Ruben Amorim | United meet Sporting release clause

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The Firestarter said:
Surely they can if that's a condition in the contract he has.
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Can’t see how a contract could be written in that way, and be legal. They can hold him to a notice period if he quits, but they can’t have a buy-out clause that still requires a notice period. If we pay the money he’s ours imo.
 
Maluco said:
I am worried about certain elements in the squad undermining him. I still think there needs to be a mini clear out to give him control and authority.

Still a few players that have been here way too long and feel like they own the place.
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I think it's going to be a bit different. He's new management signature hire, they'll be backing him.
 
Dazzmondo said:
That's not a compromise. That's simply buying out the rest of his contract/triggering the release clause for "top clubs". Sporting don't have a say in that. A compromise would be them allowing Amorim to start immediately and wave the notice period.
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It seems like you're panicking he's not gonna start till the end of November, that will categorically not be the case.
 
Seems crazy that we've only just brought in Ruud and Hake and we might already be getting rid of them, idiotic appointments in hindsight.
 
George The Best said:
Can’t see how a contract could be written in that way, and be legal. They can hold him to a notice period if he quits, but they can’t have a buy-out clause that still requires a notice period. If we pay the money he’s ours imo.
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Having a buy out clause is not mandatory. So we might even have had to negotiate a release in the first place if it wasn't there. The condition in question is to protect the club from losing their manager and staff overnight . It makes sense.

There are much more restrictive work contracts in other industries. For example some positions have non compete clauses meaning that you can't work in the same field for another company , some times for couple of years.
 
AltiUn said:
It seems like you're panicking he's not gonna start till the end of November, that will categorically not be the case.
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Not panicking. I expect it will be sorted and he'll be able to take over earlier. Doesn't mean calling the €10m a compromise wasn't categorically wrong
 
I was skeptical when we signed with ETH because he came from Ajax from a "minor" league where Ajax was clearly the best team.

But for the same reason, I am again skeptical. Amorim, like ETH, comes from a "minor" league where his club, Sporting, is the best team.

It will be completely different to get to the PL, where United should perhaps be among the top 6-8 teams right now. And there will be teams and managers who are at least as good.

I would have preferred a manager with PL experience who had already shown results despite there being better teams than his own in the league. For example, Thomas Frank from Brentford, who has achieved good results with a small budget, even though most teams in the league are better than his own.
 
As any manager he needs time. If he comes. Sack the manager - army needs to understand that. Something that they haven't when they demanded trophies and glory after one game.
 
Hester_manc said:
I was skeptical when we signed with ETH because he came from Ajax from a "minor" league where Ajax was clearly the best team.

But for the same reason, I am again skeptical. Amorim, like ETH, comes from a "minor" league where his club, Sporting, is the best team.

It will be completely different to get to the PL, where United should perhaps be among the top 6-8 teams right now. And there will be teams and managers who are at least as good.

I would have preferred a manager with PL experience who had already shown results despite there being better teams than his own in the league. For example, Thomas Frank from Brentford, who has achieved good results with a small budget, even though most teams in the league are better than his own.
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To be fair he made Sporting the best team. Porto would be dominating the league without him.
 
Hester_manc said:
I was skeptical when we signed with ETH because he came from Ajax from a "minor" league where Ajax was clearly the best team.

But for the same reason, I am again skeptical. Amorim, like ETH, comes from a "minor" league where his club, Sporting, is the best team.

It will be completely different to get to the PL, where United should perhaps be among the top 6-8 teams right now. And there will be teams and managers who are at least as good.

I would have preferred a manager with PL experience who had already shown results despite there being better teams than his own in the league. For example, Thomas Frank from Brentford, who has achieved good results with a small budget, even though most teams in the league are better than his own.
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They're only the best team because of him though.
 
Hester_manc said:
I was skeptical when we signed with ETH because he came from Ajax from a "minor" league where Ajax was clearly the best team.

But for the same reason, I am again skeptical. Amorim, like ETH, comes from a "minor" league where his club, Sporting, is the best team.

It will be completely different to get to the PL, where United should perhaps be among the top 6-8 teams right now. And there will be teams and managers who are at least as good.

I would have preferred a manager with PL experience who had already shown results despite there being better teams than his own in the league. For example, Thomas Frank from Brentford, who has achieved good results with a small budget, even though most teams in the league are better than his own.
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Sporting is the best team currently but usually it is Porto or Benfica arent they? Turning Sporting in the best club is a harder challenge than turning Ajax into the best club.
 
