He said he hopes united don't do something stupid likemake Giggs director of football.
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That's why I said it would be stupid to have him as DoF. If Jose doesn't want him on his team, it's best if Giggs isn't in a position where he can influence Mourinho.
Even if it is hypothetical, just the idea of Giggs becoming a director of football at United is utterly absurd and the fact it is even being mentioned hypothetically tells me the whole situation has goten out of hand. The man is qualified for one thing: to be a football coach. That's it. The fact that he generates so much debate is bad enough, because it really shouldn't have got to the point where fans are bickering about whether he should become manager or what role he should play with us going forward. He should either put those coaching badges to use and become a coach and go about his business quietly - meaning telling his friends to stop briefing the media for him - or he should go elsewhere to fulfil his ambition of becoming a manager, if that's what he ultimately wants to be.
We've never had any of this with Brian McClair, Nicky Butt, or even Mike Phelan (he was assistant, how is he any less qualified than Giggs?). They got on with the jobs they were given and that was that. Then the likes of Solskjaer, Bruce, Ince, Hughes etc went off and forged their own careers. Whether they are successful or not is irrelevant, but I respect them for showing ambition to build their own careers away from United. It's a path that Giggs needs to follow.
I find myself asking the question: could Giggs go to Porto and emulate Mourinho? Could he win a treble, could he ever be in contention for the Madrid and Chelsea jobs? Could he win a treble at Inter? Probably not. But could he go to Ajax and win the CL like van Gaal? Could he even go to Everton and emulate Moyes? Obviously we don't know, but they are questions he needs to answer is some capacity before he's considered for the United job. Mourinho has had to wait a long time and become one of the most successful managers in history to finally be given the job, and van Gaal - despite ultimately being considered a failure - was given the job because he had won numerous trophies. My point is these people earned their right to be manager of Manchester United. And frankly if Giggs had have been given the job (thankfully he wasn't), it would have been no different to the Moyes appointment, in that he didn't earn it because of what he knows, but because of who he knows (Ferguson).
So whether Giggs is good enough to become a great manager and earn the United job on merit is something we can't answer, but it's a question he now needs to go and answer. A line needs to be drawn under it all and we all need to move on. A fresh start for us all; a new era.
We've never had any of this with Brian McClair, Nicky Butt, or even Mike Phelan (he was assistant, how is he any less qualified than Giggs?). They got on with the jobs they were given and that was that. Then the likes of Solskjaer, Bruce, Ince, Hughes etc went off and forged their own careers. Whether they are successful or not is irrelevant, but I respect them for showing ambition to build their own careers away from United. It's a path that Giggs needs to follow.
I find myself asking the question: could Giggs go to Porto and emulate Mourinho? Could he win a treble, could he ever be in contention for the Madrid and Chelsea jobs? Could he win a treble at Inter? Probably not. But could he go to Ajax and win the CL like van Gaal? Could he even go to Everton and emulate Moyes? Obviously we don't know, but they are questions he needs to answer is some capacity before he's considered for the United job. Mourinho has had to wait a long time and become one of the most successful managers in history to finally be given the job, and van Gaal - despite ultimately being considered a failure - was given the job because he had won numerous trophies. My point is these people earned their right to be manager of Manchester United. And frankly if Giggs had have been given the job (thankfully he wasn't), it would have been no different to the Moyes appointment, in that he didn't earn it because of what he knows, but because of who he knows (Ferguson).
So whether Giggs is good enough to become a great manager and earn the United job on merit is something we can't answer, but it's a question he now needs to go and answer. A line needs to be drawn under it all and we all need to move on. A fresh start for us all; a new era.
The feck disease are we suffering from at this club? Must we shoehorn every Tom Dick and Harry into positions they are not meant for or deserve, both on and off the pitch?
I feel like these posts are aimed at me and the Giggs becoming DoF thing. If not, apologies in advance. But I just want to clarify, I DO NOT WANT Giggs to be appointed DoF. I said I hope we don't do something that stupid.
Also, come on, apart from Nicky Butt, who have we put into positions of power? Nicky Butt has been working with the youth teams for quite some time and it is possible the hierarchy may have seen something there. After the Moyes disaster, both our managerial appointments have got the job on the basis of their CV. Giggs will likely not be a part of Jose's staff and will likely leave the club to start his managerial career. If Mourinho wanted him as assistant, it probably would've been announced by now.
Definitely not aimed you mate. Was making reference to Rooney being an undroppable part of the team despite his obvious decline and inferiority to many players in both striking and midfield departments and the amount of reports and debate over what role Giggs should play at the club after being a part of 3 horrid seasons and showing no support for either regime.
I know this might be unpopular.
IMO he should have gone last summer.
The fact that there was debate in the press as far back as a year ago suggesting he was stabbing LVG in the back made his position untenable.
LVG every couple of weeks was feidling questions about his relationship with Giggs and if they are on the same page. There were ex Man utd players going on talksport saying Giggs doesn't fancy LVG ffs.
I cannot remember any situation like that between manager and assistant since I've been watching football.
Some might say it's media conjecture but it couldn't have been good for the team. No way.
