Genuinely don’t see why anyone would want Tuchel instead. Are they the type of people who have the same dull meals every night and never try anything different, because they’d rather have something where they know what they’re going to get instead?
Ruben Amorim | United meet Sporting release clause
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) are here to give their reaction just hours after the news has broke. Where did it all go wrong for ETH? What's next for United? and what were the highlights?
They also react to United's loss away at West Ham, including a breakdown of that ridiculous VAR decision.
This was me when Erik ten Hag left Ajax for United btw, minus the charisma part obviously.
Some people are just worried about risk taking after Ten Hag bombed and they want a Prem proven manager. I get it, but I'm excited for Anorim regardless.
I do understand to a certain extent, but Tuchel would have been a treading water appointment, with how it’ll end already decided before it begun I think.
I suppose even after the Ten Hag hire, I still have much more of an appetite for another “risky” hire. There’s just a lot more to gain for me.
Ajax fans warned us Ten Hag didn't have anything until it all clicked, and that was because Overmars and Van Der Sar did the squad building for him.
Not only that, we have quite a few fans who think 'we tried this once, it didn't work' as if everything is always the same and every manager is made equally.
Yes for me at least. Tuchel would have been fecking shite, the others (Poch, Southgate, Potter) well beneath. This is the imo the best possible thing they could have done, fair fecks.
Using the same logic we shouldn't have signed Yoro because Martial didn't work out.
It doesn't apply to players unfortunately. They're always lazy, always toxic, and actively harm their own chances of winning things unless a manager forces them to run a lot in punishment. Then once a manager has been sacked they're considered dead wood and have to be replaced by the new manager before he can be judged.
Erik had Ajax playing the best football they played in 50 years?
A tremendous communicator?
Yeah man, totally. United decided to approach Sporting and commit to paying the reported release clause without having assurances/the go-ahead from Amorim. Makes complete sense. Poison chalice and all
I never thought I’d be excited to see us lineup with 3 at the back, but here we are.
Anything to get away from that god forsaken 4231
It’s absolutely a fantasy XI of course but I am curious whether people think those profiles of players could all flourish in that system? You would never manage to get 11 players of that quality at the same time of course but if you had players of lower level with similar characteristics would the balance work?
The reason I ask is that I feel United with a back 3 has never really felt right because we’re wedded to this idea of wingers and flair.
But if you had two workhorse natural-sided wide players getting up and down like we had in the 99 side with Giggs and Beckham would they be accommodated into this system or would we get exposed?
If instead of having two wide players in a 4-3-3 like we do at the moment or two narrow 10s you had two all action mercurial players like a young Rooney and Ronaldo who are given some freedom to interchange, find space in central areas or drift out wide, express themselves and take the game to the opposition backline, would that work in this system? Or does Amorim need those two players to be more positionally disciplined?
A back 3 has always felt a bit wrong for United but if someone could sell the dream of having a system or way of playing that had the natural width of the 99 team but also the flair and interchanging of the Rooney/Ronaldo era then that’s a very compelling argument.
Not much can be done about it. There's a point where things are outside the club's control. Sporting were required to make a statement yesterday for example. It's impressive what little information has been coming out for a change.
In the end it was :
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An impressive line up.
Anyone know did he play the 3 at the back system at Braga as well before taking the sporting job?
There are no premier league proven managers out there. Every one of them has failed in the PL. Is Poch PL proven? Tuchel? Ancellotti? Emery?
There is nothing even close to a guarantee of success when it comes to managers bar Pep and Klopp and even then I don't know how Pep would do with our current squad and no blank cheques/back hand deals to get the players he wants.
Yeah he did
oh so our politicians and their cronies are just supposed to shit in un-gold plated toilets? think on.
Not for me.
Keeping ten hag on in the summer on the basis of one game was stupid but then compounding that by spending huge amounts of money on players that might not suit the new manager was braindead. This will hamped his ability to bring in essential new players e.g. a left wing back
By appointing amorim now rather than in the summer we are also giving him very little time to make big changes and likely consigning ourselves to another transition season
Just want to reiterate how much I dislike Gary Cotterill from SSN
He wants 3 at the back and we signed the best young CB in Europe, and De Ligt. With Martinez it’s absolutely perfectly balanced for a back3 and tailor made for him, almost as though Ashworth had a plan in mind for squad building with contingency built in.
Oh and then it’s Ugarte, one of Amorim’s old players and best success stories.
