Ruben Amorim | United meet Sporting release clause

I wouldn't mind to see a formation change. I'm sick of our counter attack cutting in wingers play, it's not working, we won't win the league playing like that.
 
As with any managerial appointment, there's a risk, but I'd rather take a risk on one of the most sought after young managers in Europe than some of the others who have been mentioned.

If things are as advanced as it seems, then a lot of work has been going on behind the scenes, I'd say the home defeats to the scousers and especially Spurs probably made the boards mind up.
 
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Garnacho would be a very, very attacking option at LWB, but with Mazraoui and that back 3 swinging in behind him I think you could make it work. I also think long term, he’ll look for a more deep lying playmaker in beside Ugarte and we’ll see Mainoo used in a more advanced role. Whether or not Eriksen would be suitable for that role I’m not sure.

I’ve read a few comments about our squad not being intelligent enough for his tactics, but I wouldn’t leave Kyle Walker in a room with scissors unsupervised and Jack Grealish licks windows in his spare time, yet Pep played them in a treble winning side.

Ten Hag just never had the charisma or personality to inspire players with the oceans of information he was loading on them. By all accounts, Amorim excels in that regard.
 
afrocentricity said:
I'm excited now, what style of football what kind of character?
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He usually plays a 3-4-3 or 3-4-2-1 system but just look at this record at Sporting. His team is incredibly attacking. He is a quiet person though from what I’ve seen. Maybe resident Sporting fans can talk to more to his character.
 
I think he's a really good coach and I would be delighted (and surprised) if he agrees to leave mid-season. The run of fixtures we have coming up is also relatively forgiving for a new manager. Can't help but feel this all could have been resolved much more satisfactorily last summer, though. United never fail to makes things harder for themselves than they need to be.
 
Hope he has good man management and can convince players like Rashford to play well for him.
 
Plant0x84 said:
But that’s stupid. You can give him a hefty increase by all means, but to triple his wage immediately seems off. Make him work for it, give him bonuses for achieving targets or pathways to raises etc. but he could come in, fall flat on his face and it won’t matter a joy to him cos he’s guaranteed his millions already.
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You are presuming the only thing that motivates people is money. It’s wrong.
 
NewGlory said:
It's not like Ten Hag had MUCH more impressive CV than Amorim, when he joined us

United is where managers' careers die
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Doesn’t matter, Amorim is only 39. Ten Hag had a much more impressive CV than Pep when Barca hired him in 2008, Arteta, Slot, Maresca, Ange, Howe, Kompany, Terzic, I could go on. I think it’s indisputable that Amorim is a very progressive appointment and one we can all get behind as United fans.
 
Personality will help a lot compared with what we've had. ETH didn't seem to be very inspiring.
 
So my dream team of Benitez and Dyche isn't happening.

Maybe this will be even better.
 
Plant0x84 said:
No im not. I’m saying tripling his wage is unnecessary at this early stage. We are backing ourselves into a corner financially again. I’d hoped the new people and INEOS would be smarter than that.
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Do you know how much he is earning at Sporting?
 
NewGlory said:
Assuming they will buy or rent Amorim a left back in January transfer window, so we can at least have a non-injured left back (a sizeable "if") our squad is still very bad because it consists of
1. New signings that may take whole season to get adjusted
2. Overplayed youngsters
3. Experienced players who are inconsistent bottlers incapable of stringing 3 wins in a row if their lives depended on it

Miracles notwithstanding an 8th place would be a good result with this squad and NOBODY will accept such result, no matter how logical it is
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Have you ever said anything remotely positive on this forum?
 
NewGlory said:
Something like that :)

But seriously, Amorim is a gamble. He's not achieved anything to be confident that he can perform at the level of United's ambitions. He may, he may not. Ten Hag had even better CV when he joined us, but more importantly - any new manager will need good players and too many of our players are simply not good enough for premier league, and yet we have no money to do anything significant about it.

Will you be fine, if Amorim comes in and we still finish 6th and not win any trophies?
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He would have 28/29 EPL matches to try and be successful and the winter transfer window to improve the squad and maybe get a couple of players that suit his style and formation. He would have 5 Europa League games to try and get into the 8 in that league.

