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Sky have gone from him being the most promising manager (when linked to City) to now being in-experienced. sh!tshow
I didn't read back far enough to get the full context of your post, so apologies for that.How did you put 2 and 2 together and get 5? When exactly did I say Ange is what I wanted at United? I said his system had a significant style of play within weeks at Spurs, which is right. I never said they will win trophies or I want Ange here. It’s just that a new manager can set the team up right and change system of play within weeks.
I'd agree with that. Essential in my eyes that they're genuinely left footed also. Alvaro Fernandez might be an option to bring back but we need another
Shaw started as LWB against Italy in the Euros final and was excellentThere’s a reason I put a * next to Shaw.
Yup. We lack players who are strong runners. Eriksen, Zirkzee and Casemiro are the obvious ones, but also Mainoo is no strong runner. Rashford, Garnacho and Shaw have great pace but lack stamina to run up and down the pitch for 95 minutes. Ugarte and Bruno are strong runners.Amorim is a very good choice but it all depends on the recruitment if he is to succeed. The EPL is different challenge and it requires a high level of physical and athletic flooring to succeed to compete with the very best. If you have a high level in that regard then the intensity of your own game will go up levels and will in-turn provide a solid platform for the team's more technically proficient players to thrive. We're not even close to the bench mark in the league in that regard and even teams like Spurs and Villa are much stronger than us when it comes to eating up ground quickly and closing off the space hence their coaching staff have tools at their disposable which allows them to play a more expansive game with a higher intensity which gets the crowd going.
The current Man Utd team is weak when it comes to closing off spaces due to the reasons stated above. And the biggest problem is in midfield where not only do we lack physicality and athleticism but also a creative element. And as good as Eriksen has been in central midfield, we need a higher level of creativity with added dynamism which is missing right now. So Amorim is a good choice but if they carry on mis-diagnozing the problems then it won't be long before a section of the fan base turns on Amorim. Because it doesn't matter how good of a coach you're if you don't have the tools at your disposable to execute your principles on the pitch in a EPL that is very strong both as far as opposition teams and opposing coaching acumen is concerned.
I also think it would great if Amorim could start immediately. It would give him a free pass for the rest of the season to hopefully diagnose the issues. I think there's a real advantage to coming in mid-season which gives you more time to put things right without added pressure.
I don't see the issue with playing 3 at the back generally but it might be a issue with the players we have, so I think he'll compromise. But compromising on a formation doesn't mean you have to compromise on your system of play or principles. It's just a formation.
His tactics are simple and effective where his teams look to build up from the back before transitioning the ball quickly into advanced forward positions. He doesn't like to over play with passes and his players from the back line and midfield look to break lines consistently. There's a few interesting players in the SCP team who look very interesting as far as helping us raise the physical and athletic flooring of the team. And if the long-term plan is to go with a back 3, then I really hope we go for the young Ivorian CB (Diomande) who I think could develop into a really good player with all the physical, athletic and technical qualities for the EPL.
He’s world class when fit.Shaw started as LWB against Italy in the Euros final and was excellent
Our very own Peter Kenyon.I can’t help but think this is an Omar Berada led appointment.
I really do think City were lining him up with Viana joining ahead of him and Berada knows that not only can we get a top class talent but we can also put a stick in City’s spokes while we are at it.
I think people got fairly poor info about ETH at Ajax. He had haller up front for a season and played a lot more like we saw at united. Most games they are playing minnows so people look at average possession etc and extrapolate nonsense.I personally refuse to engulf myself in any tactics applied by Amorim at his current club. I did that with ETH and we know what happened at Utd.
If he is to be the new coach, I wanna assess him based on nothing but fresh information
Fitness is the reason for the *.Shaw started as LWB against Italy in the Euros final and was excellent
He's either fit or he isn't, there's no fit enough for CB but not LWB unless his legs are entirely goneFitness is the reason for the *.
Caught him out once when he wrote a piece about the end of Frank O'Farrell's reign at United. He wrote about stuff that happened during a match at Sehurst Park in December 1972 as if he were there. I commented that he could have no first-hand knowledge as the game was played 4 years before he was born. The comment was deleted in short order. He's a bluffer.I quite like Jonathan Wilson, at least when he talks about obscure football tactics from the 1970s or whatnot. But he really has it in for United these days.
