Ruben Amorim | United meet Sporting release clause

T_Model101 said:
Thanks, this has made it so much clearer....
Box dominator sounds like something I'd be looking to order from Arby's at HT when we're 2-0 to Bournemouth :lol:
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I suppose it's being good at high claims and commanding your defense. Onana's not really an excellent shot stopper, though.
 
3KDré said:
Onana
De Ligt - Yoro - Martinez
Dalot---Ugarte---Mainoo---Shaw
Bruno
Hojlund---Rashford
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Fits our squad well. With Garnacho and Amad In for Bruno and Rashford.
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chris123 said:
Can pretty easily plug this in with our personnel..

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------Yoro--------Martinez------
-------Ugarte----Mainoo-------
Dalot‐---‐-----‐-----------------------Shaw
--------Bruno---------Rashford
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De Ligt in the middle instead of Yoro like @chris123 lined them up and I think this could very well be the default XI that Amorim would start out with. Only part I'm unsure about is the full-backs. Maybe it's time for Amass to break through?
 
FreakyJim said:
Conte and Tuchel, two of the managers that I'd hate the most seeing at Untied and they both use 3-5-2 and one has fluked a CL win with it. Now I'm convinced.
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There was nothing fluky about Chelsea's CL win under Tuchel. They were the better side in every knockout tie.
 
santeria13 said:
Alonso also dominated the bundesliga playing 3 at the back. It's a nonsense take that 3 at the back is for underdogs or a 'defensive' style of football. In most cases, it's actually used with a progressive, attacking style of football.
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In theory, it is used to create an extra man overload in both attack and defence. It is a very difficult style to master, but once you do it, it can be very successful.

I also believe in this modern PL, you need to do something different to break into the title challenge race. We aren't going to play possession better than City or Arsenal, who have been able to master it for years under their managers. But Amorims style still sees his side maintain control of a match, even if they aren't on the ball for the whole game.
 
Himannv said:
I don't really agree. I mean, this is exactly what Ten Hag tried to do. He tried to play a mixture of tactics to suit player strengths and it resulted in disjointed nonsense. He tried to build out from the back, press from the front, get into counter attacking situations, and also try to play quick transitions and he ended up doing none of this well.

Pep, on the other hand, got rid of Joe Hart on day 1 because he didn't fit the system. He almost axed Walker because he wanted his fullback to tuck in more. He's consistently prioritized players that have great technique, tactical flexibility, and those who fit the system he has from the ground up and you can see the rewards.
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Having a mixture of styles or being pragmatic wasn't the problem. Ten Hags United lacked the basic principles of play regardless of tactic or style. Where was the compactness out of possession?

Exactly, he gets players that fit his system and create a balanced team cohesion. But most coaches don't have the luxury to spend £70M on fullbacks.
 
FreakyJim said:
Conte and Tuchel, two of the managers that I'd hate the most seeing at Untied and they both use 3-5-2 and one has fluked a CL win with it. Now I'm convinced.
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Conte's Chelsea was very well disciplined and were a very strong side. Tuchel's Chelsea were comfortably the best side in all of their games in the CL, and for a period of time it was even thought that he could seriously challenge Pep/Klopp.
 
Rojofiam said:
De Ligt in the middle instead of Yoro like @chris123 lined them up and I think this could very well be the default XI that Amorim would start out with. Only part I'm unsure about is the full-backs. Maybe it's time for Amass to break through?
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Re-sign Alvaro Fernandez in January and that fixes part of that issue.
 
Hoping this deal goes through. I’ve been hearing a bit about him recently and he seems to be a good young manager that can improve things for us. Fingers crossed.
 
What does he do with Zirkzee then? He's not prolific enough or active enough to be the target man (that will almost certainly be Hojlund), and I suspect he won't be one of the AMs or wider players in his system.

Will he be his DVdB? Assuming the conspiracy theories about us signing players in the summer with Amorim in mind have a semblance of truth to them, his one doesn't make sense. Feel like he'll inevitably be loaned out before leaving for peanuts. Bizarre signing.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
Was just looking at Sportings squad on transfermarkt. They have got 6 wingers. So he obviously uses wingers in his system in some form.
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Because his formation is often 3-4-3 rather than 3-5-2. Also the wingers can play as CAM’s more narrowly.

