Ruben Amorim | United meet Sporting release clause

We've signed some very good players from Sporting. Time to do the same with the manager.
 
Malone_Post said:
I just hope he’s the first manager we’ve had since probably LVG (?) who values having a midfield and controlling games.

I’m absolutely sick to death of watching every team we play, no matter the level of opposition or result, consistently control games and dominate the ball.
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Yep, don’t fancy LVG though where we’re controlling the ball with zero penetration.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
Would love a feedback post from one of our Sporting posters
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RDCR07 said:
Look up @Sly’s post. He has been posting all day about this.
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Be aware that I'm biased but Amorim will, in my opinion, be one of the top managers in Europe. I've been a Sporting fan for more than 3 decades now and this is the best football I've seen us play without a doubt.

Amorim is a brilliant man manager and very astute tactically. I just love how we play attacking football. I've never seen us play defensively. Probably the reason why City destroyed us. But he is a young manager and he learned from that.

If he ever became United manager, you wouldn't have to worry about defensive boring football. He's completely against that, although he became more pragmatic when facing top, superior opposition. Our goal average in Portugal is 30 scored and only 2 conceded. In the CL we scored 6 and conceded 1. Next two matches against City and Arsenal in the CL will show his real worth.
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https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ruben-amorim.467364/post-32569054
 
We need a manager who focuses on coaching and leaves player tranfers to Ashworth, Wilcox and Berrada. Ten Hag lacked the enthusiasm, fire and charisma needed for good personal management and I hope that Amorim is the one who gets the best out of the players and completes the new management team.

I have a good gut feeling about him and hope this deal will be confirmed as soon as possible and he will be already at Old Trafford on Sunday to trash Chelsea. All we need is a glimpse of hope that the better days will come. We didn't have that with Ten Hag.
 
sixdwarf said:
EtH looked like a great appointment too don't forget. Amorim like Ten Hag had success in lesser leagues.

Me? I would at least have sounded out managers who have been a hit in the Prem. Emery might be persuaded. Thomas Frank, I think, deserves a chance. We need to get back to appointing best in class. Whether this is that, well im not sure.

But we will support if finalised.
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Yep that’s what I referred to in my initial message. On paper and statistics wise, ETH looked a brilliant appointment & I was super excited when he was appointed.
 
Offside said:
Yep, don’t fancy LVG though where we’re controlling the ball with zero penetration.
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Oh absolutely! Possession for possessions sake is pointless. But we should be controlling and dominating games. We’ve spent years relying on individual quality to win us matches. We need a proper structure.

In hindsight we should have hired a manager to build on the foundations LVG had laid rather than ripping up the whole structure and starting all over again with Mourinho.
 
MalaysianRed7 said:
Doesn’t matter, Amorim is only 39. Ten Hag had a much more impressive CV than Pep when Barca hired him in 2008, Arteta, Slot, Maresca, Ange, Howe, Kompany, Terzic, I could go on. I think it’s indisputable that Amorim is a very progressive appointment and one we can all get behind as United fans.
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No doubt he is one of the most exciting options, sans maybe Nagelsman. But managers are only as good as the squad they get. I have zero confidence in our current squad or in INEOS's ability to dig up any money for Amorim
 
RDCR07 said:
Again you’re harping on this “tripled” wages without even knowing if it’s accurate. Why?
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FortunaUtd said:
What bizarre minutiae to get stuck on. We neither know what he's earning at Sporting, nor what he might be earning at United. What's the point of your outrage?
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The facts are less important to those who are still upset about the guy who was sacked this morning.
 
Woziak said:
He would have 28/29 EPL matches to try and be successful and the winter transfer window to improve the squad and maybe get a couple of players that suit his style and formation. He would have 5 Europa League games to try and get into the 8 in that league.

Currently in Portugal he has a 72% win rate but how that translates to England and in particular the Premier League, is anybody’s guess, let’s take 15% off and hope he can implement his ideas and maybe achieve a 57% win rate, all hypothetical I Know but that would give him say 16 wins 7 Draws 6 Defeats.