Currently in Portugal he has a 72% win rate but how that translates to England and in particular the Premier League, is anybody’s guess, let’s take 15% off and hope he can implement his ideas and maybe achieve a 57% win rate, all hypothetical I Know but that would give him say 16 wins 7 Draws 6 Defeats.

He might finish with 66 Points and that’s definitely 5th to 7th place. If he has a win rate of 61% win rate probably looking at 18 wins 6 draws and 5 defeats so 71 points which is probably 4th to 5th and probably CL football, as you can see they had to act now to give him a chance of achieving something in this season, it also means they have to support him in the January transfer window now too?
 
MO_Football92 said:
Football isn't about sticking to the same tactics and style. Coaches must adapt; play to the strengths of their players.

Your greatest ever manager built his career through constantly adapting system and tactics.

This type of 'philosophy' thinking, is why I feel managers are going backwards in modern football. Pep is successful because he knows City's players suit his style
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Pep got rid of players that didn’t play the way he wanted when he arrived at City. He had a way he wanted to play.

If a manager moulds the style of play to the players we have at United he will fail. The main issue with Eth was exactly his inability to put his own stamp on this squad.
 
Plant0x84 said:
No im not. I’m saying tripling his wage is unnecessary at this early stage. We are backing ourselves into a corner financially again. I’d hoped the new people and INEOS would be smarter than that.
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It can't be coming as a shock to you that the Man United manager will earn significantly more money than the Sporting Lisbon manager, can it.
 
Just catching up on a bit more of how Sporting play this afternoon, and I think our personnel fits pretty damn nicely actually considering it promises an entire change of system.

One thing at the very least, Mainoo is going to totally thrive in this system.
 
Parma Dewol said:
You know that giddy excitement you feel at the prospect of a new manager coming in to put United back on top?

Should know better by now, but what can I say, I’m feeling it yet again.
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Same mate. Might be foolish but I'm way more excited than I was 24 hours ago.
 
Is he a big enough personality to handle it?


there's very few jobs with the profile and media scrutiny of United with hacks desperate for you to fail
 
Sly said:
Question: if Amorim comes and becomes good will you guys forgive me for my Rojo report?
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Rojo formed our greatest CB duo with Phil Jones under Mourinho for about 12 games. The bare chested marauder’s legend will never die, no forgiveness is needed.
 
chris123 said:
Just catching up on a bit more of how Sporting play this afternoon, and I think our personnel fits pretty damn nicely actually considering it promises an entire change of system.

One thing at the very least, Mainoo is going to totally thrive in this system.
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Agree. Our main issue is Bruno playing as a 10 leaves our midfield exposed and we can’t control a game. Potentially the way Amorin likes to play, with an extra wide centreback in there, should give us some more control in midfield.
 
Plant0x84 said:
€3.50 ph and all the pastel de nata he can eat from the matchday catering.

No. No I don’t. Why is that relevant?
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Cause I don’t either. If he is earning €1M then tripling it to €3m isn’t a big deal. If he is earning €5m then tripling to €15m is a big deal. Also we don’t know what exactly is true. Just cause talk sport said he is going to triple his wages doesn’t mean it’s true.
 
NewGlory said:
The only logical reason I can think of... he is better than Southgate?

Clearly he is no Nagelsman. Why should we be excited about a Sporting's manager who has never achieved anything at the top level?
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Sorry but can someone please enlighten me to what Nagelsmann has achieved in his managerial career that is so incredible?

I understand he started managing very young and did well with Hoffenheim, which rightly earned him a lot of praise. He then did an okay job at Leipzig, but didn’t win anything. He then went to Bayern and did nothing spectacular before getting sacked.

In Amorim’s short spell with Braga he did an incredible job and won them the Portuguese cup. He then rejuvenated Sporting who hadn’t won the league for 20 years, which had been dominated by the more financially powerful Porto and Benfica, with limited resources and regularly selling his best player each year. He’s won the league twice in 4 years with Sporting and is now 9 wins in 9 this year, looking on track to make that 3 in 5 years.

If Nagelsmann had gone on to at least make a genuine title challenge against Bayern at Leipzig, then I’d see something. But he seems incredibly overhyped as a manager based on his actual achievements. Just feels like the epitome of a hipster manager.
 
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