Yeah, I think you’ve completely missed that we didn’t build for Ten Hag this Summer.
My take on the topic of Tuchel is I don't want a coach/manager that can't crack it at Bayern. Hence the reason I'm not sold on Naiglesman
Bayern is the epitome of a well ran club, in a league that's been dominated by them over the last two decades. You have all the tools, and if you can't win the league there - I just don't think you're crème de la crème.
Yes, Alonso has stormed the league, but still, if you're good you should be 3-4 points behind him... not 18, and still sitting behind Stuttgart.
Everyone is a risk/unknown at how they'll adapt to the Prem and United. It's normal to be optimistic and hopeful, that's the whole thing about being a fan.
What about zirkzee, where does he fit in?
De ligt maybe a centre back but I don't buy him and martinez make for a perfect back 3. I don't think he is any better in a back 3 than Maguire would be.
If we weren't buying those for ten hag it is a suprise they followed the pattern of ten hag signings.
The money could have been better spent on a left wing back / left back
Ugarte is the one signing that wasn't a ten hag pick but so far there are questions about whether he will improve us
All in all its been very much a continuation of the Woodward regime from ineos and there hires
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He's a twat.
He lacks the warmth and depth.
Doubt it, they reckon he is taking charge of Sportings next game on Friday. He hasn’t even said he’s definitely leaving.
Chickens and a basket springs to mind, I hope we have a back up plan, just in case.
That’s the point it hasn’t been well run for the last few years. Their fans are upset with the new executive.
Sorry but I think you are giving far too much credit to Ashworth.
The financial cost of paying Erik out of the contract they extended just about three months ago suggests they did not make signings with Amorim in mind.
The guy who pushes small children out of the way to get an interview?
Have you read Whitwell's new article? Certainly reads like, at least some of, the new executive committee didn't fancy Erik and recruited in a way to push him out. The Mctominay sale stands out as that type of recruitment decision in hindsight (in a season where we lack goals ehatever you think of him as an all round player.)
Wait, wasn’t Bayern only a point behind the leaders when they replaced Nagelsmann with Tuchel? And didn’t he win the league with Bayern in his first season?
Also, from reading posts from Bayern fans on here, it seems they haven’t been as well run recently as the Caf believes. There’s a reason they’re trying to trim a bloated/overpaid squad as well. I also don’t think getting rid of Nagelsmann was supported by the majority of the support base - especially not with Tuchel. But I could be wrong. @FCBayern @strongwalker
It feels to me like we've bought players that suit his style over the summer. I wonder has Amorim always been viewed as ETH's replacement?
If as a fan you can’t get excited by your club going out and getting one of the best young managers in world football, if not the best then why do you even follow the team? He was our first choice to replace baldy from the looks of it too.
This whole premier league proven argument hasn’t worked. We had arguably the 2nd or 3rd best premier league manager in Mourinho and it didn’t work. He was a multiple league winner with Chelsea.
And you want Tuchel who has had issues with management at every club he has been to so far - Chelsea, PSG and Bayern. Oh when you say Tuchel is premier league proven, what do you mean? Cause he managed here for 2 years? He didn’t win the league with Chelsea so what makes you think he can do it here.
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SINGLE COLUMN!!!
I know what you mean, but talking about the side you named I think it would work with those regardless. Not just cause they are all incredible in their own right, they are what you need in the system named.
Defence - perfect blend of physicality, aggression, speed, and comfortable on the ball. Sure, Rio a lot more so than Vidic but he was still very good, and Stam was great all round. Would be very astutre having those three there.
Midfield - Understand what you are saying, but Beckham was one of the fittest players I've ever seen, and playing him as a RWB wouldn't negate any of his strengths in my opinion. Giggs maybe a bit more of a risk, but again incredible fitness and athleticism I think would more than compensate. Then having two of the greatest CMs in there, no problem at all. Literally every attribute you need in a player there is covered.
Attack - Rooney off the left side, similar to when we were winning everything, I'd have absolutely no issues with. Only problem would be the Ronaldo / RvP positions, and with how smart a player RvP was I'd personally play him off the other shoulder with Ronaldo in front. Or the suggestion you have made which is good, narrow 10s in behind one forward.
Sure, always issues that could arise and only a fantasy discussion, but the players named in the system suggested, yeah I think they smash everyone.
They obviously had their eye on Amorim for a while and knew his system. So signing Yoro made sense. They probably knew that they’d eventually need to sack ETH and bring in their own manager to kickstart their own era.