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Shame we’re aren’t more like Brighton
If it’s the compensation for his coaches holding up an announcement, that makes more sense.
Not really if it’s only a month. Ruud can take us up to the intl break no problem. I do t think it will come to that though.I reckon they'll agree something like €3m. Time is of the essence if we want to try and salvage this season...
Can someone explain why United changed their manager priority?
From The Athletic...
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5883160/2024/10/30/ten-hag-amorim-welbeck-berrada/
It seemed like the number 1 chose in the summer was Tuchel and Amorim was not considered as "after conversations both parties decided the time wasn’t right then".
Yet fast forward to October and Tuchel was not considered and Amorim became the priority?
What changed? Was this just down to Amorims hot start for Sporting?
You say that now, but just wait till Amorim rejects us after trying public transport!I disagree on both points but let’s leave it there as it’s nothing to do with the thread.
Yes, people who hopefully wouldn’t consider Tuchel - also, he has another job now.Main difference is that the CEO and DOF weren't in place back when those conversations happened.
We should hold his beer while he pulls a Mourinho!Because otherwise he would have to work for Sporting until the end of his contract or until they fire him
There are usually a lot of Managerial changes in mid to late November. Other clubs may well have reached out to see if Amorim was interested and his agent is bound to have let United know about this interest - I suspect some surprisingly big clubs came in with a potential interest. Given Tuchel was out of the equation the United board may have felt they had to make a decision now to take Amorim off the table.Can someone explain why United changed their manager priority?
From The Athletic...
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5883160/2024/10/30/ten-hag-amorim-welbeck-berrada/
It seemed like the number 1 chose in the summer was Tuchel and Amorim was not considered as "after conversations both parties decided the time wasn’t right then".
Yet fast forward to October and Tuchel was not considered and Amorim became the priority?
What changed? Was this just down to Amorims hot start for Sporting?
Can someone explain why United changed their manager priority?
From The Athletic...
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5883160/2024/10/30/ten-hag-amorim-welbeck-berrada/
It seemed like the number 1 chose in the summer was Tuchel and Amorim was not considered as "after conversations both parties decided the time wasn’t right then".
Yet fast forward to October and Tuchel was not considered and Amorim became the priority?
What changed? Was this just down to Amorims hot start for Sporting?
Brutal.Your critical thinking is non-existent.
I'm sorry, but this is one of the worst opinions I've read so far this week. You might want to refresh your memory and take a look at that 19/20 Arsenal squad.
Amorim will straight away have these at his disposal after arriving at United:
-A technical goalkeeper who's an elite passer and ball-player. Arteta had Leno who's shit with his feet and probably not even above average as a shot-stopper.
-Elite level CBs in various CB roles in De Ligt, Maguire, Yoro, and Martínez. Arteta only had Saliba who hadn't even played a competitive match for Arsenal at that point I think, so he had to phase him in much like Amorim will have to with Yoro. His other CBs were an old Luiz, Sokratis, Mavropanos, Holding, Chambers, and Mustafi.
-30 goal per season striker prospect with a great mental profile in Hojlund. Arteta was given two disruptive, past-it players in Aubameyang and Lacazette.
-One of the best #10s in the world who's the 2nd best chance creating machine on the planet after KDB in Bruno. You can argue Arteta had Özil, but that never worked out between the two, and Amorim will almost certainly get along with Bruno very well, so I will most certainly list Bruno as well.
-Already established youth players in Mainoo and Garnacho. Arteta had to integrate the likes of Saka, Martinelli, Nketiah, Nelson and Smith Rowe by himself.
-30 G/A inside forward in Rashford. Decent wingers in Garnacho and Amad. Arteta had Pepe and Mkhitaryan.
-Solid full-backs in Dalot and Mazraoui (Shaw and Malacia too if they ever return at this point). Arteta had Tierney, Kolasinac, Bellerín, Monreal, Cedric...
-Mainoo and Ugarte as defensive/central midfielders. Granted we need to, and will add quality here, but Arteta had to give a lot of minutes Guendouzi, Ceballos, and Torreira, before being able to add add real quality to his midfield.
The only player who was already an established first teamer, was at a good age, and had both good ability and most importantly a good mentality, was Xhaka, when Arteta took over at Arsenal. So arguably one player from the whole squad.
The current United squad is objectively light years ahead of the mess Arteta had when he took charge of Arsenal.
I've said this earlier in this thread but it seems more of a speculative article to me. Feels like Whitwell has been doing more of these since this summer. Probably lost his sources since new leadership team has come in?Can someone explain why United changed their manager priority?
From The Athletic...
