Is that the guy I'm always told to hire as physio on FM?
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Is that the guy I'm always told to hire as physio on FM?
Agreed, or closed until there is some new information. It has been weeks since anything new has been offered on the matter and yet we still have users in here fabricating cringeworthy scenario's and then starting circular arguments with them.
IN short, Mourinho thinks he is a snake
Fairly natural thoughts to have about Giggs given what's happened over the past three seasons.
It's amazing that people will actually believe this crap.
How is Mourinho not wanting Giggs as his assistant not believable?
I'd say it's more the reasons they're giving. Him being friends with Scholes is likely to have feck all to do with Mourinho's decision.
I never said it isn't
Smart decision by Mourinho
Yes that part sounds like bullshit. But Mourinho could be wondering why Sholes was so critical of LVG with Giggs as is assistant and they being close friends.
As I said it's probably BS. Mourinho knows Giggs wants his job and that's the most important reason.
Was this reported from a comment Mourinho has made?
No I don't think Mourinho has been speaking about Giggs in public
Fact of the matter is, in any job and field, you wouldn't want to work with someone who is eyeing to replace you. Maybe the way the reports are written is a tad bit sensationalized, but it is perfectly believable IMO.
this is a huge myth. Its simply not true. In my job its exactly what happens.
Let alone one where the person eyeing your job is already golden boy with the senior management and has numerous friends in the media campaigning for him.
Mourinho is a paranoid individual, there's no denying it, so it is definitely for the best that Giggs is out the way. If there is one scenario that we want to avoid, it's Mourinho's first patch of adversity coinciding with certain individuals talking about how he's "too restrictive on the players" or "not attacking enough for United"... of course there's someone waiting in the wings to bring back that environment where the players can relax a bit, play with a bit of creative freedom, fast wingers and counter attacking play...
I just want giggs gone no matter what. Completely gone from the club.
What's taking so long? Did he permanently move to Dubai or something?
We sure are acting like a coward when it comes to giggs and rooney.
We sure are acting like a coward when it comes to giggs and rooney.
wouldn't you change that if you had the chance?
My sincerest condolences if that's the case. Sounds like a horrible job environment. I mean, I know you will eventually train your replacement when you decide to leave/retire, but constantly working with someone who's endgame is to take your job? That's not healthy at all.
Couldn't agree more. There is so much riding on this job for Jose and United, it would be best for both parties to give each other their complete support. Giggs might be a club legend, but in between having his mouthpieces in the media, him deciding to roam the touchline during one of the tougher spells of the VG era, and his general inexperience, such presence is not healthy for the situation that Mou and the club finds themselves in.
Its the nature of life. A huge number of jobs have employees who have eyes on the person above them's job. I find this whole angle amusing as it conveniently ignores reality for most people in employment. Not sure what planet some of you are on.
Yep. Isn't that the hierarchy system in a lot of organisations? The people who report to you are all trying to move up and take your place. If you do well and surpass your peers, you'll take the place of the guy you report to or moved to a better/bigger role. If not, you'll be sidelined.
I don't think you can compare football management with a run in the mill job. Its a niche market, which is highly stressful, highly volatile and highly specialised. The manager has to have complete trust in his own people and the latter know that if the manager fails then they will lose their highly paid job. I can't understand why people are so worked up about it. Most top managers including SAF had surrounded himself with people he could trust. Even our own Phil had said that he want to become manager so that he can have his own people around him
This might be true but how many jobs are comparable in the weight of expectations, dependence on results and insecurity to manager of united? In most other situations, the incumbent's job is much more secure and they can afford to be much more relaxed about subordinates eyeing their job; they may even be supportive of such ambitions.
It seems to me Giggs wasn't fully supportive of both Moyes and LvG and so we can't blame Mourinho for being wary of him. I personally think Van Gaal trusted Giggs too much.
But if they're not being professional it's natural for the boss to eliminate them first, talking in a real world dog eat dog perspective.
Anyone is replaceable, but if they're actively trying to undermine the current boss that's not good in any environment.
Absolutely. Fwiw, the kind of scenario which stack or I mentioned doesn't go for football anyways. It's totally different to normal jobs we have.
What I believe the problem is for many, as it is me, is that the Manchester United job is at the very tip of a profession. It’s the pinnacle of job of a who industry / sector.
Therefore, to be just beneath that tip……….with a view to getting there. It should be a prerequisite that you have worked your way up and deserved the position.
In any other industry, when somebody starts at the top its rarely a success without getting a grounding and ganing experience.
Therefore, to be just beneath that tip……….with a view to getting there. It should be a prerequisite that you have worked your way up and deserved the position.
In any other industry, when somebody starts at the top its rarely a success without getting a grounding and ganing experience.
