My concerns are more about the suitability to play wing-back for our current list of full-backs. I'm somewhat optimistic, though, and probably both Ineos and Amorim have considered this too.
Ruben Amorim | United meet Sporting release clause
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) are here to give their reaction just hours after the news has broke. Where did it all go wrong for ETH? What's next for United? and what were the highlights?
They also react to United's loss away at West Ham, including a breakdown of that ridiculous VAR decision.
My concerns are more about the suitability to play wing-back for our current list of full-backs. I'm somewhat optimistic, though, and probably both Ineos and Amorim have considered this too.
Way better option than Southgate or Potter. For me, definitely Ruben AmorIN!
Call me a pessimist but weren't we all this excited when ETH was announced as Many Utd manager. Even during poll overwhelming majority chose ETH. And look how that turned out. Although I am really excited about this news but am not getting my hopes up. I will only believe the hype once I see the results.
We were. ETH was the hot shit back then, Amorim is the hot shit now.
I honestly prefer us going for a promising manager, and i can’t really be grateful enough that Southgate isn’t being mentioned as an option, but the same conversations were pretty much had when we were hiring Ten Hag.
The only good news is that Amorim, in theory, should have a much better foundation to work on compared to what Ten Hag originally had.
I've just watched some of their goals under him and they seem to do this really weird thing where they cross the ball towards the striker.
It's unfamiliar and made me a bit dizzy.
It's unfamiliar and made me a bit dizzy.
They probably didn’t understand that they can shoot instead of crossing.
Is it possible to learn this power?
Feels like a waste of time when you can just pelt 60 yard passes in behind the back 4, the pass doesn't even need to be on.
I get what you’re saying but only a couple games ago we saw Dalot incapable of finding a player when no defenders were around. Can’t say that a coach will improve technical abilities of our players
Wait till he gets here and finds out our wingers don’t do crossing.
I watched the first half of Sporting vs Lille just to get a feel for how they setup and these are my observations so far:
- They play a pretty standard 5-2-3 with wing backs pushing high up and allowed to attack with freedom
- Defensive midfielder comes deep to pick up the ball and seems a very important part of the system
- Attackers press fairly high with intensity
- It doesn't seem like they have a tiki-taka ideology like Pep and not afraid to play long ball, and fast transitions
- The striker is playing as a modern target man
No manager will be successful without iron fist and deals with backroom issues first and foremost
Some of them were quite good. I thought we were quite good in the first half against West Ham, mostly on the front foot and exploiting their weaknesses, unlucky not to be in front by 2 or 3 goals (or chalk it down to incompetence) and then we just collapsed ahead of the second half.
I think people are being somewhat unfair, but that’s nothing new. It’s not like everything has been completely random and just punts forward. Managers try to introduce something and then, especially at our club, find themselves in a position where they need to compromise. It’s naive to think that someone like Amorim will join the club and be an instant success story, compromises will be made.
Amorim, or whoever we hire, will hopefully have a better foundation to build on, but i honestly feel like i’m at the stage where i don’t really give a shit if it’s name X, Y or Z, as long as it’s not fecking S followed by outhgate. We’ll hire someone, they’ll have time and either it works or it doesn’t, then the cycle continues.
Yeah I wasn't talking about West Ham specifically. More Bruno's general lazy long balls all season. Casemiro has played some lovely long passes over the last few matches.
Its not our fault that ETH decided to abandon everything good that he did with Ajax when he took up the Utd job. We were right to be excited but he literally never ever gave it a shot(playing like Ajax).
Hopefully Amorim is more sincere towards his philosophy.
Yeah, i think we’re stuck with those for the time being. Maybe a new manager will manage Bruno in a better way where we get more of the upside and a lot less of the downside of his performances, feck do i know. For me, more often than not, i felt that our inability to take our chances, and we had quite a few of them, fecked with our minds and sent us into a downward spiral.
It’s generally called taking an realistic approach to what you have in front of you.
I’ll be amazed if Amorim, or anyone else for that matter, walks in and instantly changes things around, but i’ll happily celebrate it if it actually happens.
As always, it comes down to how managers adapt when they come here, and then if they can keep improving after other top managers adapt to their initial impact.
Many coaches have a good short term impact. Not too many can make it lasting and stay ahead of the curve.
Then there is way to implement the realistic approach (btw I don’t know how realistic it is to play with 1 midfielder whole game, causing a gigantic whole in the midfield). He bought players that suited another philosophy and then tried to play something else. Even after losing the job he wouldn’t know what his best XI was.
Sometimes you have to rock the boat, I hope the next manager sticks to what he knows best.
I also don't think being pessimistic is a bad thing. It's the managers job to prove he's good enough.
Immediately giving them the benefit of the doubt on everything until things end up as bad as they can be is why we've ended up taking too long to sack every post Fergie manager.
What a young manager. Guess he will bring in a lot of energy to the squad!
We hardly played with 1 midfielder and i have little doubt he’d easily tell you his preferred XI. All in all it doesn’t really matter, best case i’m wrong and worst case i’m right. I think you try to be ideal when you walk in the door and then you do your best to be practical about what you have in front of you and how you solve the problems you’re facing. We’ll see how Amorim fares.
Dalot and mazraoui can play that role. The rest can't play football anymore
In a weird way the timing might be a plus.