You also have media reports of players briefing journalists that they liked Giggs but disliked LVG. That they wanted the manager gone even though he had a year left on his contract and his assistant installed.
IMO, Giggs shouldn't take up any position at the club. As long as he's at the club, there will be people in the press and even ex players calling for Giggs to get the job. In fact, it's already started. (Dwight Yorke).
There is no way Mourinho can be comfortable with that situation. The fact that they haven't even spoken tells me Mourinho doesn't want him around. If we are serious about giving Mourinho the necessary climate to succeed, then we should do what needs to be done.
IMO he should have gone last summer.
The fact that there was debate in the press as far back as a year ago suggesting he was stabbing LVG in the back made his position untenable.
LVG every couple of weeks was feidling questions about his relationship with Giggs and if they are on the same page. There were ex Man utd players going on talksport saying Giggs doesn't fancy LVG ffs.
I cannot remember any situation like that between manager and assistant since I've been watching football.
Some might say it's media conjecture but it couldn't have been good for the team. No way.
You also have media reports of players briefing journalists that they liked Giggs but disliked LVG. That they wanted the manager gone even though he had a year left on his contract and his assistant installed.
IMO, Giggs shouldn't take up any position at the club. As long as he's at the club, there will be people in the press and even ex players calling for Giggs to get the job. In fact, it's already started. (Dwight Yorke).
There is no way Mourinho can be comfortable with that situation. The fact that they haven't even spoken tells me Mourinho doesn't want him around. If we are serious about giving Mourinho the necessary climate to succeed, then we should do what needs to be done.
They're not aimed at you. They're aimed at the club. Who need to clarity this ridiculous situation. You cannot force a coach/ assistant manager on three regimes ffs. I don't care about what he's done for the club, it shouldn't be.
Well, Rooney is doing OK in midfield so we may yet be pleasantly surprised. And it seems likely, Giggs is out so it seems the manager's decision over how he wants to shape the club. The debate is meaningless if Mourinho gets rid.
Agreed completely. As long as Giggs is at the club, or at least in a footballing role, all it would take is for our manager to have one period of bad form before the 'what about Giggs as United boss?' brigade start again. I think Giggs needs to come out and make it clear he doesn't want the United job for now and he is fully behind the new manager, just as all the fans are. Jose, or any manager we appoint after Jose should he fail, already have the burden of replacing Fergie on their shoulders, they could do without another unnecessary distraction.
Not unpopular IMO, just plain sensible. We don't need the cloud of Giggs hanging over any managerial reign.
I blame all this ruckus on whoever came up with the idea that Giggs will be next manager after LVG. He could have just retired and slipped into oblivion and no one would have noticed.
I'm pretty certain he could emulate Moyes...at United
Me too, that's the problem.Whether Giggs should stay or leave the Club is another debate. Why cant Woodward just respect people who have served the Club diligently instead if leaking stories at every turn. First it was Moyes, then LvG and now its Giggs. Why cant employees leave the Club with respect and dignity.
I hope someone with United roots will be appointed in the coaching staff to champion the cause of the Academy players otherwise I dont see many of them getting a chance especially if we buy lots of 30m rated youngsters.
I hope someone with United roots will be appointed in the coaching staff to champion the cause of the Academy players otherwise I dont see many of them getting a chance especially if we buy lots of 30m rated youngsters.
Why would you assume the stories are being leaked by Ed? It makes no sense.
Secondly, we don't need someone with United roots to champion the Academy. How many top class youngsters have we really turned out since 1992? The answer is not many. If the players are good enough to make it I am quite certain they will be given chances.
Top post!
And if he excels does he not believe that Manchester United would move heaven and earth to get him!
Deep down in my guts, i'm certain Giggs won't do anything outside United to earn the job because personally I don't think he's a good manager at all. That's why his people wanted him to get the job after LVG's sacking, it was the only way he was going to get it. Before anybody quotes me to tell me that I couldn't possibly know how good a manager he is because I don't live in Old Trafford to see the (alledged) amazing behind the scenes work he does, it's just my opinion.
Yeah top post
I don't think about hundred others haven't almost word for word posted that in this very thread
supposedly in running for the Forest job.
Came here to post this. Favourite with the bookies for it. Nicely sized job for his first managerial position, imo.
For this to happen you need a Manager who trust the youth/Academy players not 30m priced 21yr olds. By all accounts everyone has doubts about Jose having faith in Academy players considering that by his own admisssion he claims 10mins game time is enough for him to tell if a young Academy player is ready or not. Using that logic none of Rashford/CBJ/TFM would be in 1st Team because they all didnt have great first 10mins on their debuts. So this is where you need someone who understands the importance of Academy Youth players at United to nudge the Manager to have a bit of faith
And yet Jose has actually had a history of bringing through or playing youngsters like Ben Sahar, Davide Santone, Morata, Joselu, Casemiro, Loftus-Cheek, Carvalho, Balotelli, and Varane. If they are good enough they will play.
Robson and Yorke.