As usual you will try and move the goalposts. Every single professional football player has someone in the squad wanting to win their starting spot. Football and football management are an environment where its highly competitive.
There are a ton of great reasons why Giggs shouldnt be the next Utd manager. It seems to me that those who are the most fanatically anti his becoming Utds next manager are spinning the most common of situations to paint a picture that fits that view. there should be some sort of sensible balance in all of this.
We need a clean break from the Moyes and LVG era and unfortunately Giggs is part of that, for me he needs to move on but the problem he is not going to get a manager's job unless he moves to a lower league club.
Do you actually, seriously think that won't happen anyway? Considering he's not worked with Giggs before and has had plenty of shit off the media. Maybe Giggs was orchestrating all that as well
You should give a class on being paranoid to Mourinho!
Not really, we're talking about management and coaching here. Giggs is not a player anymore. Now would you force someone in SAF's coaching staff? I doubt it. Same here
Do you know what Inter's treble (not the FA cup tin cup) assistant manager is doing at Inter at the moment? Giuseppe Baresi is currently their scout. We're talking here about a man whose been a legend and a homegrown talent at the club as player same as Giggs was, whom unlike Giggs had worked his way up by coaching in the youth academy and has actually won youth trophies including youth leagues and the prestigious (back then) tournament of Viareggio and who was Mou's right hand man. He doesn't complain about it (although his daughter did called Mancini a coward for not having the courage to demote her own father in his face) and just got on with it. On the other side of the barricade, Tassotti is fairing even worse. A legend at the club and a key coach/assistant for both Ancelotti and Allegri, the man's career had gone up and down with every administration. In matter of fact he covered a wide variety of roles from interim manager to scout. God knows what he's doing now (I suspect they actually sacked him).That's football for you. The club choose the manager and the manager choose the people he wants to surround himself with. Its that simple.
Giggs was without doubt a great player but he's got quite a weak CV as assistant. He has barely ever coached youth talent and he's been assistant in two failed administrations were in both cases information had been leaked (a big no no). Is he guilty of all that? God knows. What is certain is that Mou can't be 100% sure about whether he can trust him or not. So can you blame him for 'torching' the whole place to the ground and rebuilt it from scratch? I don't. If Mou fails than its his future and that of his people that are on the line.
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Still going on about this?. Why are cafe members so desperate for him to leave.How does him being there effect you in your daily lives.
It doesn't. Do you only discuss things that effect your daily life on here?
I don't blame Jose for thinking that if it is in fact true.
Why don't Giggs take a job local to Manchester? somewhere like Bury or Crewe would be a good place for him to do his management grounding. Good clubs with similar attacking and bringing through youth traditions as United, especially Crewe with Dario Gradi.
That way he is close enough for us to keep an eye over him, but he will be his own man.
That way he is close enough for us to keep an eye over him, but he will be his own man.
So tiresome, goal posts always moving...
This is all an educated guess, coming from someone who had been following clubs who had loads of changes throughout their history and had been in this situation countless of times.
I think that Mou doesn't want Giggs in his coaching staff. The reasons to that can be various (ie he may not need a local assistant manager since he knows the EPL inside out or else he may have talked with LVG (he probably did) and the feedback given wasn't nice etc) and at this stage unimportant. I also think that United have offered him an administrative job similar to what they offered to Butt and which keep Giggs at OT without being in contact with Mou. Giggs is probably not happy with it but have decided to keep all options open, see if he can get a better job elsewhere and only decide whether he accepts it or not after the end of summer.
I think that Mou doesn't want Giggs in his coaching staff. The reasons to that can be various (ie he may not need a local assistant manager since he knows the EPL inside out or else he may have talked with LVG (he probably did) and the feedback given wasn't nice etc) and at this stage unimportant. I also think that United have offered him an administrative job similar to what they offered to Butt and which keep Giggs at OT without being in contact with Mou. Giggs is probably not happy with it but have decided to keep all options open, see if he can get a better job elsewhere and only decide whether he accepts it or not after the end of summer.
I think the club is trying to move him on without a pr mess. They don't want to make it look like he's been chased away.
If the news about Giggs being offered the U21 role are true which he has rejected than quite frankly I couldn't give a damn about how it looks if he was given the boot. I would love to see a pic of Giggs with a large cardboard box with all his medals, fumbling to get into his car.
Giggs is one of my all-time fav player. However he has not has been a shining in the management roles he has been in so far.
Why not just accept that, eat humble pie and see what he can learn from Mourinho -- who you know wont be there long term whereas Giggs could potentially be a lifer.
Why not just accept that, eat humble pie and see what he can learn from Mourinho -- who you know wont be there long term whereas Giggs could potentially be a lifer.
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