Ruben Amorim | United meet Sporting release clause

Why do you you say that? And what do you bet?
I have a hunch... These bunch of losers won't suddenly turn into prime Man City, just because manager's last name is Amorim instead of Ten Hag, and it sounds like you won't accept anything less.

As for what I bet, if I lose, you can dig up my old post and comment it with "you were wrong" and I may even thumb it up :D What did you expect?
 
You know that giddy excitement you feel at the prospect of a new manager coming in to put United back on top?

Should know better by now, but what can I say, I’m feeling it yet again.
 
I have a hunch... These bunch of losers won't suddenly turn into prime Man City, just because manager's last name is Amorim instead of Ten Hag, and it sounds like you won't accept anything less.

As for what I bet, if I lose, you can dig up my old post and comment it with "you were wrong" and I may even thumb it up :D What did you expect?
Ah yes, us fickle fans, right. Only 18 months of utter underperformance, and already we want a new shiny toy manager!
 
Ah yes, us fickle fans, right. Only 18 months of utter underperformance, and already we want a new shiny toy manager!
Something like that :)

But seriously, Amorim is a gamble. He's not achieved anything to be confident that he can perform at the level of United's ambitions. He may, he may not. Ten Hag had even better CV when he joined us, but more importantly - any new manager will need good players and too many of our players are simply not good enough for premier league, and yet we have no money to do anything significant about it.

Will you be fine, if Amorim comes in and we still finish 6th and not win any trophies?
 
Something like that :)

But seriously, Amorim is a gamble. He's not achieved anything to be confident that he can perform at the level of United's ambitions. He may, he may not. Ten Hag had even better CV when he joined us, but more importantly - any new manager will need good players and too many of our players are simply not good enough for premier league, and yet we have no money to do anything significant about it.

Will you be fine, if Amorim comes in and we still finish 6th and not win any trophies?
What time frame are we talking about?
 
Something like that :)

But seriously, Amorim is a gamble. He's not achieved anything to be confident that he can perform at the level of United's ambitions. He may, he may not. Ten Hag had even better CV when he joined us, but more importantly - any new manager will need good players and too many of our players are simply not good enough for premier league, and yet we have no money to do anything significant about it.

Will you be fine, if Amorim comes in and we still finish 6th and not win any trophies?
Yes because we’re bottom half of the table and you can’t count on a manager winning a trophy coming in mid season.
 
Would be a very exciting appointment. How do we think he'd lineup (assuming a fully fit squad.. I know) ? I know he's a 343 man with two holding CM's, but don't know much beyond that and his very impressive record to date.

Something like this perhaps makes sense on the face of it:

Onana
Yoro - De Ligt - Martinez
Dalot - Ugarte - Mainoo - Shaw
Garnacho - Hojlund - Rashford

I can't see where Bruno fits in there easily. Maybe RW as a more creative option?

God knows. I'm just glad to be moving on from Eric's marvelous disappearing midfield. And he's got a decent head of hair too.
 
Attacking in general but pragmatic when playing against top opposition. He has nothing to do with Mourinho. He's not one of his references.

Sorry didn't have it clear. What I meant who is the past or present manager(s) that he's comparable to, in terms of football and man management styles?
 
Will you be fine, if Amorim comes in and we still finish 6th and not win any trophies?
Given where we are right now and the underlying numbers I wouldn't be too disappointed with that.

I also believe our squad isn't as bad as some people here believe, with different instructions and input there is much to gain.
 
If he leaves this will really hurt us. I'm getting depressed already. Amorim was a game changer for us. Losing him to United, combining that with losing our DoF to Citeh and probably Gyokeres to Arsenal or Chelsea going by the rumors and we will probably finish 4th next year!

You could take Ten Hag!
 
June 2025. Amorim comes in and we finish season at or below 6th, no trophies. Will you be complaining about him?
I don't know. It depends on how he does.
At the moment 6th would be a massive improvement though wouldn't it.

Honestly your line of questioning is a bit silly.
 
Would be a very exciting appointment. How do we think he'd lineup (assuming a fully fit squad.. I know) ? I know he's a 343 man with two holding CM's, but don't know much beyond that and his very impressive record to date.

