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Ryan Giggs | United confirm he's left
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Isn't the whole Giggs thing ultimately an irritating side-show? I doubt Mou wants any other silver foxes distracting from his ego.
Its tough even for my standards
There's no conflict of interest though. It's non direct competition in the sense that when one doesnt play hr can't change the outcome of the player he's trying to replace.
Assistant manager is a different story, there'll be conflict of interest all over.
Spot a mistake? Brilliant idea? But hey the man the job I'm eyeing for might get the blame or credit.
Tough coming from you makes it seem even worse now.
Think it's a matter of time before Giggs leaves.
If there was a position available that Giggs wanted, it would've been announced with much fanfare by now.
If he does indeed stay, it's probably because he couldn't find anything he wanted outside so just stayed around, which would be a disaster.
If there was a position available that Giggs wanted, it would've been announced with much fanfare by now.
If he does indeed stay, it's probably because he couldn't find anything he wanted outside so just stayed around, which would be a disaster.
Honestly, I am a bit indifferent to all this Giggs speculation. For the first time in awhile I am looking forward regarding to Man Utd. Wanting to see what impact Mourinho will have, how we will play under him, what we will acheive. Relative to all that, whether Giggs will be a coach under Jose or not feels a bit like a sideshow. Ultimately, the reigns of Moyes and Van Gaal show, Giggs being part of the coaching staff won't make any different to Man Utd on the pitch. I'd rather just have a line drawn under it.
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Tough coming from you makes it seem even worse now.
I support Manchester United nothing more nothing less. I can't care less about the players and once/if they aren't good enough in their role I want them out. However I wish them all the best (unless that screws our club future) and I certainly don't hate them
Apparantely Jose will veto any move to assistant manager because he believes he will not be loyal to him. It certainly ties to the presses narrative that Giggs wasn't found of Van Gaals football tactics but is that really all it is maybe? A report that links to the narrative and not anything with an ounce of truth?
Said that in jest man. Added the smiley to make the message clear.
I know. I just wanted to explain myself.
Amazing how no one knew what Phelan did as assistant manager but knows everything about Giggs including plotting a coup at United.
I read the article. Mourinho hasn't even made any attempt to speak to Giggs. Clear sign he doesn't want him anywhere near his staff.
Because Sir Alex has mentioned Phelan many times in his autobiographies?
Also I don't think anyone claims to know for sure if Giggs is plotting a coup. A lot are sensible opinions based on his past actions or lack thereof.
If we could only post things we know for sure or can produce a docket of proof for, then 99% of this forum wouldn't exist.
The dynamic of football manager and his assistant is not supposed to be dog eat dog. Its about support and trust, not sink or swim. That tweet above about Giggs distancing himself from Moyes and LVG has merit. Pretty sure it got to a stage where Giggs wouldn't sit near Moyes on the bench
if Jose smells a rat he wont keep quiet about it
It is this sense of entitlement vibe I get from Giggs that I dont like.
Yes, he is a legend and was a great player. How did that help Mark Hughes in management? How did that help Roy Keane in management? It is a totally different skillset.
If you are such shit hot manager material that you expect to be in contemplation for the United job, or the very least the assistant manager, then go prove yourself at another club ffs.
Mourinho probably won't be here for more than 3-5 years. Well, then you have 3-5 years to prove your skills as a manager at a lesser club, now go do it.
Yes, he is a legend and was a great player. How did that help Mark Hughes in management? How did that help Roy Keane in management? It is a totally different skillset.
If you are such shit hot manager material that you expect to be in contemplation for the United job, or the very least the assistant manager, then go prove yourself at another club ffs.
Mourinho probably won't be here for more than 3-5 years. Well, then you have 3-5 years to prove your skills as a manager at a lesser club, now go do it.
So perhaps you, wise one, can give us a master class of how to write, argue and reason?
Are we still talking about this guy?
Mourinho doesn't want him, Mourinho is the manager, what more needs to be said?
Go away, become a top manager in your own right, then we might talk some way down the line. Right now you're just a bad smell.
Mourinho doesn't want him, Mourinho is the manager, what more needs to be said?
Go away, become a top manager in your own right, then we might talk some way down the line. Right now you're just a bad smell.
