But theyl need to abide by the Portuguese law if they want to extract him from his role? That's probably where negotiation of the early release comes in
Ruben Amorim | United meet Sporting release clause
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) are here to give their reaction just hours after the news has broke. Where did it all go wrong for ETH? What's next for United? and what were the highlights?
They also react to United's loss away at West Ham, including a breakdown of that ridiculous VAR decision.
His employment contract is a Portuguese one with Sporting, how does that still not apply unless it's negotiated separately
How? His new job is in England. Portuguese employment law doesn't stretch to these lands. He can leave Sporting and can't work in Portugal for 30 days maybe, but he won't be in Portugal so what are they going to do? Deport him and make him sit on the beach for 30 days before he's allowed back on a flight?
He'll stay employed at his current club until the period is over.
He could start at United and not face any repercussions in the UK.
In Portugal however he would be in breach of contract and Portuguese law and face legal action.
So he'll be working two jobs for 30 days then?
Apparently he said "trust the process, heh" and then proceeded to whip his toupee off only to reveal himself as Ten Hag's twin bald brother back from the dead for Halloween, something similar to when Kane made his WWF debut and surprised the Undertaker
How can he be in breach of anything if he isn't working in Portugal? You can't face legal action on a law you haven't broken.
Good luck selling that to UEFA
Klopp didn't get away with it, he got apprehended multiple times and served touchline bans.
"decisions go their way every week" - Based on what? Sounds like something you've just made up. Liverpool were 10th in the table for average of VAR decisions for and against - https://www.espn.co.uk/football/sto...-decisions-affect-premier-league-club-2023-24
They also had a huge amount of refereeing mistakes against them last season - https://www.espn.co.uk/football/ins...-ranking-winners-losers-referee-stats-2023-24
Sounds like it's something you've convinced yourself to be the case when most of the data available doesn't support your argument. Having a manager openly criticising referees every week does nothing and is probably counter productive, both in reputation with the officials and makes you an easy target and the fact you're going to have games without your manager on the touchline.
What I really hope is that Amorim has a clear direction of where he wants to take the team, both in the interim with the current players he has at his disposal and the profile of player he wants the club to recruit to make his vision a reality. I also hope he has a tactical flexibility and knows how to set his team up for specific games should it be required. I hope he respects the traditions of the club and gives those who are good enough a chance in the first team to develop. I hope he can hold it together and embrace the pressure that comes with being Manchester United manager. You know all the things which are vital to him being a success here.
But by all means if you want him to call the referee a dickhead after the game and hope it has some bearing on results, go off.
The feck have UEFA got to do with Portuguese employment law? They're not going to get involved in anything.
You're having a bit of a mare here
Can't say I agree with most of this. If Amorim is a good manager, he will massively elevate the base level of this squad, much like how Emery did at Villa after replacing Gerrard.
All the players you listed and then mentioned their age are basically fringe players and they're almost certainly leaving next summer, except for Bruno (and Casemiro, because we might not be able to sell him, but we want him gone). Lindelöf, Maguire, Eriksen, and probably Evans are 99% leaving/retiring in the latter's case. I'd also like to add that the likes of Bruno or Maguire haven't shown any signs of physical decline, at all, and will probably stay elite level players for a few more years.
Your "frequently injured" list includes a player who hasn't missed a single game due to injury at United in Mazraoui, a player who's always been famous for his excellent availability record in Maguire, a player who has suffered one injury in his whole senior career so far in Yoro, and I'm not sure you have a case for classifying the likes of Amad, Martínez and Mainoo injury prone, either. Martínez suffered several injuries due to nasty tackles and challenges that would've sidelined most other players as well. There's no evidence he has an injury prone body, like Shaw.
We'll see if Zirkzee is fit for purpose, but Antony clearly isn't, but it's not like he has a future at the club anyways.
Maybe we are not a "nailed on" top 4 squad, but I think the deluded ones are who think we shouldn't be making it or coming very close to top 4 under a good manager and no injury crisis. Why did so many people want ETH out so vehemently if they, at the same time, believe that this squad isn't even as good as the Chelsea, Spurs and Villa squads? It's just totally contradicting yourselves.
Regarding your last two paragraphs, the only part I agree with is that we will get a young CM for the new manager, in one of the next transfer windows.
You don't know what Amorim will "demand" and whether he will have the right to demand anything or not. I really doubt we'll be signing several Sporting players for him. In fact, I'd be surprised if we signed anyone from there, as looking at their squad, we don't really need any of their players.
He won't demand Gyökeres, because we have Hojlund who can be turned into a scoring machine, much like the Swede. For free. He won't demand Diomande, because we've just signed Leny Yoro, who was the much more coveted CB prospect of the two, and Diomande wouldn't be the only option if we wanted to add another wide defender to the squad (which will happen IMO, but it will be Branthwaite). He also won't demand Inácio when he will already have Martínez for the same role within his system.