Something like this perhaps makes sense on the face of it:

Onana
Yoro - De Ligt - Martinez
Dalot - Ugarte - Mainoo - Shaw
Garnacho - Hojlund - Rashford

I can't see where Bruno fits in there easily. Maybe RW as a more creative option?

God knows. I'm just glad to be moving on from Eric's marvelous disappearing midfield. And he's got a decent head of hair too.

I’m hopeful that he could motivate the players and provide a better plan, but when we’ve struggled to score and are effectively swapping Bruno for Yoro personnel wise, there will be so much pressure on that front three to score regularly. All of them are good enough to improve though, so it will be interesting to see.
 
You know that giddy excitement you feel at the prospect of a new manager coming in to put United back on top?

Should know better by now, but what can I say, I’m feeling it yet again.
Very much depends on whether Pep decides to leave City at the end of the season it would seem.
 
Would be a very exciting appointment. How do we think he'd lineup (assuming a fully fit squad.. I know) ? I know he's a 343 man with two holding CM's, but don't know much beyond that and his very impressive record to date.

Something like this perhaps makes sense on the face of it:

Onana
Yoro - De Ligt - Martinez
Dalot - Ugarte - Mainoo - Shaw
Garnacho - Hojlund - Rashford

I can't see where Bruno fits in there easily. Maybe RW as a more creative option?

God knows. I'm just glad to be moving on from Eric's marvelous disappearing midfield. And he's got a decent head of hair too.
He plays two wide-ish no. 10s, no? I would imagine Fernandes would play on the right hand side of the attacking midfield position. Rashford or Garnacho from the left, just a bit narrower than they usually play.
 
Yah. ETH also brought Ajax to the top of league. See what happened? We should be going for Xabi. At least he has managed a proper team that can match Bayern Munich.
Expecting any coach to be a proven commodity is idiotic, and Alonso might not even have been open to coming. Amorim is a fantastic candidate. Doesn’t mean he’s going to be great or even good here, and the club hopefully doesn’t marry itself to him.
 
Very! If City and Pep were allegedly lining him as his successor, you know he is good and has potential.

The Pool links don't hurt either - he was their first choice last summer to replace Klopp. But honestly, I don't know how much analysis is needed to recommend the guy. The most you have to do is sort the teams across europe by xGD/90 and he'd be the most gettable manager out of that list.
 
The thing about about the City links are that Pep hasn't made up his mind and there is no way City chiefs are going to rush him into making a decision now. If Pep wants to stay he stays for however long he's willing to stay. City probably only need a couple of months to sort out a replacement too.

Amorim would be naive to wait for City too - there's every chance Pep stays for a couple more years and there's no guarantee certain jobs will be available.
 
Hang on. Clearly he is a highly rated and capable manager. But where is he stylistically? What kind of football are we talking about here? And have we now settled on some sort of club philosophy in that regard? Surely we are not simply flailing around for some kind of good manager of some sort?

I seem to recall, from when his name came up in discussion the last time we changed managers, that he was thought to favor a fairly direct style, with a clear preference for three at the back?
 
Seems exciting that we are going for a young talented manager. Will we start seeing many Portugese players? Does it means Dalot and Bruno will be undroppable? I just hope we don't see the same shit again. The managers has no authority to decide who we will sign but only chose from the players that we have identify. As long as he plays aggressive attacking football, I say sign him up!
 
Yah. ETH also brought Ajax to the top of league. See what happened? We should be going for Xabi. At least he has managed a proper team that can match Bayern Munich.
We should be, but it’s most likely an open secret he’ll be at Real after Ancelotti. There’s only one club no one could compete with for Xabi and that’s Real.
 
I’m hopeful that he could motivate the players and provide a better plan, but when we’ve struggled to score and are effectively swapping Bruno for Yoro personnel wise, there will be so much pressure on that front three to score regularly. All of them are good enough to improve though, so it will be interesting to see.
Agreed. I genuinely think we have a decent squad, more than capable of securing a CL place if properly coached, motivated and played in a sensible system.

I liked ETH as a character but tactically he's just never gotten to grips with the job it seems. I think that has left many of us with an overly negative view of the quality of our squad.

Here's to hoping anyway ..
 
Given where we are right now and the underlying numbers I wouldn't be too disappointed with that.

