Ruben Amorim | United meet Sporting release clause

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The Boy said:
Why is it petty? You can't just get whoever you want whenever you want. This way Sporting give themselves a window to find their next manager and replace the coaching staff, Amorim gets to say goodbye and help out the club while they work to appoint a successor. He joins you in an international break which gives him a few days for him and his staff to get their feet under the table. You get the guy you want, Sporting are compensated for losing the majority of their coaching set up mid season. Makes perfect sense for all sides, there's nothing petty about doing the best for your club and making the upheaval as smooth as possible.
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Pretty sure the poster you were responding to was joking. But your post brings up a valid follow up question - if this type of appointment makes such sense all round (the manager staying at current club for a few more weeks), it makes you wonder why it's so rarely done (at least in Britain)?

Almost every appointment I can think of is either the manager leaving that club immediately (huge percentage of them) or the minority ones where the manager agrees to join at the end of the season. I can't think of any other situation where an agreement has been reached but only for a few weeks time while the manager carries on in his old job for a few more games.

Feels very unusual situation that I don't remember happening before (for English clubs anyway - maybe it's regular in Portugal). Still, seems a good appointment for the long term and I'm happy with it. I wanted someone who could build something while also (hopefully) making a quick impact - rather than someone with a reputation for the latter, but also for quickly leaving acrimoniously (Mourinho, Conte, Tuchel). Amorim seems to tick a lot of boxes.
 
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SouthMancRed said:
Much the same as Ruud and it worked last night. He's obviously interim so the players quickly get weaned off the coconut shy look that was on the touchline before in time for Rubin joining. Hirsute is the new bald.
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The only successful bald managers in the last 20 years or so have been Pep and Zidane. All the other best managers have had hair. Far more likely to have success with someone with hair than someone b*ld
 
there's yet another international break coming up? FFS.

Seems a sensible solution though. Gives him tme to settle in, and hey, if Sporting want an awkward couple of weeks with a manager who is confirmed to leave, then I say let them.
 
rimaldo said:
i’m concerned that whilst he’s detailing his game plan and instructions to the players, many of them will be day dreaming of a fantasy life where he pushes the tactics board over and marches towards them and passionately kisses them.
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You're too busy thinking amorim, when you should be thinking "am i rim?"
 
Would have made more sense to get him in straight away

At least we get to watch a CL match this season though. That probably isn’t going to happen again until 2026 at the earliest.
 
Am I myopic or does everything always seem harder for us for some reason?

Are other clubs dealing with staff on years of gardening leave, or having to wait for managers to work their notice period? Maybe I'm just not paying attention.
 
I can imagine him meeting Berrada for the first time and they bow at each other Japanese style, full of smiles and all. Their classy people.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
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So he’s got a bit of both about him. That’s what I love about his system. It can be attacking and also change into a defensive shape. Wonder who he got his attacking style of then, certainly wasn’t Mourinho
 
tenpoless said:
I can imagine him meeting Berrada for the first time and they bow at each other Japanese style, full of smiles and all. Their classy people.
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Why on earth would they do that?

If Roy Keane saw that, my word, I'd be throwing punches. Whyareyoubowingfor? You're not Japanese. Nonsense.
 
personally, I'm done getting overly excited by new managers. United is entirely different animal to handle and I still remember reading the same glorious things about ETH when the hype was on its peak, only for him to end up looking like another clueless fraud. I'm hoping for the best and that's it.
 
witchtrials said:
Am I myopic or does everything always seem harder for us for some reason?

Are other clubs dealing with staff on years of gardening leave, or having to wait for managers to work their notice period? Maybe I'm just not paying attention.
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I suppose we did it in good will to sporting. We’ve always had a good relationship with them so wanted to make sure both sides are happy. We’re in safe hands with ruud for now anyway. Gives them time to give him a proper send of and get a replacement in time
 
Red00012 said:
He can’t win really - lose and he’s not ready . Win and miracles will be expected
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The most that we should expect is that a proper style of play is in place. With that comes wins and defeats but aslong as the team play consistently well and in a system he should be praised for that. We’ll end up getting more wins that not with a set playing style.
 
witchtrials said:
Am I myopic or does everything always seem harder for us for some reason?

Are other clubs dealing with staff on years of gardening leave, or having to wait for managers to work their notice period? Maybe I'm just not paying attention.
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Signing a currently employed manager mid season isn't something that happens all the time, to be fair
 
Its a bit odd to make him stay for a few more games, the chance of a negative situation developing in the dressing room means I'd rather just let him go, were it up to me. However this could ruins Sporting's season, so if they really think he can keep things ticking over, I can't begrudge them for it.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
We didn't get a new manager bounce with Rangnick or Ten Hag so we're due one, and by my calculations we should go on a solid 20 league game unbeaten run.
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We actually did get a bit of a new manager bounce with both of them.