Amorim also often used Pedro Goncalves in a CM role. So Bruno could drop into that role knowing you have a 3rd CB covering and that could allow those two wingers to get into the team while still playing Bruno.
 
V.O. said:
He played against (and got battered by) Ten Hag's Ajax, while at Sporting. Twice.

Why do people just confidently state things that are obviously complete bollocks and can be checked in 5 seconds?
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I'm waiting since Saturday for that poster to provide a link to a so called quote from Mourinho after Thursday's game. I presume that was complete bollocks also?
 
Kaos said:
What does he do with Zirkzee then? He's not prolific enough or active enough to be the target man (that will almost certainly be Hojlund), and I suspect he won't be one of the AMs or wider players in his system.

Will he be his DVdB? Assuming the conspiracy theories about us signing players in the summer with Amorim in mind have a semblance of truth to them, his one doesn't make sense. Feel like he'll inevitably be loaned out before leaving for peanuts. Bizarre signing.
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If it was 3-4-1-2 then he could rotate as one of the two forwards.

If it’s 3-4-3 then he could end up with more room to drop deep creating space behind him.

Either way I don’t think that makes him an instant write off. Though maybe we’d be best to move him on quickly and replace with Sesko or Gyokeres who might be better suited.
 
sparx99 said:
Because his formation is often 3-4-3 rather than 3-5-2. Also the wingers can play as CAM’s more narrowly.

Amorim also often used Pedro Goncalves in a CM role. So Bruno could drop into that role knowing you have a 3rd CB covering and that could allow those two wingers to get into the team while still playing Bruno.
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Sounds good. Can't wait too see us play football that's enjoyable to watch again. Will be looking forward to our matches at last.
 
Redivy said:
Conte's Chelsea was very well disciplined and were a very strong side. Tuchel's Chelsea were comfortably the best side in all of their games in the CL, and for a period of time it was even thought that he could seriously challenge Pep/Klopp.
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But spoiler alert - he didn't. And the fact remains - it's rarely used by top teams. You're replacing an actual midfielder or a forward with a centre back. Will make us defensively more solid, in theory. What will happen in attack is anyone's guess. I'd say benching one of our forwards won't make it easier for us to score.

I just don't like 3-5-2, at all.
 
sparx99 said:
If it was 3-4-1-2 then he could rotate as one of the two forwards.

If it’s 3-4-3 then he could end up with more room to drop deep creating space behind him.

Either way I don’t think that makes him an instant write off. Though maybe we’d be best to move him on quickly and replace with Sesko or Gyokeres who might be better suited.
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He doesn't have the pace to be one of the two forwards in a 3-4-1-2. There might be 'room' for him in a 3-4-3 but then we'd just be shoehorning him when other players already fit that role far more than he does. I feel like he was actually signed with Ten Hag's system in mind, but with both Ten Hag and his system proving to be a colossal failure, it leaves him as an unfortunate nomadic casualty going forward.
 
Exiled_Red said:
I actually think our team is uniquely setup to play 3 at the back with our newly found CB depth. It would give a new lease to someone like Maguire who actually plays really well in a 3.

It also help limit the amount of overhaul our front line needs. We don’t have any decent wingers. The ones we have all like to play narrow which this helps. The biggest gap in that formation would be LWB. We’d need to go for someone like Davies.
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Well we have been linked to Davies so maybe that tracks.
 
Blown away with some of the negativity in this thread. Can’t we just look forward and support whoever comes in next?

Excited to see anyone other than ETH. I guess I’m an optimist. I also would like to see how problematic our squad is… we’ve basically completely changed the squad since Ole. It would be a bummer if we had to do more open heart surgery to get our squad to a point where we can challenge for major trophies.

Neither Dalot nor Mazraoui strike me as wingbacks. Neither good enough / creative enough in the final 3rd. Shaw can definitely play in a wingback role. Do we go for a RWB and LWB or try to convert Antony (I just choked back some vomit) and Garnacho.

No issues with 3 at the back. I think it will help us both in breaking the press and executing our own high press.
 
