Amorim turned up to sporting training this morning apparently. I’d rather he be planning on flying to Manchester some point this morning.
Ruben Amorim | United meet Sporting release clause
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They wanted to push him out, sorry what? They renewed his contract, got in his favoured assistants, yet only actually pushed him out after our season is actually destroyed.
Hmmm getting a bad feeling it won't be as soon as we think.
He’s going to turn mainoo and Ugarte into monsters. He’s already worked with Ugarte and got him a big move, same with Palhinha.
As per the latest reports, he will take charge of Sporting's game on Friday and only fly to UK over the weekend.
Do do dooooo
He isn’t going to fly until the deal is finalized so not surprised.
There was a lot of talk yesterday about him potentially being in charge for Chelsea game
Was it him with the lame “I want to ask about tactics - not really” line? I thought I recognised the voice. He’s an odious twat.
Yep that's the one. He's also done an analysis of the press conference as well on SSN.
Maybe Paok will be his first game. RVN will probably get these 2 games this week
I'm 10 times more excited about Amorim than ever I was about Ten Hag. We need someone not just with a good background of winning but someone with personality. And he fits that.
The only thing that would concern me is if the deal falls through now. And let's face it [contrary to the United Stand clickbait headline guff from yesterday] it is not deal done...yet. Let's hope it all ends with a welcome rather than more embarrassment. We fans have had enough embarrassment post-Fergie.
The only thing that would concern me is if the deal falls through now. And let's face it [contrary to the United Stand clickbait headline guff from yesterday] it is not deal done...yet. Let's hope it all ends with a welcome rather than more embarrassment. We fans have had enough embarrassment post-Fergie.
Analysis of a press conference?
As with most paper talk it's all guesswork.
They are no longer the well run club they used to be. People really should stop parroting this notion.
Yeah the idea we recruited for amorim in the summer despite extending ten hags contract is fanciful. If ten hag had done even half decent he would still be in post and these is a reasonable chance someone else would have hired amorim in the mean time
Highlighting words you evidently didn't read.
To clarify even further, reading the article along with Amrabat's quotes the other week, Wilcox didn't fancy Erik and recruited players for his eventual replacement. You could call it prudent planning, hedging bets or you could call it pushing out.
For what it's worth I think he had to go even if he got his favoured transfer targets, he was an unlucky manager.
Anyway off topic I just thought it was an interesting article which agreed with RAB's post.
I doubt it's a done deal as people are making out. If he was that easy to get he would've been at Liverpool, Spurs or West Ham by now.
Something's led him to not take those jobs and I bet it's around control of everything. Like transfers, ETH took his time agreeing the deal for the same reasons and got his way.
United wanted to take those same privileges away from ETH as soon as INEOS came in. So where do both parties stand today? I'd think it's somewhere near deadlock right now. See who is willing to compromise. If it's neither, there's no guarantee this deal happens at all.
Something's led him to not take those jobs and I bet it's around control of everything. Like transfers, ETH took his time agreeing the deal for the same reasons and got his way.
United wanted to take those same privileges away from ETH as soon as INEOS came in. So where do both parties stand today? I'd think it's somewhere near deadlock right now. See who is willing to compromise. If it's neither, there's no guarantee this deal happens at all.
Exactly this.
Why were they on the hook in the first place?
I was being straight up about it from my original post, in that the point I was making is that city are not a historically big pull. While over the last few years we’ve started to view them, it’s due to pep and money. When pep goes it’s just money, and it’s questionable how much they’re going to be able to use that.
I suppose the truth will out in the next few years, but i reckon there’s a pretty good chance they’re going to fall off a cliff. The assumption that oppo fans, and seemingly some cucked United fans, are making is that this won’t be the case and they’re here to stay. And that Amorim is somehow fecking himself by choosing us over the City job in the summer.
But I’ll put my crystal ball away and stop insulting your beloved City.
I'd rather PAOK was his first game, that's sensible in my opinion.
Because the fans have no patience and expect everything to be positive from the start
Less of this ridiculous nonsense.
So they weren't on the hook. I mentioned it before the Amorim news that we need to let our board do its job, they been in the role for 3 months.
I am perfectly happy to be patient and Berrada and Ashworth making the managerial choices over reacting and letting SJR and Brailsford making the choices. People say we have wasted this season etc.. but the panic fans choice was Tuchel, which would have wasted 2 years.
He's going to have to sharpen up to deal with the gutter press in the UK. All he had to do to shut the journo down was politely say he it was a post match press conference for Sporting Lisbon, and that's all that he would be talking about.
My first impression of ten Hag was of someone incredibly naive to be a top level manager, I hoped he'd learn on the job, but he never did.