We now have around 6 months to see what the new manager does with the current side before the first summer transfer window. So we get something of a separation between his early performance as an actual manager and recruitment. And also get a chance to see what the squad actually lacks under him, rather than trying to predict in advance.
Whereas with Moyes, LVG, Mourinho and Ten Hag we were spending in the summer without them having got to grips with the squad yet. And given how bad our recruitment was, it was like immediately tying an anchor around their neck.
We now have around 6 months to see what the new manager does with the current side before the first summer transfer window. So we get something of a separation between his early performance as an actual manager and recruitment. And also get a chance to see what the squad actually lacks under him, rather than trying to predict in advance.
Whereas with Moyes, LVG, Mourinho and Ten Hag we were spending in the summer without them having got to grips with the squad yet. And given how bad our recruitment was, it was like immediately tying an anchor around their neck.
ETH publicly said the didn't have the players to play like Ajax.
But Antony did !!!
@Sly do you think Amorim is capable of implementing a 4-3-3 or any 4-man defense formation to a high level, whether in his first season at United or in the future? If he joins, of course.
I wouldn't mind the back 3, but do you think he has the ability to eventually become more flexible if needed, like Tuchel, for example
I wouldn't mind the back 3, but do you think he has the ability to eventually become more flexible if needed, like Tuchel, for example
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Brave as no other if he comes in now. A lot of people will be expecting top 6 and progression in Europe. A lot of money and transfer plans riding on him getting this squad up to scratch quickly, and he will have to settle for whaf we have for a good while. The media won't be kind if he fails.
I'm excited. Just accepting the job at this point in the season would be a fantastic sign of the man's managerial character.
Surprised about the Amorim noise, but would be very happy with him.
I wonder if this has actually been in the pipeline for quite a while, given how quickly it seems to (maybe) be happening.
I wonder if this has actually been in the pipeline for quite a while, given how quickly it seems to (maybe) be happening.
I'd wait a bit before making this statement. There have been too many non-contact injuries under ETH and the trainings under him very famously incredibly intense. Maybe we can be cautiously optimistic about the injury situation getting better after his departure, although Shaw will definitely have to be managed carefully when he comes back and starts playing. Malacia is a question mark, obviously.
Hope you are right about Dalot and Mazraoui. We might also see Amass be given a chance and maybe we'll bring back Carreras in the near future as well. We might also make a big push for Alphonso Davies now...or buy a similar player for cheaper like Patrick Dorgu and develop him.
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I’m hoping this means we will go back in the winter window
Quite the swift and efficient change if this gets wrapped up this week.
Not used to that
A few can play squad roles but barely anyone is genuinely starting material. I cringe when I see people thinking LW and RW are sorted because of Garnacho and Amad, for example.
I have no idea who this manager is. Please do not mess this up. I just want to look forward to the matches again. Please.
Quite the swift and efficient change if this gets wrapped up this week.
Not used to that
Van Nistelrooy, interim for a day.
I like this, this Squad is better than 14th, and 8th last season, maybe it is not top 4 quality, but it is not too far below it too, if he knows his shit, he will figure out what to do with these set of players and make it work.
I have two main concerns about any appointment.
First of all whether his style fits the squad we have, not some fantasy of how we want to play regardless of personnel.
Secondly does he have the personality to handle the pressure of being United manager and the ability to whip our dressing room into shape while also keeping them onside?
They need to be our priorities when picking a new manager. If he matches those then great.
First of all whether his style fits the squad we have, not some fantasy of how we want to play regardless of personnel.
Secondly does he have the personality to handle the pressure of being United manager and the ability to whip our dressing room into shape while also keeping them onside?
They need to be our priorities when picking a new manager. If he matches those then great.
Let's rim our way back to the top
He is going to have to be a miracle worker to get a tune out of this lot.
I can see Rashy being the odd man out in Amorim's system. His system requires winger to be a inverted AM in certain situation while in possesion. Rashford always want to stick to the sideline.
Well that alleviates the small amount of doubts I had. That’s some first post and what a position to be in, almost like sharing a lover.Hey guys it is my first post on this forum despite that I have been reading it on the last few hours, Sporting CP fan here and a long time Manchester United fan since the Eric Cantona days (probably the first non-Portuguese League player I have ever admired) and specially since that epic 2-1 final in Camp Nou against Bayern Munich. While honestly I hope that, somehow, this is not true, I gotta say here that Ruben Amorim is definitely the best pick for Utd as when he arrived to Sporting we were in a similar crisis as Man Utd currently is, with the difference that we had no money whatsoever to sign good players which I believe it is not the case here. He has little to zero tolerance to lack of commitment and his big strength as a coach is to have a locker room that is a focused, united, dedicated group with hunger for wins and for trophies. While he improved a lot on the quality of football, I still believe that team atmosphere management, motivation, etc, its his biggest strength.
This man won two leagues for us in four years and I believe that 99% of our supporters do not remember the last coach who could do such a thing. I have read Sly's posts and they pretty much explained everything very well but I just signed up here to say that if this is the new coach for Man Utd, please support this man and give him time as he is the man for the job. 100%.
Again, I hope this is not true but, if so, I am happy that is for a club like Manchester United and I hope it is the turning point that this club deserves.
P.S: It is pronounced "Roobehn"
If he can come in and get full effort and commitment and not accept anything less he should do well. The worry is that some of these players can’t produce the effort required out of possession. Regardless this feels more and more like the right appointment. Thanks for the insight.