FreakyJim said:
But spoiler alert - he didn't. And the fact remains - it's rarely used by top teams. You're replacing an actual midfielder or a forward with a centre back. Will make us defensively more solid, in theory. What will happen in attack is anyone's guess. I'd say benching one of our forwards won't make it easier for us to score.

I just don't like 3-5-2, at all.
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City use three CBs, and at times last season they even used four.
 
FreakyJim said:
But spoiler alert - he didn't. And the fact remains - it's rarely used by top teams. You're replacing an actual midfielder or a forward with a centre back. Will make us defensively more solid, in theory. What will happen in attack is anyone's guess. I'd say benching one of our forwards won't make it easier for us to score.

I just don't like 3-5-2, at all.
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He doesn’t play 3-5-2 though. Regardless his team are top of the Portuguese league right now with 30-goals in 9 games. Goal scoring isn’t a problem for his current team.

Also, it’s worth remembering that being solid and having a safety net could allow the attackers to take risks, express themselves and commit numbers in attack with 3x CB’s to mop up.
 
DSG said:
Blown away with some of the negativity in this thread. Can’t we just look forward and support whoever comes in next?

Excited to see anyone other than ETH. I guess I’m an optimist. I also would like to see how problematic our squad is… we’ve basically completely changed the squad since Ole. It would be a bummer if we had to do more open heart surgery to get our squad to a point where we can challenge for major trophies.

Neither Dalot nor Mazraoui strike me as wingbacks. Neither good enough / creative enough in the final 3rd. Shaw can definitely play in a wingback role. Do we go for a RWB and LWB or try to convert Antony (I just choked back some vomit) and Garnacho.

No issues with 3 at the back. I think it will help us both in breaking the press and executing our own high press.
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Just like we supported whoever the previous manager was, instead of constantly asking for him to be sacked.

Oh, and Shaw playing in a wingback role would require the fecker to actually remain fit, which he’s more or less incapable of.

Converting Antony and/or Garnacho to a wingback seems like a horrible idea.
 
DSG said:
Blown away with some of the negativity in this thread. Can’t we just look forward and support whoever comes in next?

Excited to see anyone other than ETH. I guess I’m an optimist. I also would like to see how problematic our squad is… we’ve basically completely changed the squad since Ole. It would be a bummer if we had to do more open heart surgery to get our squad to a point where we can challenge for major trophies.

Neither Dalot nor Mazraoui strike me as wingbacks. Neither good enough / creative enough in the final 3rd. Shaw can definitely play in a wingback role. Do we go for a RWB and LWB or try to convert Antony (I just choked back some vomit) and Garnacho.

No issues with 3 at the back. I think it will help us both in breaking the press and executing our own high press.
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I keep hearing this concern. Dalot is a fairly average player granted, but I'm surprised to hear some have concerns about Mazraoui being able to play wingback. Wasn't he already accustomed to playing there in Bayern (as part of Tuchel's back 5 no less), and Ajax before that?

The fact Ten Hag felt comfortable playing him at no.10 recently suggests he does have some attacking nous?
 
DSG said:
Blown away with some of the negativity in this thread. Can’t we just look forward and support whoever comes in next?

Excited to see anyone other than ETH. I guess I’m an optimist. I also would like to see how problematic our squad is… we’ve basically completely changed the squad since Ole. It would be a bummer if we had to do more open heart surgery to get our squad to a point where we can challenge for major trophies.

Neither Dalot nor Mazraoui strike me as wingbacks. Neither good enough / creative enough in the final 3rd. Shaw can definitely play in a wingback role. Do we go for a RWB and LWB or try to convert Antony (I just choked back some vomit) and Garnacho.

No issues with 3 at the back. I think it will help us both in breaking the press and executing our own high press.
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Dalot and Mazraoui are adaptable enough for me. Creativity has to come from the tactics as well as personnel.

Shaw has got more defensive as his career went on so even if he got fit I see him more as depth for LCB. We obviously need someone in that LM/LWB position and in January.
 
DSG said:
Blown away with some of the negativity in this thread. Can’t we just look forward and support whoever comes in next?

Excited to see anyone other than ETH. I guess I’m an optimist. I also would like to see how problematic our squad is… we’ve basically completely changed the squad since Ole. It would be a bummer if we had to do more open heart surgery to get our squad to a point where we can challenge for major trophies.