Two employees of the club....When the shit hit the fan with LvG over Christmas, they could not shut up giving interviews talking Giggs up for the job. When Moyes was under pressure, according to Mitten, they were told not to answer any questions about Moyes' job. A few Mod's on here take Mitten's word as Gospel so make of it what you will
Fergie....He gave an interview back in February, talking Poch(spelling?) up and Giggs....Never said a word about LvG.
It was said that Giggs was the plan after LvG.....To even think their wasn't a hint of a pro Giggs agenda from certain angles is ignorant at best. Ridiculously stupid at worst
Hope Giggsy gets the job at Forest though. Great club for a great player to start his career, outside of playing, properly. Look forward to following him and hope he kills it! (in a good way obviously)
Two employees of the club....When the shit hit the fan with LvG over Christmas, they could not shut up giving interviews talking Giggs up for the job. When Moyes was under pressure, according to Mitten, they were told not to answer any questions about Moyes' job. A few Mod's on here take Mitten's word as Gospel so make of it what you will
Fergie....He gave an interview back in February, talking Poch(spelling?) up and Giggs....Never said a word about LvG.
It was said that Giggs was the plan after LvG.....To even think their wasn't a hint of a pro Giggs agenda from certain angles is ignorant at best. Ridiculously stupid at worst
Hope Giggsy gets the job at Forest though. Great club for a great player to start his career, outside of playing, properly. Look forward to following him and hope he kills it! (in a good way obviously)
Mirror reporting he's likely to take a brake.
Break from what? Being assistant manager?
Which fits in what was said earlier about him being released with Van Gaal once Mourinho said he didn't want him and the club giving him a chance to find a new job so he could leave without the embarrassment of not being wanted.
Honestly disappointed if Giggs is not assistant manager next season. Giggs is the only legend left that can educate the new players about the history of this great club.
I hate to see us turn into Arsenal. We need to keep legends like Giggs in an important position to preserve the club's soul and passion.
I still believe Mourinho will be gone after 2 years. Mourinho track record isn't good long term. Which is why we need Giggs to succeed.
I hate to see us turn into Arsenal. We need to keep legends like Giggs in an important position to preserve the club's soul and passion.
I still believe Mourinho will be gone after 2 years. Mourinho track record isn't good long term. Which is why we need Giggs to succeed.
Utter hubris. What you're talking about is turning us into Liverpool.
Drivel.
FS, there are TONS of ways new players can learn and fall in love with the club if they want to. Hell, reading the clubs Wiki probably tells them enough about Manchester United. Not that it's a requirement to be successful at all of course but let's keep the romantic jizz going.
Our young players like Rashford and Depay look up to Giggs. Like it or not Giggs and Rooney are inspirational figures in our club. Without them, we would become just like Arsenal. It would be impossible to win big games without figures like Giggs and Rooney in the dressing room.
25 years from now we'll be hearing giggs talking about how they do things back in the days.
No wonder depay is shit
In my opinion Giggs needs to start to understand that as much as we laud his time as a player here at OT and that will always be held in the highest regard, the same can't be said for what I see as the majority of fans when it comes to discussing his suitability, ability or talent in being considered a future United manager. He needs to stop being a Mummy's boy, leave home and prove himself!
We do need someone whose got a good grasp of the club's history, what it represents and give a voice to fans and those traditions. That's acknowledged by most big clubs including Juventus (Nedved), Inter (Zanetti), Bayern (Rummenigge) etc. However that's a director's role.
The assistant manager's role is different. The AM tend to be someone whom the manager can trust, who had worked with the manager and who shares the manager's philosophy. In some occasions, when the manager is new to the country he would hire somebody inside the club to help him understand the club culture. However
a- he's usually someone who went up the ranks as youth coach, he had been there for years and therefore knows first hand the youth system.
b- Mou is one of the most successful manager in the EPL. He won it all, time and time again.
Giggs fails on both counts.
Once Sir Bobby and Sir Alex retire I believe Giggs should be in pole position to succeed them. However at this stage, he shouldn't aim for Man United AM especially since he lack experience and is not wanted by the manager
The assistant manager's role is different. The AM tend to be someone whom the manager can trust, who had worked with the manager and who shares the manager's philosophy. In some occasions, when the manager is new to the country he would hire somebody inside the club to help him understand the club culture. However
a- he's usually someone who went up the ranks as youth coach, he had been there for years and therefore knows first hand the youth system.
b- Mou is one of the most successful manager in the EPL. He won it all, time and time again.
Giggs fails on both counts.
Once Sir Bobby and Sir Alex retire I believe Giggs should be in pole position to succeed them. However at this stage, he shouldn't aim for Man United AM especially since he lack experience and is not wanted by the manager
He should ask his buddy Gary Neville how he managed to get the Valencia job. Seriously, hope he gets an opportunity in the Championship to prove himself.
If new players want to learn about the clubs history then I'm sure they'll be welcome on one of the tours of Old Trafford. Or they can read Wikipedia, or they can go and talk to one of the club ambassadors, or they can do a web chat with some United fans. To insist that Giggs is needed as an assistant manager to educate new players about our history is one of the most ridiculous things I've read.
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