He might finish with 66 Points and that’s definitely 5th to 7th place. If he has a win rate of 61% win rate probably looking at 18 wins 6 draws and 5 defeats so 71 points which is probably 4th to 5th and probably CL football, as you can see they had to act now to give him a chance of achieving something in this season, it also means they have to support him in the January transfer window now too?
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It is unclear how soon they will be able to get him. Hopefully before the January window, but seems hard to to pull that off. Could be in January or after
 
Chief123 said:
As he likes wingbacks….

Frimpong and Davies in the summer please!
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FortunaUtd said:
What bizarre minutiae to get stuck on. We neither know what he's earning at Sporting, nor what he might be earning at United. What's the point of your outrage?
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Not outrage, I’m simply reacting to that particular report but I thought we were putting the stupid Disneyland stuff behind us but hiring someone and immediately tripling their salary smacks very much of the bad old days under Ewar Woowar.
 
Infra-red said:
I think he's a really good coach and I would be delighted (and surprised) if he agrees to leave mid-season. The run of fixtures we have coming up is also relatively forgiving for a new manager. Can't help but feel this all could have been resolved much more satisfactorily last summer, though. United never fail to makes things harder for themselves than they need to be.
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Money Talks that’s why he’s leaving Mid season and United in Portugal and Spain still represent a big deal.
 
daba said:
Sorry but can someone please enlighten me to what Nagelsmann has achieved in his managerial career that is so incredible?

I understand he started managing very young and did well with Hoffenheim, which rightly earned him a lot of praise. He then did an okay job at Leipzig, but didn’t win anything. He then went to Bayern and did nothing spectacular before getting sacked.

In Amorim’s short spell with Braga he did an incredible job and won them the Portuguese cup. He then rejuvenated Sporting who hadn’t won the league for 20 years, which had been dominated by the more financially powerful Porto and Benfica, with limited resources and regularly selling his best player each year. He’s won the league twice in 4 years with Sporting and is now 9 wins in 9 this year, looking on track to make that 3 in 5 years.

If Nagelsmann had gone on to at least make a genuine title challenge against Bayern at Leipzig, then I’d see something. But he seems incredibly overhyped as a manager based on his actual achievements. Just feels like the epitome of a hipster manager.
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His most impressive achievement as the underdog team manager was at Leipzig "After finishing top of their group, RB Leipzig reached the Champions League knockout the first time in their history. On 10 March 2020, following Leipzig's 4–0 win against José Mourinho's Tottenham Hotspur, Nagelsmann became the youngest coach ever to win a UEFA Champions League knockout tie.On 13 August, RB Leipzig defeated Spanish side Atlético Madrid 2–1 in the quarter-finals, making Nagelsmann the youngest coach to ever progress to the Champions League semi-finals"

He did also win Bundesliga with Bayern, which is a trophy at the top level, and he was sacked for reasons that had nothing to do with his performance. All along playing impressive football.
 
NewGlory said:
It is unclear how soon they will be able to get him. Hopefully before the January window, but seems hard to to pull that off. Could be in January or after
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Talk sport are saying he could be in charge before or after the Chelsea Game. However he will need players that suit his formation.
 
Hopefully he brings his coaches with him. Don’t want him to work with current coaches
 
Woziak said:
Talk sport are saying he could be in charge before or after the Chelsea Game. However he will need players that suit his formation.
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For sure. Would love to see him sooner rather than later, though. No desire to watch Ruud cosplaying Ole for any longer than we have to
 
Inevitably we're going for a manager with a more conservative possession based pressing style like Arsenal and City. Clearly Wilcox wants this and that's why we signed Ugarte. By refusing to play him on Sunday and then losing ETH effectively sacked himself.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
Hopefully he brings his coaches with him. Don’t want him to work with current coaches
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That might make it a more difficult deal with sporting, also I kind of feel bad for Ruud, hopefully Amorim would evaluate everyone and see what is needed
 
Plant0x84 said:
I’m not sure I can see RVN, Hake, Georgsson and Van Rouwelaar all going just months after being hired. Would be the quickest rebuild in the clubs history, and that’s saying something!
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I'd expect a staggered approach. Him bringing one or two with him when signing, and maybe some more in the summer after working with our staff and assessing them
 
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