Ruben Amorim | United meet Sporting release clause

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FreakyJim said:
People are saying most teams play 3 at the back but are they? Do they play 3 CBs and TWO full backs as wing backs? City doesn't. Not one team from the top 6 does it. They may have a CB playing as a left back or right back sometimes, but they don't put another full back in there in place of a forward.

I'm all for Rashford sitting on the bench but not for Maguire.

Something like: Dalot - De Ligt - Maguire - Martinez - Shaw just makes me want to vomit a little.
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Give me Maguire in a functioning 343 over a half-arsed Rashford in a 433/4231 any day of the week.
 
Stinkypete said:
The 3 at the back discourse stems way way back. English players don't understand 3 at the back football, it's all about the 4, anything else is a disaster.

Steve McLaren wanted to play 3 at the back for England and did. He sent the team sheet up, ITV lined it up as a 3-6-1 or whatever it was at the time and then spent every minute of pundit time criticising the foreign concept that is the 3.

It's why 9 times out of 10 whenever you see a team sheet it's a 4-3-3 or a 4-5-1. You even see it with City sometimes where they will put down a safe formation but then they get on the pitch and the commentator will say so and so actually seems to be playing in Midfield or whatever.

For whatever reason, old hats associate 3 at the back as a back 5, and even worse so that knowledge becomes generational despite the fact that a lot of teams build with 3 at the back in modern football. Southgate has not modernised that opinion either.
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True. The daft thing is that the idea of centre backs splitting and a midfielder dropping into the back line to make a 3 in possession is accepted as normal these days. But for some reason the English media in particular are still iffy about teams where you make that back 3 in a different way.
 
DJ_21 said:
Will he be in our dug out tomorrow night then? Or possibly in OT. Ruud will most likely get 1 game and then Amorim first game against Chelsea
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Ruud stays on for one game and then given a choice, stay on as Benni’s replacement to help our forwards who I would love as I think our forwards like him and respect him or he goes back to managing in the Dutch league.
 
LARulz said:
So Ruud only gets 1 game?

As much as I've wanted Amorim for a couple years, I still expected (maybe even want) him to come in the summer. Let Ruud do this season so Amorim isn't tainted with this season's poor start and judged cos of it
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There maybe other clubs after him come the summer.

Bird in hand
 
So close, no matter how far
with a name like a sports car
He’s gotta be a superstar
And we all adore him

Never opened ourself this way
The ball is ours, we kick it our way
All these goals - we will just say
We got you, Amorim

Never care for what they say
Never care for how they play
Amorim

Tarrou said:
Amorim the dream
that is what we are
gonna win the league
how can we be wrong?
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Telsim said:
I remember watching the same type of clips back when Ten Hag was hired. Seems to rely on accurate passing and good control, which immediately disqualifies the majority of this squad. Just saying.
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Newsflash, every top manager wants that - he also has to coach/choose the right players to be capable.
 
Mike Smalling said:
Not 14th specifically, just looking for a new manager.
Naively the ETH felt right at the time and gave me some hope, which was sort of reinforced during the first season. Now I’m just fully jaded, and basically think any manager will fail here.
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We were off the pace for over 2 decades before Fergie managed to get the title 92/93 and swing us back to the top.
Liverpool were off the pace and went through many managers for decades before Klopp swung them back up top again.
Going through a rough period where a handful of managers are unsuccesful is nothing crazy unusual that should have fans throwing in the towel. Ruben might be brilliant for us or he will also fail. Then we kick him out and give another manager a go. It is what all clubs do.
We are not an impossible club to succed in and we are not as far away from the top as this league start might have us believe.
 
romufc said:
I mean they have conceded what 2 goals this season in the league as well. So here is me hoping that he can get us defensively sound.

The one thing I want to see from the next manager is compactness, knowing that when we dont have the ball, we will be hard to break down.
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Some of the players like Rashford are lazy shits though. Will be a real test of his man management and motivation skills to get this lot going.
 
