Ruben Amorim | United meet Sporting release clause

We didn't get a new manager bounce with Rangnick or Ten Hag so we're due one, and by my calculations we should go on a solid 20 league game unbeaten run.
We kinda did have one under ten Hag. His first two games were awful but after that we had a decent spell which ultimately culminated in winning the League Cup.
 
Can someone explain why United changed their manager priority?

From The Athletic...
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5883160/2024/10/30/ten-hag-amorim-welbeck-berrada/

It seemed like the number 1 chose in the summer was Tuchel and Amorim was not considered as "after conversations both parties decided the time wasn’t right then".

Yet fast forward to October and Tuchel was not considered and Amorim became the priority?

What changed? Was this just down to Amorims hot start for Sporting?

They didn't change priority.. they interviewed Tuchel and decided he isn't the guy. He was interviewed by INEOS not the CEO and DoF

The reason he is first choice now, Omar Berrada and Ashworth think he is the right man, in the summer they were not there.

its nothing to do with Sporting's start to the season, its to do with his last 5 years.
 
I am still 50:50 over those two. I am super happy with Amorim but damn, i rate Tuchel so much.
Yeah I can see the appeal with Tuchel given the short term turnaround/bounce is guaranteed but long term I feel we made the better choice. Much more progressive, more attacking, younger etc.
 
I don't have any feeling of sympathy for Sporting.

I'm delighted we're being ruthless and going for what we want. If us getting a top manager at the expense of Sporting's season means we avoid just getting an out of work manager like Potter or Southgate, then to be frank, tough sh*t Sporting.

Not our problem.

We, as fans, don't have to be so cynical about it. They are a likeable club with which we have done good business more often than not: Ronaldo, Nani and Bruno Fernandes.

As it stands, they are about to lose the manager who broke the Benfica/Porto duopoly and turned them into a true force in their domestic league. They knew the time for Amorim to move upward would come, sooner rather than later, thus the very reasonable release clause for the "big" clubs. But football isn't like other businesses, there's a lot of emotion in it. And there should be, the fans' feelings should be respected.

Amorim is the next United manager. I'm perfectly fine with their upper management "putting up a fight" to show their fanbase that they understand their frustrations (up to a point), even if it means that RvN will sit on the bench for a few more games.
 
They didn't change priority.. they interviewed Tuchel and decided he isn't the guy. He was interviewed by INEOS not the CEO and DoF

The reason he is first choice now, Omar Berrada and Ashworth think he is the right man, in the summer they were not there.
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This is actually a fair point. If you’re CEO and DOF didn’t talk to any candidates then the whole process is kinda iffy. But I also understand INEOS couldn’t wait till July 1 to start conducting interviews. So I’m glad Omar and Ashworth have stamped their authority and gone with the right candidate at their first opportunity of choosing one.
 
I don't have any feeling of sympathy for Sporting.

I'm delighted we're being ruthless and going for what we want. If us getting a top manager at the expense of Sporting's season means we avoid just getting an out of work manager like Potter or Southgate, then to be frank, tough sh*t Sporting.

Not our problem.
Yeah but in life you have a choice to not be a dick about things.
 
You've always had a problem with the Germans, especially after they tore down that wall you built.
people just didn’t understand the wall. it was supposed to bring people together by grouping them by nationality and race and then just getting rid of the ones we didn’t like.
 
They didn't change priority.. they interviewed Tuchel and decided he isn't the guy. He was interviewed by INEOS not the CEO and DoF

The reason he is first choice now, Omar Berrada and Ashworth think he is the right man, in the summer they were not there.

its nothing to do with Sporting's start to the season, its to do with his last 5 years.

True. Berrada and Asworth started July. You don't think either had any comms with INEOS prior re managers? You dont think Berrada would have said to INEOS to consider Amorim in May?

And without Berrada and Ashworth, why would INEOS start interviewing 6 weeks earlier?

All feels a bit scattergun, but i think we have the right man in the end.
 
I agree with this. People wanted ETH out(he deserves the sacking, no question about that) but then also claim that squad is piss poor and nowhere near top 4 quality.

I believe we have a squad capable of competing for top 4. Yes, Liverpool, Arsenal, and City stand out as stronger teams, but there isn’t a significant gap between us and clubs like Chelsea, Aston Villa, Tottenham, and Newcastle. I've seen enough of their games this season and they're not that much better than us. If Amorim has anything about him he should be getting us to compete among those teams easily. Newcastle, in particular, has recently begun to earn results that reflect their actual performances, especially considering how lucky they've been earlier in the season to get their wins. Similarly, Tottenham has been just as inconsistent as we have.

