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Ryan Giggs | United confirm he's left
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I see it more as being brought back down to earth than a demotion.
Any news about Giggs?
Been a bit quiet lately.
Been a bit quiet lately.
An assistant manager isn't there to "learn" from the manager, he is there to help the manager. Look at Ferguson in the past and how his teams performed poorly when the assistant managers weren't good, yet the likes of Meulensteen and Queiroz ended up being complete jokes when they were given a chance to be full managers in other clubs. The skillset to be a successful assistant manager is very different from that to be a successful manager, and Giggs probably could learn more managing an U-21 side than he would being an assistant manager. He would actually learn how to develop young players, come up with tactics, not crack when things aren't going well................
Got turned down by Bolton apparently.
No news is good news.
I honestly don't know why anyone would want him.
According to your tagline, it looks like you're quite interested
I've been rooting for him ever since Moyes was cruelly and unjustly removed.
Certainly not in the premier but you'd think a club a tier below might. Seems Southampton weren't too fussed either.
What, from his job at Everton?
Weird that this hasn't been resolved.
It has. Giggs just can't take a hint.
It's kinda strange that it's almost mid June and he hasn't announced a decision yet. In few weeks the players will start training and we don't even know mourinho's coaching team yet.
Probably he is looking for a new job but not found one yet. Doubt it will be announced til he has found something. Else he'll stay until he does.
It's been resolved. He's not employed by the club anymore. He was let go along with the rest of LvG's staff. He is not going to be part of Mourinho's staff. If he was, he'd already have been appointed by now in some capacity.
IMO, there is a lot of "saving face" going atm
They found him hiding in one of the boxes in the United megastore. Once he got caught he managed to escape and he vanished quickly in one of OT corridors. They haven't seen him ever since.
I think you're right. I expect he's on gardening leave without it being officially announced which gives him the summer to find a new club and "Ryan Giggs has decided to leave the club as he's had a great offer from..."
The trouble is, there really isn't going to be a queue to hire him as manager and it'll be very embarrassing for him to "decide" to leave his senior coaching position here for a senior coaching position at a lesser club.
IF he's really been offered the U21 team to manage, I think he shuld jump at that opportunity.. Why?
Because it gives him the chance to gain valuable experience within our setup, and stay relatively out of the lime light whilst getting on and doing something he's passionate about. ie coaching.
Because it gives him the chance to gain valuable experience within our setup, and stay relatively out of the lime light whilst getting on and doing something he's passionate about. ie coaching.
If he hasn't got a job offer to his liking, he should just take a break. He's been in football almost all his life, no shame in taking six months off.
Well forget about Mourinho, forget about United, Giggs doesn't even knows what he wants.
He wants to coach?
"I'm leaving United with a good terms, hope them all the best and maybe I can come back again one day. Looking to gain experience in management"
Everyone happy, clubs will know his stance, and his potential employer will know that he's open for negotiations.
Ever since SAF retired I have yet to read one statement of intent/support from Giggs.
He wants to coach?
"I'm leaving United with a good terms, hope them all the best and maybe I can come back again one day. Looking to gain experience in management"
Everyone happy, clubs will know his stance, and his potential employer will know that he's open for negotiations.
Ever since SAF retired I have yet to read one statement of intent/support from Giggs.
Confirmed?
I think his fear is that he'll become irrelevant if he does that.
He has (had?) a huge amount of good will from his playing days, the wrong decision now and he loses all that. He found himself in a unique position where he had a chance of becoming United manager. Not only one of the biggest jobs in football but the top job at a club that is a part of his very own fabric. That has now very much slipped away and the chance of him getting that job is incredibly slim at best. He will have a very, very hard job taking another managerial job and proving he's worthy of it so his best chance has always been through the back door.
The reason so many United fans are against him getting the job in that manner is because, if he's not capable of going else where and proving his worth, then he's not the right man for the job.
I remember Neville talking about what it was like to leave the club as a player. How when you are no longer good enough to play for the team, you are suddenly an outsider to the dressing room. He went from being a core member of the squad to being a passing thought - a fondly remembered relic who had no place or right to be in the dressing room. That's what made us successful over Fergies reign, a lack of entitlement and sentiment.