So perhaps you, wise one, can give us a master class of how to write, argue and reason?
Sure, I can.
I only take female students, though - so keep that in mind.
And I charge one metric ton of ale (not lager) for the first lesson (the rest are free, provided I don't kill you, which I probably will).
On a slightly more serious note, though, given the fact that you've responded to a general swipe at terrible posters who have shared their “insights” in this particular thread, I'm inclined to think you feel unfairly assessed – and that you've taken my swipe as directed at you in some shape or form.
That would be my interpretation. It's possible, of course, that you were just standing up for swipe victims everywhere – and/or were reacting to what you perceived as me being a high-horsin' feckface. If it's the latter, then fair enough. I am that. And it was a post made in anger – or exasperation, or something like that. I see no reason not to divulge that.
It was hardly uncalled for, though – given the nature of many posts in this thread. The content is horrible – shocking logic, not to mention grammar or general “hey, I'm a cnut with an agenda – here's me posting yet again!” factor. That's the objective truth – it's not just me.
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Mourinho fears for his wife.
If his own wife doesn't trust him, why should José?
Let him go out & prove himself.
Let him go out & prove himself.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. A link, one link, to Giggs saying he is entitled to the job please?
He said he gets a vibe.
He said he gets a vibe. Why would Giggs say that?
And the rest of the post? Wtf is a vibe anyway other than your own opinion?
The word "entitlement" keeps popping up re Giggs in here and there's no basis for it. He might think he's good enough. He might even have been promised it at one point. But nowhere have we seen or heard anything that suggests he feels "entitled" That's a different ball game.
In many ways, yes. Which rendered your request for a link pointless, as suggested.
Hardly. The poster clearly thinks that Giggs feels "entitled" and the point is that there is no basis to think this because the man himself has never uttered those sentiments.
I can't access the article, is there any truth or fact that can justify the opening line? Or is it another case of a paper just saying what they think and the lemmings believing it and patting each other on the back for their fanciful, bizarre, deduced logic scenario's and conspiracy theories?
No need to call anyone who doesn't share your viewpoint a rodent, totally uncalled for.
You need to learn how to not insult other posters just because they have a different viewpoint
Nah his daughter
Nah I think his post was fine, let's not get touchy all of a sudden... Especially when our own players get rinsed on here and nobody bats an eyelid...
It's just another opinion piece. Believable but still conjecture.
Thanks, unsurprising to hear this considering the reaction.
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I think he should leave. I know it's all paper talk but apparently when the chips were down for both Moyes and van Gaal he was soon quick to distance himself from them and offered very little support.
I think he needs experience managing a team. He went straight into assistant manager and got a good deal of experience, but to really learn the ropes he has to get his hands dirty. Pep, who some seem to think he might be like, had the experience of lower league management in Spain and I don't think that experience should be ignored.
I would hate to see him leave but I feel if he wants to manage at the top level he has to rid himself of the notion that he will fall into the job.
I would hate to see him leave but I feel if he wants to manage at the top level he has to rid himself of the notion that he will fall into the job.
That's the killer blow right there. When the flak was coming in from ex players/pundits, Ryan offered nothing publically in defence of the two previous incumbents. You need all staff and players singing from the same song sheet, not distancing themselves or positioning themselves as the next candidate.
Why? I genuinely see no good reason for the Giggs hate on here. What's he done wrong?
The choice should be with Mourinho- as in we shouldn't force Giggs on to his coaching staff. If Jose explicitly asks for Giggs to be on his coaching staff, nothing like it; if he doesn't want Giggs by his side, it should be goodbye Giggsy.
The fact that Giggs still hasn't been offered the job (that we know of) would suggest Mourinho doesn't like the idea of working with him (understandably so). I really hope we don't do something stupid like make him Director of Football or have him replace Warren Joyce- who seems to be doing a fantastic job with our young players- as the U-21 coach.
He storms out of training during moyes. Very confrontional. If he didn't do it and it's all the media he can say a word or two denying it.
He goes to the touchline against lvg instructions in front of everyone.
A dof who wants the manager job is even more conflicting than assistant manager.
Imagine jose wants lukaku and he got steven fletcher.
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