There seems to be a contradiction where people criticize Erik ten Hag for signing his former players while simultaneously expecting Ruben Amorim to do the same. It’s amusing to see the constant fawning for Gyokeres. Amorim is being brought in with the hope of maximizing our current squad's potential too. Like you said, if Amorim has the qualities we hope for, he should be able to extract the best from players like Hojlund, who shares a similar profile to Gyokeres.

100% agreed.

There will be 27-29 games left in the league season when Amorim takes over. If he's a manager worth his salt, then he should be able to guide us to around ~65 points in the end IMO, considering the strength of the squad.

The other top 4 contenders are going to drop a lot of points and be inconsistent, too.
 
Really difficult to see some of these players lasting long with Amorin after watching them play yesterday (it was very impressive).

The centre backs go very, very wide and Martinez just isn't good at defending wide areas, I can see him slowly being phased out because to cover that space you do need a bit more athleticism.

The width comes from the fullbacks, so your 10s have to be really good with their short intricate passing and one-twos, they also need to be fairly good at carrying the ball. Bruno isn't really very good at that. In fact the best players there are for that kind of role would be Amad and Mainoo.

I'd also worry for Rashford, Rasmus and Garnacho, they don't really have any of the technical security the best forwards too.

I get what you are saying with Martínez as a wide CB. He would have to be a CCB but then De Ligt / Maguire misses out or plays as the wide defender, which is far from ideal. It's probably better to play Lindelöf/Evans there instead at LCB, if Yoro is going to take up the RCB spot. And Martínez isn't a better CCB than MdL/Maguire from a defensive point of view. He would have to do most of the organizing as well from there.

Next summer a wide defender comes in IMO like you suggest, Branthwaite or a similar profile.
 
This is actually a fair point. If you’re CEO and DOF didn’t talk to any candidates then the whole process is kinda iffy. But I also understand INEOS couldn’t wait till July 1 to start conducting interviews. So I’m glad Omar and Ashworth have stamped their authority and gone with the right candidate at their first opportunity of choosing one.

Exactly, I have been trying to explain this to a few people on here who were losing their sh** on INEOS.

It would be cutting the legs of the CEO and DoF if you hire someone weeks before the structure being appointed.

This gave Omar and Dan 3 months to review, conduct research on who they should get. They have done that and and come up with a better candidate than we had in June.
 
He won't demand Gyökeres, because we have Hojlund who can be turned into a scoring machine, much like the Swede. For free. He won't demand Diomande, because we've just signed Leny Yoro, who was the much more coveted CB prospect of the two, and Diomande wouldn't be the only option if we wanted to add another wide defender to the squad (which will happen IMO, but it will be Branthwaite). He also won't demand Inácio when he will already have Martínez for the same role within his system.
Agree with this. Seems almost certain we'll go in for Branthwaite again, especially if he doesn't sign a new contract. I imagine that hope is why he hasn't so far. Although, Amorim might prefer other targets, so maybe Diomande isn't totally out of the question. I'd still prefer Branthwaite as the other channel defender though.
 
Agree with this. Seems almost certain we'll go in for Branthwaite again, especially if he doesn't sign a new contract. I imagine that hope is why he hasn't so far. Although, Amorim might prefer other targets, so maybe Diomande isn't totally out of the question. I'd still prefer Branthwaite as the other channel defender though.
If we want Branthwaite then the easier option to get him is if Everton get relegated. They aren’t going to budge on their ridiculous valuation and we aren’t going to pay it, especially cause we have to pay this £30m towards hiring and firing new staff.
 

Cool. I fully expect a meltdown in eighteen months now.

But in all seriousness, Kaveh didn't even know that Amorim was being approached a few hours before it happened so how he knows this now I have no idea.
 


What kind of bullshitary is this? The point of a release clause is that you don’t have to go through any of these stupid negotiations etc it would be like us telling a player they have to play for the rest of the season even though the release clause was met. It’s stupid.
 
Oh I'm not being a dick about it, just saying after everything we've endured it's nice that we're being ruthless.
Well your POV about this definitely screams dickishness. We weren’t entitled to anything cause we are richer than Sporting. Sure we haven’t had the best of times this past decade but Sporting were in the same situation until Ruben came along.
 
What kind of bullshitary is this? The point of a release clause is that you don’t have to go through any of these stupid negotiations etc it would be like us telling a player they have to play for the rest of the season even though the release clause was met. It’s stupid.
That's exactly what happens when triggering a release clause during spring
 
Seems all the Twitter pundits are clutching at straws for content to make them appear as if they actually know something.