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5883160/2024/10/30/ten-hag-amorim-welbeck-berrada/
It seemed like the number 1 chose in the summer was Tuchel and Amorim was not considered as "after conversations both parties decided the time wasn’t right then".
Yet fast forward to October and Tuchel was not considered and Amorim became the priority?
What changed? Was this just down to Amorims hot start for Sporting?
Sports journalists speculating instead of posting facts? That can't be....I've said this earlier in this thread but it seems more of a speculative article to me. Feels like Whitwell has been doing more of these since this summer. Probably lost his sources since new leadership team has come in?
He was pushing for Toney in the summer, even mentioned DCL at some point in his articles but never Welbeck. Now he suddenly knows we were discussing about Welbeck in the summer?
To be fair, Athletic have the best sources to the point where a lot of people take their articles as fact. I dunno, Whitwell seems to be off since this summer.Sports journalists speculating instead of posting facts? That can't be....
Tuchel went elsewhere for starters
Too late? Tuchel signed for England
Tuchel was the first choice in the summer and turned down the offer, for whatever reason.
Lots of possibilities. Antony can play both sides as wing back, as well as Amad and Garnacho.I would change Garnacho and Amad.
Impatience mostly. The new toy must be secured so we can start tearing strips off him!I'm not sure why people would want him to make his or United's relationship with Sporting messed up by leaving on bad teams?
So this only applies to Amorim? No other Portuguese player or manager has had to do this but our new manager is going to stay in his role for another 30 days?
You guys are on one today.
Can someone explain why United changed their manager priority?
From The Athletic...
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5883160/2024/10/30/ten-hag-amorim-welbeck-berrada/
It seemed like the number 1 chose in the summer was Tuchel and Amorim was not considered as "after conversations both parties decided the time wasn’t right then".
Yet fast forward to October and Tuchel was not considered and Amorim became the priority?
What changed? Was this just down to Amorims hot start for Sporting?
Ah, sorry, didn't realise that. Strange then.Of course, i realize this. But we could all see the writing was on the wall for ETH. The article says.....
Tuchel was not considered on this occasion, prompting him to accept the England job this month.
NopeAnyone else feel worried by the lack of progress here? Could become another Thiago and we end up with Southgatez
They have the replacement alreadySeems pretty obvious to me that neither United nor Sporting would have any interest in having Amorim and his staff serve the 30-day notice.
Both would wind up with their players in relative limbo, which can't be a good thing.
That said, Sporting need to find a replacemente and put them in place. The most reasonable agreement would be a lower "notice premium" and the switch executed at the start of the international break giving both new managers a couple of weeks to settle, get to grips with a new challenge and their squaddies.
That break would be a completely useless waste of time/wages for both clubs otherwise.
I'd rather Gareth GatezAnyone else feel worried by the lack of progress here? Could become another Thiago and we end up with Southgatez
I think it’s quite Ruud of him to keep us waiting for so long. He did seem quite Frank in his interview though.
No.Anyone else feel worried by the lack of progress here? Could become another Thiago and we end up with Southgatez
Anyone else feel worried by the lack of progress here? Could become another Thiago and we end up with Southgatez
I'm not sure why people would want him to make his or United's relationship with Sporting messed up by leaving on bad teams?
At a guess, that's not what he would want - he's been important to them and if only as a matter of pride and courtesy he'll want to leave with professional relationships intact.
Now throw in the fact that we're apparently also trying to bring over some of his coaching team - professional relationships need to be preserved. So what if it means waiting a week - what do we actually imagine he would be doing with the team prior to the Chelsea match.
Of course I'd like him and any colleagues he's bringing to be sat in the stand at that game ready to take over. But even if that's not possible - I think a bit of dignity and respect is not a bad thing for Sporting to expect.
In practice I expect we're doing the usual to-ing and fro-ing about friendly matches and loan deals and extra cash to bridge the gap and he'll be here soon. But I don't think it matters much whether that's before or after Sporting's next match.
``` LAST MINUTE: Rúben Amorim will coach Sporting until the international break, advances @Record\_Portugal\.
The coach will guide the Lions in the games against Estrela da Amadora, Manchester City and SC Braga.```
As if Amorim, who has bled Sporting for years now, suddenly stops caring at all about his current job only because he is about to take a new job. Of course he will do his job until he has completed the move.You don't want a manager working with the team who has little to no interest in how the next couple of games go for the team you're forcing him to stay and manage. You're better off putting an interim in.
There's nothing to worry. He will become your manager. It's just posturing and politics now. They will end up settling and I believe he will be in Manchester by the weekend.Anyone else feel worried by the lack of progress here? Could become another Thiago and we end up with Southgatez