I also believe our squad isn't as bad as some people here believe, with different instructions and input there is much to gain.
Assuming they will buy or rent Amorim a left back in January transfer window, so we can at least have a non-injured left back (a sizeable "if") our squad is still very bad because it consists of
1. New signings that may take whole season to get adjusted
2. Overplayed youngsters
3. Experienced players who are inconsistent bottlers incapable of stringing 3 wins in a row if their lives depended on it

Miracles notwithstanding an 8th place would be a good result with this squad and NOBODY will accept such result, no matter how logical it is
 
He plays two wide-ish no. 10s, no? I would imagine Fernandes would play on the right hand side of the attacking midfield position. Rashford or Garnacho from the left, just a bit narrower than they usually play.
Oh that makes sense. Amad would fit that role like a glove too, you'd think.
 
I don't know. It depends on how he does.
At the moment 6th would be a massive improvement though wouldn't it.

Honestly your line of questioning is a bit silly.
Also depends on the performances. People get so black and white with results sometimes. Worst being the embarrassing notion that many would have taken our season last year over Arsenals.

Many, including myself, had a much larger issue with the lack of progress in performances and style that we had in Ten Hags second year far more than just poor results in the table or Europe. We never looked even close to “progress” and it was stupid to expect any in a third season either because even if the quality of player wasn’t there last year due to injuries, the coaching and tactics were completely nonexistent either way.

If Amorim comes in and by January we are showing real signs of a sustainable and progressive way of playing, I wouldn’t care if we finished 6th due to having poor finishers or whatever the issue was. But there has to be a platform to build off of, which was something we basically didn’t get from Ten Hag at all the past 12 months. You could have stuck a World XI with our tactics and it still would have largely looked hectic and confusing at times.
 
If things go badly I can see a lot of people getting upset with the 3 at the back, possibly in the media as there'll be references to the United teams of old and United DNA and all that. People didn't like it in LvG's first season.

As others have said though it's supposedly more of a 3-4-3 with wingers so we'll see. Personally I've never been convinced that 3 at the back is some grave insult to attacking football- it depends how it's set up. That Liverpool team of the mid 90s were very attacking and their defence was often shite but they played some good football in a 5-3-2 (won feck all though ;)). I guess it all depends on the intent.

That sounds a bit more promising, but like you said, we'll see what he ends up doing, if he does come here. I just hope they're serious about actually leading their recruitment efforts with the game model they've worked out. If he fits that bill, and they've done their home work properly, I guess he can play whatever formation he likes. I suppose if that ends up being the case, I'll put the dream of seeing another United team lead by high flying wingers to the back of my mind for now ;)
I think the wingbacks in his system are pretty much wingers. Thanks to the two CDMs there's plenty of steele behind the ball when they move up. It's a fairly balanced system.

Some balance would be nice for a change :lol:
 
Because he’s probably paid not that much at Sporting and will be paid the going rate for a top prem club.
But that’s stupid. You can give him a hefty increase by all means, but to triple his wage immediately seems off. Make him work for it, give him bonuses for achieving targets or pathways to raises etc. but he could come in, fall flat on his face and it won’t matter a joy to him cos he’s guaranteed his millions already.
 
If this does happen then I hope he sticks with the style & tactics that have brought him success. If that means 3 at the back then so be it.

The moment ETH talked about not replicating what he did at Ajax at United you knew he was done.

Edit: Fair play to INEOS if they do get this over the line. It’s exactly the kind of appointment we should be going for.

Football isn't about sticking to the same tactics and style. Coaches must adapt; play to the strengths of their players.

Your greatest ever manager built his career through constantly adapting system and tactics.

This type of 'philosophy' thinking, is why I feel managers are going backwards in modern football. Pep is successful because he knows City's players suit his style
 
Hang on. Clearly he is a highly rated and capable manager. But where is he stylistically? What kind of football are we talking about here? And have we now settled on some sort of club philosophy in that regard? Surely we are not simply flailing around for some kind of good manager of some sort?

I seem to recall, from when his name came up in discussion the last time we changed managers, that he was thought to favor a fairly direct style, with a clear preference for three at the back?
Fairly direct yes, but his team still averages by far the highest possession in the league - 65.3%, ahead of second place Benfica with 61.2%.