The club should have a good relationship with Sporting after our history. I think the notice period is just a formality that should be quickly resolved. Most likely there in the main to protect them from domestic rivals more than anything.
Could just tell them why they are "having a mare", be a bit more constructive surely?
I'm having a mare!? You guys are insisting that Portuguese employment law applies to the UK (which is no longer part of the EU in case some of you missed that), and that Amorim will have to stay in Portugal and serve a 30 day notice period because he's not allowed to work any other job within that time frame, again, according to Portuguese law, which as we've already established, Manchester United are based in England.Not content with that, now apparently UEFA are going to step in and enforce an employment law, which they have no authority to do so and would be the first time in their history they have done so.
Because he wants me to be wrong and he doesn't understand European employment law.
Which should be totally irrelevant according to you with UK being out of the EU
But how come this law doesn’t apply to players when we pay a transfer fee or release clause for them?
You're finally getting it. He'll be here as soon as the contracts are agreed.
Exactly. It's same at ManUtd too when Jose got sacked.
Might me a multitude of reasons, but you never sign them mid season
If what you're saying is true and honouring the rules of his contract doesn't matter as we are in the UK and they are in Portugal why pay the 10 million euros?
This thread took a turn.
The notice period is the time he is required by law to serve with his employer. It’s got nothing to do with taking a role anywhere else, in Portugal, within the EU or elsewhere.
If he just left the role and didn’t serve his notice period then he would be breaking the law. I’m really not sure what you are struggling with here?
He is also Portugese. The idea that he can break the law there and come to England because those laws don't apply in the UK is all well and good, until he wants to do something silly like go home to see his mum for her birthday.
He'd still be in breach there, doesn't matter where he goes. Portugal, England or the moon.
It's what he signed up for and governs the terms of his exit full stop.
Anyway, you just chuck them some more money to waive it if they're up for it. You could always not, but then it sours his relationship with Sporting, makes him liable to be sued which I don't think he'd be up for even we told him we'd cover it, and potentially gets Sporting complaining about us to UEFA, CAS etc. which I'm sure we'd rather avoid.
Because he has a release clause in his contract that he signed with Sporting? Did you think that's a mandatory Portuguese law or something? The notice period has nothing to do with what Sporting want and is a mandatory law in Portugal. It's like giving a months notice in England, it's legislation and in contracts by default.
I'd imagine it may not be hugely helpful with his work permit either.
A boring one!
First of all it's portugal so other country other laws, I must say I found it also strange about that notice period but that's because I was comparing it to what I know in my country Belgium. And it's not the first time that I find some laws strange in Portugal. I have portuguese parents who came to Belgium 60 years or something like that ago. I'm born in Belgium.
Second: Why would Manchester United be interested in a coach who isn't professional? What would that say about him, if he said feck you Sporting because there isn't yet a deal, I don't give the best of me.
Upcoming days Sporting plays Estrela, city and Braga, for me the city game is the one less important, we're in a good position in the CL with 7/9, the game against City can be the cherrie on the cake, but the other 2 games are must wins. Braga away is one of the most difficult games in portuguese league and if you take the league into account where loss of points can be crucial to lose the championship then I understand that Sporting is trying to win time, if it dependend just of Sporting he would sign an extension of his contract, if that's not possible then leaving at the end of the season would be acceptable but now with the intrest of Man Utd. I think after the game of Braga would be for Sporting a good - not good not so bad is better - moment.
Now I'm just giving my opinion how I see things, I think the deal is not yet done because there are some points that need to be concluded, probably the staff that he wants to take with him. And I think that Sporting would love to keep him on until the end of thet season but that's probably not possible then I think until after the braga game. That game is on 10/11/2024 and after that you have the break for the national teams. Then he would have almost 2 weeks to prepare the Ipswich game.
So this only applies to Amorim? No other Portuguese player or manager has had to do this but our new manager is going to stay in his role for another 30 days?
You guys are on one today.
Yep, it's everyone else being wrong
Yeah it's not like there's a rich history of players and managers leaving Portugal to work elsewhere and none of them having to work 30 days notice. Guess we'll find out soon won't we!Seems reasonable
Really can't fault Sporting here yeah
Them guys huh! It's almost like they think there isn't just one generic contract that gets copied and pasted for every managerial appointment in Portugal.
Well considering Sporting apparently have the right to waive it, which is probably what most clubs do during such circumstances. What you're talking about is breaching contract, why wouldn't we just say to him "hey why not breach your contract on the compensation too".
The reason is that a club the size of Man Utd asking a manager to breach contract to sign for them would be absurd. Also we will obviously find a resolution to this that is professional.
There are several options why this period usually doesn't matter. It's either part of the initial agreement, doesn't matter because it's the middle of the summer break and so on