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Ruben Amorim | United meet Sporting release clause
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) are here to give their reaction just hours after the news has broke. Where did it all go wrong for ETH? What's next for United? and what were the highlights?
They also react to United's loss away at West Ham, including a breakdown of that ridiculous VAR decision.
i think its just another negotiating ploy from Sporting to get more cash. The 30day thing is understandable if he announced he was off to Benfica or Porto as a local rival but what happens on a day-to-day basis at Utd is irrelevant to Sporting. I thought it was an unreasonable time frame to expect him to be in the dugout for Chelsea anyway.
I am still 50:50 over those two. I am super happy with Amorim but damn, i rate Tuchel so much.
I don't have any feeling of sympathy for Sporting.
I'm delighted we're being ruthless and going for what we want. If us getting a top manager at the expense of Sporting's season means we avoid just getting an out of work manager like Potter or Southgate, then to be frank, tough sh*t Sporting.
Not our problem.
I'm delighted we're being ruthless and going for what we want. If us getting a top manager at the expense of Sporting's season means we avoid just getting an out of work manager like Potter or Southgate, then to be frank, tough sh*t Sporting.
Not our problem.
"Bled Sporting"? He was batting his eyelids at West Ham in London a few months ago before he came to his senses.
The formation isn't the tactic. The 343 with Amorim uses Wing Backs as width, but their not as involved in general play as a 343 under Tuchel or Conte. His system actually relies on quick connection within the centre of the pitch, and uses the width provided by the wing backs to stretch the opposition out. We centering of attacks actually works well with our team, as Bruno, Amad, Rashford, Mount and Zirkzee would all work well in the 2 attacking positions behind the striker. The only time we will need more from our wingers is in situations in which the center of the pitch is clogged, and the wing backs then cross or link play as a plan b. I think Dalot, Mazraoui and Malacia are capable of this. I see Shaw covering the LCB position. I do think we will need a new LWB and maybe give Harry Amass a chance.
That's because managers and clubs rarely act unilaterally. They negociate termination terms, the same is true for players when it comes to transfers.
Yeah I hoped he might bring that here too, however read today it's something required when managing in Portuguese league
It's amazing the amount of people that respond in a serious manner to a post by someone called Wumminator 
Would that not make our situation worse? Massive hit on his amortised value, surely.
Yes better than Jose and Erik.
We should give them Anthony and keep paying his wages until summer instead of paying the 5 Mio Euros they are asking.
We would be selling at a considerable loss so no it doesn't fix anything
We technically didn't have any wingbacks before LVG came and he converted Young and Valencia for those roles. They were actually really good there for the most part. Our problems were elsewhere
Maybe he only wants to join us if he can work with them?
It could be that they have specific release clauses too, or that it's just whatever is the rest of their wages due for the remainder of the contract. Anyone know? I know that's how compensation is calculated at times for non playing staff.
Trying to do some dodgy maths on the second of those possibilities with incomplete information.
Transfermarkt has Carlos Fernandes contracted until June 30 2026, 20 months from now. Don't know about the others so this is speculative to say the least, let's assume the same.
3 blokes with 20 months each remaining. €4m compo for the 3 of them combined = €1.33m each. 1.33m / 20 = an average monthly wage of €67k each which is €800k a year, or €15k a week.
In GBP those numbers would be £667k annually, £56k monthly, £13k a week.
Does that sound close to what a club like Sporting might have been paying 2 assistant coaches and a goalie coach on average? Again don't know the lengths of all 3 contracts and it's unlikely they're making exactly the same as each other, just talking very rough numbers.
Amorim supposedly on €5m euros a year, €96k a week. In GBP £4.18m a year, £348k a month, £80k a week to compare it to.
Could well be about right in that sort of context, coaches on about 6 times less than the manager if I'm anywhere near actual numbers at all here, 2 of them high up the chain listed as assistant coach. One last time, a ton of guesswork / speculation here.
Edit: English Championship assistant managers on about 4.5 times less than managers (Sporting don't have one single guy for that I don't think), first team coaches 8 times less, and goalie coaches on 10 times less. If that's industry standard it's certainly ballpark.
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So does he still have to serve a notice period or have Sporting agreed to drop it? The Times are reporting that we have agreed to pay the 4m for it to be dropped but several other sources are reporting that he has to stay at Sporting until at least the International break.
Has his plane landed yet?
nnnnnnnnnnnno you wouldn't
These were two smart players who were good offensively and dilligent defensively as wingers. Wingback is a very difficult role. Though Mazraoui and Dalot have the tools and mindset for it.
The Times have reported that's how much it will cost, not that we have agreed to pay it yet.
At this time, United and Sporting are negotiating on the start date. Part of that involves offering a bit more money in compensation for the additional coaches/staff who'll leave Sporting to join Amorim at United. At worst, he can join after the international break, but if United act swiftly enough (includes spending more money), then Amorim can come in on time for Chelsea at best.
Mazhar13 is my go to news source, that and Yahoo.
Still better than Plettenberg.
you are probably right but that is crazy
A bit dramatic way of putting it, I admit. Point is, people with a sense of responsibility and emotional involvement in their job don't just stop caring what happens.
So is Mazhar13
Sporting are doing a good job controlling the media narrative today
All well and good until Amorim wants to bring some players with him and we get quoted a much higher price if we piss them off during this. Then everyone will moan and wonder why we massively overpay for players.
he wants that fade with pep...
I was kind of hoping he would be incharge for our game and a little gutted (it appears) he won't.
I'm still scarred from losing to Big Duncs Everton and for a one off game I think the emotional aspect of RVN driving United and the crowd will make it quite dangerous for us.
Whereas I feel Amorim may have prioritised implementing his system from the off even if at the expense of early results.
I'm still scarred from losing to Big Duncs Everton and for a one off game I think the emotional aspect of RVN driving United and the crowd will make it quite dangerous for us.
Whereas I feel Amorim may have prioritised implementing his system from the off even if at the expense of early results.
Don't think about it too hard mate. You'll win.
Yep as clueless as ever this complete chancer, as someone said earlier sky sports became irrelevant over a decade ago.
i’d back pep ‘the 1-1-5’ guardiola. he’ll be juiced to the eyeballs and coked up on the night. abu dhabi will tamper with the blood work and swap his out for that of a 19 year old virile boy with a full head of hair.
We didn't get a new manager bounce with Rangnick or Ten Hag so we're due one, and by my calculations we should go on a solid 20 league game unbeaten run.
any new manager bounce will always be negated if the manager is bald or german.
I was expecting Amorim to be fully instated as head coach during the international break to be honest, with RVN taking charge of the four games before that.
What can he even do that’s truly meaningful until then when there’s a game every 3-4 days?
Hopefully we can pull a few names from international duty so they can do some early work in that two weeks
What can he even do that’s truly meaningful until then when there’s a game every 3-4 days?
Hopefully we can pull a few names from international duty so they can do some early work in that two weeks
Bring back the ole bounce!