement, till an opportune time for him to hopefully(not) take over as the club so desperately desire.
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Why?

What's he done to show he can be a director of football? You have to identify players and have to be very good at negotiating. Giggs hasn't shown those qualities.

You can say Neville has shown them as he used to go to contract talks to Fergie with some of the younger players.

It's not a job for the lads. We need to hire the right people rather than be sentimental.
 
Bojan11 said:
Why?

What's he done to show he can be a director of football? You have to identify players and have to be very good at negotiating. Giggs hasn't shown those qualities.

You can say Neville has shown them as he used to go to contract talks to Fergie with some of the younger players.

It's not a job for the lads. We need to hire the right people rather than be sentimental.
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As understudy at United, with no DOF one would assume the manager undertakes partially some of those duties. What's to say he can't learn? If he has his badge, then he already knows what the job is about anyway.
 
KikiDaKats said:
As understudy at United, with no DOF one would assume the manager undertakes partially some of those duties. What's to say he can't learn? If he has his badge, then he already knows what the job is about anyway.
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Yeah lets hire beckham the tactical genius, Roy the disciplinarian, scholes the tackle master, Rio the drig inspector. Why cant they learn ? Manager will be taking the duties any way.
Giggs as the dof is the funniest idea i have ever heard.
 
KikiDaKats said:
As understudy at United, with no DOF one would assume the manager undertakes partially some of those duties. What's to say he can't learn? If he has his badge, then he already knows what the job is about anyway.
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He can go learn elsewhere.

It isn't healthy keeping someone who wants the managers job especially around someone like Mourinho.
 
Giggs needs to leave and manage somewhere else to see what he's got.

He shouldn't be at the club.
 
Maradona10 said:
Yeah lets hire beckham the tactical genius, Roy the disciplinarian, scholes the tackle master, Rio the drig inspector. Why cant they learn ? Manager will be taking the duties any way.
Giggs as the dof is the funniest idea i have ever heard.
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Funny? Really? He is currently the managers understudy and in your own words the manager is already doing it.
My thinking is based on.. If he so desires for the good of the club, why is this particular positions that is being so often talked about not under consideration.
 
KikiDaKats said:
Funny? Really? He is currently the managers understudy and in your own words the manager is already doing it.
My thinking is based on.. If he so desires for the good of the club, why is this particular positions that is being so often talked about not under consideration.
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I was being sarcastic. I hope you are wumming.
 
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