Rangnick only lost one of his first 13 league games, and two of his first 16. There were almost as many draws in there as wins so it's not like he was doing amazing, but it was far better than how things had been going under Ole (who had lost five and won one of his last seven league games). It just gets overlooked because of how bad it ended with Rangnick with 5 losses in his last 8.

ETH took us to our second highest point tally since Fergie retired and won the Carling Cup, before it then all went bad.

Obviously neither were as spectacular as the Ole interim period, but in terms of coming in and improving things quite quickly they both did a job.
 
Sly said:
He wasn't dropped. On contrary, he became even more important after Coates went back to Uruguay. He had a very good start of the season. He was injured and he just returned recently. Yesterday was a league cup game and he was probably spared.
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Thanks for that. I was really impressed by him a year ago and good to see he's still developing. Do you think he's developing enough to be considered as a potential world class CB?
 
There should be transfer windows for managers too.
 
I guess it’s ok to take over during the international break but I would have preferred he took over next week since he has Arsenal away and City away quite soon after his first Ipswich game. Also within 40 days from his first game he also has Spurs away and Pool away. Talk about an eventful start to his career here!
 
witchtrials said:
Am I myopic or does everything always seem harder for us for some reason?

Are other clubs dealing with staff on years of gardening leave, or having to wait for managers to work their notice period? Maybe I'm just not paying attention.
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Nice to have good relationship with the club. When they produce the next Portuguese superstar, it's good to have an in with them, and not depend completely on agents-

Very happy about this pick
 
horsechoker said:
Why on earth would they do that?

If Roy Keane saw that, my word, I'd be throwing punches. Whyareyoubowingfor? You're not Japanese. Nonsense.
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He wouldn't understand because he doesn't even understand how barcode works... not a very sophisticated man Woy is. Always afraid of infetterence in electronics.
 
So it’s an £8m release clause, that doesn’t actually release him unless you give them another £4m on top? Alright then.

Happy it’s sorted anyway. I see why they didn’t go for it, Ruud has got this until the next break.
 
2 man midfield said:
So it’s an £8m release clause, that doesn’t actually release him unless you give them another £4m on top? Alright then.

Happy it’s sorted anyway. I see why they didn’t go for it, Ruud has got this until the next break.
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I reckon it was an £8m clause for him, and then they wanted £4m to release his coaching staff or they were going to make them see out their 30 days notice. We've sat down to find a compromise and agreed to pay an extra £1m for the coaches, with the proviso that the entire ticket can stay on until the international break while they find and hire a completely new coaching team.
 
RDCR07 said:
I guess it’s ok to take over during the international break but I would have preferred he took over next week since he has Arsenal away and City away quite soon after his first Ipswich game. Also within 40 days from his first game he also has Spurs away and Pool away. Talk about an eventful start to his career here!
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Not really. He has probably the best start you could have asked for

IPS away
EVE home
Bodo home
Arsenal away
Forest home
Viktoria away
City away
Spurs away(efl)
Bournemouth home
Wolves away

Couldn't ask for a better start actually.
 
Bertie Wooster said:
Pretty sure the poster you were responding to was joking. But your post brings up a valid follow up question - if this type of appointment makes such sense all round (the manager staying at current club for a few more weeks), it makes you wonder why it's so rarely done (at least in Britain)?

Almost every appointment I can think of is either the manager leaving that club immediately (huge percentage of them) or the minority ones where the manager agrees to join at the end of the season. I can't think of any other situation where an agreement has been reached but only for a few weeks time while the manager carries on in his old job for a few more games.

Feels very unusual situation that I don't remember happening before (for English clubs anyway - maybe it's regular in Portugal). Still, seems a good appointment for the long term and I'm happy with it. I wanted someone who could build something while also (hopefully) making a quick impact - rather than someone with a reputation for the latter, but also for quickly leaving acrimoniously (Mourinho, Conte, Tuchel). Amorim seems to tick a lot of boxes.
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Normally because clubs are appointing managers that have been sacked and are therefore available or the move happens in the summer like Ange to Spurs (though they still paid 5 million compensation) or ETH to United (2.5 million paid to Ajax). Mid season moves for managers who are under contract to another club are quite rare and expensive, when Chelsea did it Brighton for example, they paid over 20 million quid to get Potter and his team immediately rather than wait.
 
bond19821982 said:
Not really. He has probably the best start you could have asked for

IPS away
EVE home
Bodo home
Arsenal away
Forest home
Viktoria away
City away
Spurs away(efl)
Bournemouth home
Wolves away

Couldn't ask for a better start actually.
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I mean... you definitely could.

Arsenal, City and Spurs away in your first 10 games is horrible. The other fixtures are grand but you could definitely have asked for better.

If they had brought him in during the last international break his first 10 games would've been Brentford, Fenerbace, West Ham, Leicester, Chelsea, PAOK, Leicester, Ipswich, Bodo/Glimt and Everton.
 
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