Neither Dalot nor Mazraoui strike me as wingbacks. Neither good enough / creative enough in the final 3rd. Shaw can definitely play in a wingback role. Do we go for a RWB and LWB or try to convert Antony (I just choked back some vomit) and Garnacho.

No issues with 3 at the back. I think it will help us both in breaking the press and executing our own high press.
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Negativity ? Seems most are relieved ETH is gone and are looking forward to turning the page.
 
NotChatGPT said:
Just like we supported whoever the previous manager was, instead of constantly asking for him to be sacked.

Oh, and Shaw playing in a wingback role would require the fecker to actually remain fit, which he’s more or less incapable of.

Converting Antony and/or Garnacho to a wingback seems like a horrible idea.
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In the short term we could play Amass there. He’s young but playing with extra cover behind him would offer more protection than the role he would have had in ETH’s system.
 
sparx99 said:
In the short term we could play Amass there. He’s young but playing with extra cover behind him would offer more protection than the role he would have had in ETH’s system.
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Can’t imagine that Amass is ready.

But i honestly don’t care.

I just found it funny that Shaw was suggested as an alternative. I felt a bit bad for him in the past, but it’s the perfect storm now. If you’re in a rush to be fit for probably your last shot at an England trophy, after being out for ages for the club that pays your wages, you better fecking make sure that it’s not going to have an negative effect on your chances to be fit for the new season. We’re almost in fecking november and no one really knows when he’ll actually be ready. He made his bed and now he needs to feck off.
 
Good to hear that he’s highly regarded and a charismatic leader. I just hope that he’s got a genuinely exciting tactical vision and not just lame transition football that ETH brought. I’ve been beating on for ages about how we need a possession oriented manager who values midfield dominance and everyone being comfortable on the ball - my worry is that this guy is not that. Didn’t he have Ugarte as his main DM?
 
FreakyJim said:
Conte and Tuchel, two of the managers that I'd hate the most seeing at Untied and they both use 3-5-2 and one has fluked a CL win with it. Now I'm convinced.
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He didn't fluke that CL win, did he? It was pretty much a series of tactical masterclasses against the best teams in Europe.
 
NotChatGPT said:
Can’t imagine that Amass is ready.

But i honestly don’t care.

I just found it funny that Shaw was suggested as an alternative. I felt a bit bad for him in the past, but it’s the perfect storm now. If you’re in a rush to be fit for probably your last shot at an England trophy, after being out for ages for the club that pays your wages, you better fecking make sure that it’s not going to have an negative effect on your chances to be fit for the new season. We’re almost in fecking november and no one really knows when he’ll actually be ready. He made his bed and now he needs to feck off.
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Yeah, with Amass I’m just thinking that it’s only a couple of months to January. He seemed decent on the tour and while he made a few mistakes that’s hardly something our other defenders haven’t done.

It has to be better than shoehorning an attacking midfielder into that role.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Good to hear that he’s highly regarded and a charismatic leader. I just hope that he’s got a genuinely exciting tactical vision and not just lame transition football that ETH brought. I’ve been beating on for ages about how we need a possession oriented manager who values midfield dominance and everyone being comfortable on the ball - my worry is that this guy is not that. Didn’t he have Ugarte as his main DM?
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He had Ugarte for two seasons which earnt him a move to PSG. I wouldn’t judge him based on 6-7 games under ETH.

Besides part of the benefit of 3 CB’s is the midfielders go ball hunting with less risk. Seems made for a Ugarte/Mainoo midfield.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Good to hear that he’s highly regarded and a charismatic leader. I just hope that he’s got a genuinely exciting tactical vision and not just lame transition football that ETH brought. I’ve been beating on for ages about how we need a possession oriented manager who values midfield dominance and everyone being comfortable on the ball - my worry is that this guy is not that. Didn’t he have Ugarte as his main DM?
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He loved Ugarte. I don't think massive possession percentages are his calling card, but I'd expect him to improve us in that respect.

- Amorim is known especially for injury prevention in his training system. I wonder if there's a Mourinho/Rui Faria influence because our injury record was streets ahead of what it is now under them.
 
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