True. I’d be very happy if we switched to 3 at the back and think it will suit our CBs. Luckily aswell we can play the 3 at top with wingers or even change it to 3-5-2 with 2 up top.Yep, assumption based on his tactics at Sporting for the last few years. We say it suits the players but does it? 3 at the back might suit the players better with Licha, De Ligt, Yoro, Mainoo and Ugarte in CM. This gives Bruno Rashford some freedom whilst having Dalot/ Maz / Shaw as full backs.
Attacking wingbacks.. Defensive wingers... pick your poison.He said attacking wingbacks.
Just making my point mate - that with a good manager, the style of play and the system can change and be visible within weeks.I didn't read back far enough to get the full context of your post, so apologies for that.
But since I did take you out of context, I'll give an example of a manager who has had both relative success and instant change in playing style, Emery at Villa.
And never kicked a ball since. I'd hope I'm wrong on this but he'll never be fit enough to be a wing back at this point of his career and the injury troubles he's had. Its an extremely demanding positionShaw started as LWB against Italy in the Euros final and was excellent
Glad to be wrong for once.@Leftback99 was the king of these rhetorics.
For onceGlad to be wrong for once.
Doesn't really prove it either way though. Can still be that they didn't want to because of cost, it just reached the point where they simply had to. The knock on impact of the £20m+? will be felt somewhere down the line.
I can’t help but think this is an Omar Berada led appointment.
I really do think City were lining him up with Viana joining ahead of him and Berada knows that not only can we get a top class talent but we can also put a stick in City’s spokes while we are at it.
I can’t help but think this is an Omar Berada led appointment.
I really do think City were lining him up with Viana joining ahead of him and Berada knows that not only can we get a top class talent but we can also put a stick in City’s spokes while we are at it.
‘Left’he also left Sporting towards end of title charge to go and have talks with West Ham
Problem with ETH was that he underestimated the physical requirements for this league which meant that his style wasn't transferable to the PL and United with the players he spent a fortune on. Look at Antony, looks like a top winger in Holland but can't hack it in the PL. His failure to recognise this and adapt is what cost us because watching Arsenal they play a similar style albeit with more emphasis on possession, maybe another reason why it failed cause it must taxing to be on the backfoot two or three passes after exerting energy to win the ball back every other move.I think people got fairly poor info about ETH at Ajax. He had haller up front for a season and played a lot more like we saw at united. Most games they are playing minnows so people look at average possession etc and extrapolate nonsense.
Reading about amorim, the same issues apply, but in bigger domestic games or European games they give up a lot of possession, so I think that is probably the base case for style.
Sky have gone from him being the most promising manager (when linked to City) to now being in-experienced. sh!tshow
Didn’t aim at you. It was aimed at the people who don’t think 3-5-3 is possible in the PL.Excuse me? Explain why you are aiming that comment at me.
Dyslexia then? Just jokingTBF to me I didn't get past the first line of his post.
Rashford can be one of the first out of the door then
I agree that our squad lacks dynamic players, but I also think that ETH's tactical setup, which had Casemiro covering about 50 square yards last season and his lack of rotation exaggerated the lack of athleticism in the squad.Yup. We lack players who are strong runners. Eriksen, Zirkzee and Casemiro are the obvious ones, but also Mainoo is no strong runner. Rashford, Garnacho and Shaw have great pace but lack stamina to run up and down the pitch for 95 minutes. Ugarte and Bruno are strong runners.
It will be a challenge to play any other game than counter attacking with the current group of players, as ETH discovered. West Ham first half was great however.
Glad to be wrong for once.
Doesn't really prove it either way though. Can still be that they didn't want to because of cost, it just reached the point where they simply had to. The knock on impact of the £20m+? will be felt somewhere down the line.
The predictable City brief that they were never interested.
Maybe, or it could just be that he was the best manager available.I can’t help but think this is an Omar Berada led appointment.
I really do think City were lining him up with Viana joining ahead of him and Berada knows that not only can we get a top class talent but we can also put a stick in City’s spokes while we are at it.
Very easy to write United off when they’re stinking up the bottom half having now racked up a catalogue of failed managers.Expected.
It's Utd, negativity = clicks for those gowls.
Glad to be wrong for once.
Doesn't really prove it either way though. Can still be that they didn't want to because of cost, it just reached the point where they simply had to. The knock on impact of the £20m+? will be felt somewhere down the line.