Rozay said:
Don’t have the best feeing with this choice, although that is part rationale and partly just pure instinct. The 352 thing irks me a bit, and the fear that he has no idea how much of a step up in the size of the challenge this would be. We’ve had only two successful managers ever really, and have an unrivalled status. Dealing with the players here and the scavenging press is a lot to ask of someone so young and inexperienced. I’d have liked Xavi or Hoeness personally, or McKenna as a young option.

But then again, I think he’s different enough and this is crazy enough that it just might work!
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Are they more experienced?
 
Hester_manc said:
I was skeptical when we signed with ETH because he came from Ajax from a "minor" league where Ajax was clearly the best team.

But for the same reason, I am again skeptical. Amorim, like ETH, comes from a "minor" league where his club, Sporting, is the best team.

It will be completely different to get to the PL, where United should perhaps be among the top 6-8 teams right now. And there will be teams and managers who are at least as good.

I would have preferred a manager with PL experience who had already shown results despite there being better teams than his own in the league. For example, Thomas Frank from Brentford, who has achieved good results with a small budget, even though most teams in the league are better than his own.
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It's the best team because Ruben Amorim made us the best team. Before that Sporting didn't win a single PT title in 19 years and now we have 2 titles in 4 years (and well placed to win a 3º title).
During those 19 years, it was pretty much a duopoly between Benfica and Porto.
 
Frosty said:
It honestly depends on the contract. The buyout clause is just the amount of compensation to be paid, and doesn't relate to a notice period.
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But if we buy out his contract, then there's no longer a contract he's obligated to fulfil, so how can there be any notice period?
 
croadyman said:
Who do you think could follow him here then either in January or more likely next summer then

One thing I will say is I had Nagelsmann above him on my list, however that would have left City to potentially pick him up next summer. I'm certain he would have become the top target with Viana going there as DOF.
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Ousmane Diomande, a young physical defender.

Viktor Gyökeres shits goals, knows his system but with two already young strikers on the books, not sure we’d make this move.

To name a couple of the more obviously choices.
 
I'm particularly excited with having a 39 year old on the touchline. Hope he has trendy trainers and funny clothes.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
But if we buy out his contract, then there's no longer a contract he's obligated to fulfil, so how can there be any notice period?
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The release clause could just be the stated compensation for a buyout, or for a new employer to enter into negotiations with the manager. As opposed to the contract being silent and United having to make bids.

The notice period is common with backroom staff and executives, to ensure that they don't take confidential knowledge with them, like a period of gardening leave. I expect that notice period would have been far more relevant had Amorim left for Benfica or Porto.

I expect the clubs will be negotiating on that point too, with Sporting either waving the period as he is going to another country, or United paying a small extra fee to shorten or remove the period. A bit like we did with Ashworth. I don't think this is a stumbling block in any way.
 
Hester_manc said:
I was skeptical when we signed with ETH because he came from Ajax from a "minor" league where Ajax was clearly the best team.

But for the same reason, I am again skeptical. Amorim, like ETH, comes from a "minor" league where his club, Sporting, is the best team.

It will be completely different to get to the PL, where United should perhaps be among the top 6-8 teams right now. And there will be teams and managers who are at least as good.

I would have preferred a manager with PL experience who had already shown results despite there being better teams than his own in the league. For example, Thomas Frank from Brentford, who has achieved good results with a small budget, even though most teams in the league are better than his own.
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Sporting wasn't the best team when he took over tbf. Both Benfica and Porto had/have significantly more in terms of budget/income. In comparison, Ajax had been poor before ETH took over but they still had by far the largest income in the league and thus should have been winning it comfortably. More of a reflection of how poor the management/ownership of Ajax had been prior to ETH.

I like Frank tbf, but let's not pretend going for managers with PL experience has any particularly high success rate. Moyes went terribly. Jose was ok, but not great either. Marezca and Slot are both performing well despite having no PL experience. Pep had no PL experience before joining City. Chelsea failed hard with Potter despite his PL experience and seem to be doing better under Marezca than Poch who again had extensive PL experience. Klopp had no PL experience before joining Liverpool, etc.
 
Teja said:
Not sure how they came up with that release clause because it's a bit unfair. They paid 10m to get the guy in the first place.
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Paying another club in the league 10m for their manager is massive in Portugal
 
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