To give the running a of the club to a fondly remembered relic on the basis of entitlement and sentiment would be an absolute disaster. The only time Giggs should manage this side is when he has worked his way up towards it. Show how great he is at a small club. Show how great he is at a bigger club. Show he's good enough for the biggest.
Looks like Ryan doesn't want to let go.
As has been said by myself and others, he hasn't covered himself with glory in the assitant manager role, offering neither encouragement to the team or challenging his managers tactics and methods.
Three years of sitting with your thumb up your arse isn't exactly the kind of thing that is going to put you in the picture to manage one of the biggest clubs in the world.
As has been said by myself and others, he hasn't covered himself with glory in the assitant manager role, offering neither encouragement to the team or challenging his managers tactics and methods.
Three years of sitting with your thumb up your arse isn't exactly the kind of thing that is going to put you in the picture to manage one of the biggest clubs in the world.
It's like any other work environment, once you leave you are pretty much forgotten.
In the world of a football team I can see how as soon as you retire from the playing staff, you have no relevance to the rest of the playing staff in professional terms, you are not part of the "team " anymore, so might as well get on with things.
Must be especially hard for today's players, as it's all they have from like 9 or 10 years old in some cases. To be turned loose and be turfed out into the big nasty real world with only several million pounds in your bank account to make your way with, got to feel sorry for them.
In Giggs case, he has to realise that the club doesn't owe him anything, and he has to stand on his own two feet now.
Looking forward to after the Euros when Gary Neville interviews Giggs in an hour special programme celebrating Giggsy's contribution to Utd and to football.
In it he will break down and accuse Utds foreign owners and a string of foreign managers of stealing his beloved club away from him.
Then he will have an epiphany and go on a tearful ramble about how karma has finally caught up with him and this is his punishment for knobbing his sister-in-law.
You heard it here first!
In it he will break down and accuse Utds foreign owners and a string of foreign managers of stealing his beloved club away from him.
Then he will have an epiphany and go on a tearful ramble about how karma has finally caught up with him and this is his punishment for knobbing his sister-in-law.
You heard it here first!
Has Jose announced the assistant manager yet?
No, but there's a 99% chance it'll be Rui Faria.
Personally I can't wait until he leaves. It's not healthy to have a former player, turned assistant manager, who desperately wants to be manager, backed by a former legendary manager and club ambassador, remain at the club whilst we have what we all hope will be a fresh start under a world class manager. I want us to move on from Ferguson, I want us to get our own identity with a new manager and a new team. There's nothing wrong with that; we can embrace change and enjoy a new era. We don't have to disrespect or belittle past achievements, we don't have to forget about them. Of course we won't. How could any of us who are old enough to have grown up through the Ferguson years ever forget how wonderful it all was? It's a glorious part of our history that we'll all tell our grand kids, and they will tell their grand kids.
However we don't have to cling on desperately to the past, or remnants of the past. It's over, it's ended, it's ceased to be. Giggs played a key part in our history and we all respect him for that. But that doesn't give him the right to expect United to hand him a living. If he has a sense of entitlement because he's been at the club for 29 years then it's unfair and misguided. He's entitled to nothing unless the manager wants him. If Giggs thinks the role he's offered is beneath him, then sorry but all the best and good bye. Go and make your own way in the world and build your own career in management. If he's a great manager then the door will remain open for him, and if he's not a great manager then so what? He'll always be remembered as a great player. That can't ever be taken away from him. But to have him as part of the coaching staff whilst his mates in the media constantly fly the flag of Ryan Giggs and keep endorsing him as the heir to the United throne, is quite frankly ridiculous and doesn't do anyone any favours.