Gordon S said:
We were off the pace for over 2 decades before Fergie managed to get the title 92/93 and swing us back to the top.
Liverpool were off the pace and went through many managers for decades before Klopp swung them back up top again.
Going through a rough period where a handful of managers are unsuccesful is nothing crazy unusual that should have fans throwing in the towel. Ruben might be brilliant for us or he will also fail. Then we kick him out and give another manager a go. It is what all clubs do.
We are not an impossible club to succed in and we are not as far away from the top as this league start might have us believe.
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I guess that's the right way to look at it. Hopefully we can sort things out behind the scenes, while a hopefully more competent manager gets the most out of the squad (which ETH certainly hasn't done the last season and a half).

Whether it's Amorin or not, I am actually excited to see someone else coach this group of players. Even just Ruud in the interim.
 
Telsim said:
I remember watching the same type of clips back when Ten Hag was hired. Seems to rely on accurate passing and good control, which immediately disqualifies the majority of this squad. Just saying.
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Could be high on hopium right now, but I think one of ETH's fatal flaws was his poor english, imagine trying to communicate complex tactical ideas to a multi-national squad.

From what I've read Amorim seems to be a charismatic leader with good communication skills so hopefully getting the players first to understand and then buy into his ideas should be easier?

Maybe? Please?
 
DevilRed said:
Some of the players like Rashford are lazy shits though. Will be a real test of his man management and motivation skills to get this lot going.
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Thankfully, we have a board who understand football now and if they see laziness creep into the same players again, they will back the manager they are appointing.

You can see the shift is happening again, player power is now losing its power and managers are being backed. Liverpool and Chelsea both, the managers are backed over players.

This is Rashford last chance really.
 
With Amorim most likely coming in it makes the links to Alphonso Davies much more credible as he’s literally the perfect left wing back in Amorim’s 3-4-3 system and it would also suit Amass I think too, Shaw when fit could move to left centre back as back up to Martinez and we’d definitely get the best out of Ugarte too.

Also think all of Rashford, Diallo and Garnacho would perform better further forward in a front three either side of Hojlund, honestly don’t see where Fernandes fits though unless he’s told to play a disciplined central midfield squad role but what’s for certain is we wouldn’t get steamrolled through midfield every week under Amorim.
 
LARulz said:
So Ruud only gets 1 game?

As much as I've wanted Amorim for a couple years, I still expected (maybe even want) him to come in the summer. Let Ruud do this season so Amorim isn't tainted with this season's poor start and judged cos of it
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He won't be judged on this season anyway so he might as well come in and have a go.
 
crossy1686 said:
No but he'll be doing the tour of the facilities, doing the press stuff, and signing a contract you would imagine.
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I wouldn't imagine!
A deal would have to be agreed with Sporting first and unless those talks started well before yesterday I think that is premature.
 
If we do appoint him this week he won't be in charge for the Chelsea game. He won't even get an opportunity to take training.
 
stubie said:
If this is the appointment then consider me done with the club

Another yes puppet for the club for the next 3 years!
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Yeah but you see you won't be done with the club will you? You'll perhaps miss a game or two and then you'll miss it and realise how irrational you're being and you'll be back to watching every game again.

Don't be disingenuous, it just leads to being disappointed in yourself.
 
astracrazy said:
He has a release clause, it doesn't need agreeing if we pay it.
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There's some negotiation taking place. It could be around payment terms and structuring the release amount. I'd imagine it's a quicker conversation but also not like a contactless payment!
 
klayton88 said:
Do we have the players who can play his style or are we back to needing another four windows again? Which players are likely to benefit from him?
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Players likely to benefit:
Mainoo/Ugarte
Martinez
Bruno

Players i'm unsure how they fit:
Mazraoui
Amad - can he play in the wide wing back role?
Mount - I guess he just remains Bruno's backup.

Overall, the players fit quite nicely but we definitely need more depth in the wide positions.
 
I know less about him than I did about Ten Hag but I'm glad we are going for a young manager and nor reverting towards a more experienced/safer option.
 
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