My first impression of ten Hag was of someone incredibly naive to be a top level manager, I hoped he'd learn on the job, but he never did.
I actually have no doubt they were planning for the future and filling the gaps in the squad, it's their job description after all. But I don't buy the claim they were trying to push him out, they could have done that far more easily and cheaply if that was their aim, without destroying this season in the process. On the contrary, they actually backed ETH far too long to turn things around.
Deal falling through would be skibidi, am I right?
I'm sure he was seen as a possible replacement if things didn't work out. But we wouldn't have been actively building the squad for him, as if we were that certain of him we just would have signed Amorim himself in the offseason.
There was no way
he was never not going to take training. It makes more sense for him to do his job this morning then hop over on a flight late this afternoon. He’s currently still employed by sporting and has to plan accordingly until everything is signed
Based on what Amorim said yesterday, doesn't sounds like it's totally done. They might have agreed everything in principle, but not officially done. So in that case it makes sense if it's made official over the weekend, and he starts in the job from Monday.
His approach of giving that reporter some time of day rather than none at all is probably cleverer than completely shutting him down. Hel need media friends early doors, something Ange currently benefits from.
He can shut down reporters in England when he gets pedigree in England. That's my thoughts anyway.
That was never going to happen?
What if the players who were bought don't really suit EtH's style but suit Amorim's instead?
At the yesterday's conference I felt that he is really torn up about accepting the move to Man Utd... Maybe it's just about being difficult and emotional to leave Sporting, his project and fans... Or maybe he really hasn't decided if he should move. Of course, it might be just because he's in negotiations, and you don't talk like it's a done deal before that.
Personally, I think he could be successful in Man Utd, but he will find a club and player culture that will take time and patience to change, and I don't know if that will be really given to him. Specially being a young manager with no curriculum in the big leagues. One thing is sure: he and his team are really professional, they prepare every aspect of the game: players physical and mental well being, a strong group mentality, the study of the adversaries and teaching each player what's his role, bringing out the best of each player, etc. It's not about Amorim only, but his highly professional team.
He complains a bit about having matches every 3 days, how that limits the tactical work and it's more about recovering the players for the next match. The good thing about Sporting now is that the players have been together for some time, they know their roles and what he expects from each of them. New players can integrate better when everyone else knows their role and the team's dynamics. Amorim will have to start from scratch and that will take time and probably some bad results at the beginning. I'm just doubtful that he will have the support he had in Sporting, from the bosses and from the fans.
He joined Sporting in March 2020, so much later than now and with the club in shambles. Got 5 victories, 3 draws and 2 defeats (the defeats with the other two big clubs of the portuguese league). Next season, his first full one with pre-season and everything, ended up by winning a title that eluded Sporting for 19 years.
Personally, I think he could be successful in Man Utd, but he will find a club and player culture that will take time and patience to change, and I don't know if that will be really given to him. Specially being a young manager with no curriculum in the big leagues. One thing is sure: he and his team are really professional, they prepare every aspect of the game: players physical and mental well being, a strong group mentality, the study of the adversaries and teaching each player what's his role, bringing out the best of each player, etc. It's not about Amorim only, but his highly professional team.
He complains a bit about having matches every 3 days, how that limits the tactical work and it's more about recovering the players for the next match. The good thing about Sporting now is that the players have been together for some time, they know their roles and what he expects from each of them. New players can integrate better when everyone else knows their role and the team's dynamics. Amorim will have to start from scratch and that will take time and probably some bad results at the beginning. I'm just doubtful that he will have the support he had in Sporting, from the bosses and from the fans.
He joined Sporting in March 2020, so much later than now and with the club in shambles. Got 5 victories, 3 draws and 2 defeats (the defeats with the other two big clubs of the portuguese league). Next season, his first full one with pre-season and everything, ended up by winning a title that eluded Sporting for 19 years.
No chance he's in charge for the Chelsea game now, too late in the day. I think he'll start on Monday assuming they can agree things in the meantime.
Can't be that difficult surely... unless Sporting are fuming that we're taking their manager mid season...
Can't be that difficult surely... unless Sporting are fuming that we're taking their manager mid season...
What makes you think that the decision to keep Ten Hag was on the basis of one game?
Also: isn’t the entire point with the new setup that we’re bringing in players to fit a pre-defined system, rather than specific players for specific managers?
Isn’t the issue surrounding a notice period to sporting if his release clause is triggered? Have a feeling he won’t be announced until the next international break.
I think Ruud will take the Chelsea game then Amorim will rock up on the Mon or Tue. His demeanour last night implied it wasn't his last game.
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