However we don't have to cling on desperately to the past, or remnants of the past. It's over, it's ended, it's ceased to be. Giggs played a key part in our history and we all respect him for that. But that doesn't give him the right to expect United to hand him a living. If he has a sense of entitlement because he's been at the club for 29 years then it's unfair and misguided. He's entitled to nothing unless the manager wants him. If Giggs thinks the role he's offered is beneath him, then sorry but all the best and good bye. Go and make your own way in the world and build your own career in management. If he's a great manager then the door will remain open for him, and if he's not a great manager then so what? He'll always be remembered as a great player. That can't ever be taken away from him. But to have him as part of the coaching staff whilst his mates in the media constantly fly the flag of Ryan Giggs and keep endorsing him as the heir to the United throne, is quite frankly ridiculous and doesn't do anyone any favours.
Get in a copyright for the story before Hollywood picks up on it.
That's a lovely idea but i very much doubt 150 years from now 4 generations down the line that the conversation at the dinner table on Mars will be that my great great grandad saw a match or two at OT under the Fergie eraI still don't get why so many are convinced that Giggs is expecting us to "hand him a living" or stuff along those lines.
Are you just basing this off results or do you have some sort of greater insight that you could share with us?
I'm imagining him running around his mansion, chasing a row of beautiful women in bikinis around his kitchen, sailors cap on and the Benny Hill tune screaming from the surround sound speakers. That's one for you Olly.
Moyes is sitting in his perfect copy of the Man Utd managers office he built in his garage, making an receiving calls from targets like Bale and Messi on a fisher price phone. His imaginary friend Jimmy Lumsden is sitting in the corner offering words of wisdom. Steve Round has been returned to the local wax museum and Phily Wily is hiding in a bathroom somewhere in Valencia.
Van Gaal is in a dimly lit room in Portugal, handcuffed to a furry wall with a snooker ball in his gob while Mrs Van Gaal is spanking him with a leather binder. His assistants are currently watching the Euros and Copa to assimilate back in to modern football after two years in the haze of slow motion football.
The saying is true, the only way is down if you leave United, or up, depending on you're sexual desires.
Moyes is sitting in his perfect copy of the Man Utd managers office he built in his garage, making an receiving calls from targets like Bale and Messi on a fisher price phone. His imaginary friend Jimmy Lumsden is sitting in the corner offering words of wisdom. Steve Round has been returned to the local wax museum and Phily Wily is hiding in a bathroom somewhere in Valencia.
Van Gaal is in a dimly lit room in Portugal, handcuffed to a furry wall with a snooker ball in his gob while Mrs Van Gaal is spanking him with a leather binder. His assistants are currently watching the Euros and Copa to assimilate back in to modern football after two years in the haze of slow motion football.
The saying is true, the only way is down if you leave United, or up, depending on you're sexual desires.
The onus is on you to prove his postive contributions we have the evidence of the tumescent perfomances, lack of activity on the bench and the club unwilling to back him again as the evidence against.
But please, i am open to changing my mind should you be able to produce any evidence of his positve contributions.
Why is the onus on me to prove anything to you? I'm not saying the club should get definitely rid of him (like you are - where is your evidence?). And I'm not saying the club should keep definitely him. I'm saying the club should do what it thinks best, and that we shouldn't make harsh assumptions on a player who has been valuable and loyal to us over these years when there is no good evidence to support these assumptions.
It's a fact that you've made very specific criticisms of his role that you can't possibly know unless you have some inside knowledge, which was why I was asking you.
Regardless, in terms of evidence for his contribution all we can go on is what we see in the press. And all that is entirely positive, whether it is from the players, Van Gaal, pundits. So I guess in that respect there is evidence to prove that he is a valuable member of the United staff. And I haven't seen anything to suggest the opposite.
Unless you want to go purely off results, which it seems is the case.
In which case I ask you , is it wise to sack every single person who had anything to do with the last 3 years? Or should the club evaluate who still has value to add and proceed on that basis?
The very definition of irony. What you quote as "evidence against" is nothing of the sort. Performances were down to Van Gaal as manager and no one else. In what other club in the world is the assistant manager held responsible for the team's performances?
This thread should be moved to the classic section. It's a perfect example of how some of the (consistently) worst and most inane posters on the Caf display their shortcomings. Some of the posts here are textbook examples of how you're not supposed to write, argue, or reason.
So you are saying Giggs has a chance
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