Ruben Amorim | United meet Sporting release clause

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I think the problem with some online videos is that they are way too specific when talking about the tactics.

For example, because he used a left footed winger at right wing back, does not mean that is his tactic. There is a good chance that this was what was available to him at the time.

There was one video that had him leaving De Ligt out of the first xi. I can almost guarantee that there isn't a world in which that is possible.

I think the problem with a lot of the online videos is that their too obsessed with celebrating the most attractive "footballing meta". They are a bit too biased in their assessments, and overvalue technical ability as a result. In essence, they are a bit too specific and too biased ( toward technical ability) in their reviews
 
Spark said:
Think it includes the total compensation for all coaches.

But yeah classic, it’ll be €20m tomorrow.
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macheda14 said:
I don’t think it has gone up, it was 11 mill to get him out early (1 mill extra) and there was compensation to be agreed for his coaching staff which is the 4
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I thought if we paid the extra €5m for the coaches then he gets to start early?
 
I’d like to be excited. Hope he does well. My feeling is that we’ll appoint a few more managers before we find someone who’ll achieve sustained success.
 
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Just watched the video. Good stuff. At first I was a bit confused about your use of "rest defence" as in Danish "restforsvar" (translates directly to rest defence) is what and who you leave behind when attacking yourself. But I guess you're using the version of "rest" that means to rest and not the rest (of something)? If you know what I mean.
 
Sporting Club of Portugal (not Lisbon..) supporter and MU fan, here.

We are upset with R Amorim departure, of course, but not with Man United actions.
I believe MU is doing things elegantly: you need a coach, Amorim has a very good present and a tremendous future as a coach. So it´s only natural that you go for him. The timming is terrible for us but...it is what it is.

I watch PL games every week and have seen many (English) analysis about how Sporting plays and people seem to expect Amorim to implement that in a couple of weeks. You have to be realistic: it will take much more than that.

When he arrived at Sporting (even in his first title) the team was not playing as forward as we are now. He didn´t start with two wingers as wing-backs, but with 2 defenders with liberty to go forward and only later - when the way he wants to play was better understood by the players - he started to use wingers (first one, than two). In the first title many of our wins were by one ( or two) goals. Many scored in the last minuts.

Nowadays Sporting is playing like I´ve never seen (even better than the great1982 team): attacking, controlling the games and not conceding opportunities for the opponents to score.
But having 9 wins in 9 games with 30 goals scored and only 2 conceded in our (poor...) domestic league and 7 points in 3 games (2 away) in the champions league (5-1 in goals) is the result of 4 years with the team and many, many hours of work.

He is a very good (albeit stubborn) coach, a great communicator and the players really seem to like him and follow his ideas. But the process will take time.

So the big question is; will you give him time ?
 
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JoaoFM said:
Sporting Club of Portugal (not Lisbon..) supporter and MU fan, here.

We are upset with R Amorim departure, of course, but not with Man United actions.
I believe MU is doing things elegantly: you need a coach, Amorim has a very good present and a tremendous future as a coach. So it´s only natural that you go for him. The timming is terrible for us but...it is what it is.

I watch PL games every week and have seen many (English) analysis about how Sporting plays and people seem to expect Amorim to implement that in a couple of weeks. You have to be realistic: it will take much more than that.

When he arrived at Sporting (even in his first title) the team was not playing as forward as we are now. He didn´t start with two wingers as wing-backs, but with 2 defenders with liberty to go forward and only later - when the way he wants to play was better understood by the players - he started to use wingers (first one, than two). In the first title many of our wins were by one ( or two) goals. Many scored in the last minuts.

Nowadays Sporting is playing like I´ve never seen (even better than the great1982 team): attacking, controlling the games and not conceding opportunities for the opponents to score.
But having 9 wins in 9 games with 30 goals scored and only 2 conceded in our (poor...) domestic league and 7 points in 3 games (2 away) in the champions league (5-1 in goals) is the result of 4 years with the team and many, many hours of work.

He is a very good (albeit stubborn) coach, a great communicator and the players really seem to like him and follow his ideas. But the process will take time.

So the big question is; will you give him time ?
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Did you see how much time we gave Ten Hag?
 
JoaoFM said:
Sporting Club of Portugal (not Lisbon..) supporter and MU fan, here.

We are upset with R Amorim departure, of course, but not with Man United actions.
I believe MU is doing things elegantly: you need a coach, Amorim has a very good present and a tremendous future as a coach. So it´s only natural that you go for him. The timming is terrible for us but...it is what it is.

I watch PL games every week and have seen many (English) analysis about how Sporting plays and people seem to expect Amorim to implement that in a couple of weeks. You have to be realistic: it will take much more than that.

When he arrived at Sporting (even in his first title) the team was not playing as forward as we are now. He didn´t start with two wingers as wing-backs, but with 2 defenders with liberty to go forward and only later - when the way he wants to play was better understood by the players - he started to use wingers (first one, than two). In the first title many of our wins were by one ( or two) goals. Many scored in the last minuts.

Nowadays Sporting is playing like I´ve never seen (even better than the great1982 team): attacking, controlling the games and not conceding opportunities for the opponents to score.
But having 9 wins in 9 games with 30 goals scored and only 2 conceded in our (poor...) domestic league and 7 points in 3 games (2 away) in the champions league (5-1 in goals) is the result of 4 years with the team and many, many hours of work.

He is a very good (albeit stubborn) coach, a great communicator and the players really seem to like him and follow his ideas. But the process will take time.

So the big question is; will you give him time ?
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We give time to all managers. Even too much for my taste. So, he will have enough time to implement his ideas.
 
JoaoFM said:
Sporting Club of Portugal (not Lisbon..) supporter and MU fan, here.

We are upset with R Amorim departure, of course, but not with Man United actions.
I believe MU is doing things elegantly: you need a coach, Amorim has a very good present and a tremendous future as a coach. So it´s only natural that you go for him. The timming is terrible for us but...it is what it is.

I watch PL games every week and have seen many (English) analysis about how Sporting plays and people seem to expect Amorim to implement that in a couple of weeks. You have to be realistic: it will take much more than that.

When he arrived at Sporting (even in his first title) the team was not playing as forward as we are now. He didn´t start with two wingers as wing-backs, but with 2 defenders with liberty to go forward and only later - when the way he wants to play was better understood by the players - he started to use wingers (first one, than two). In the first title many of our wins were by one ( or two) goals. Many scored in the last minuts.

Nowadays Sporting is playing like I´ve never seen (even better than the great1982 team): attacking, controlling the games and not conceding opportunities for the opponents to score.
But having 9 wins in 9 games with 30 goals scored and only 2 conceded in our (poor...) domestic league and 7 points in 3 games (2 away) in the champions league (5-1 in goals) is the result of 4 years with the team and many, many hours of work.

He is a very good (albeit stubborn) coach, a great communicator and the players really seem to like him and follow his ideas. But the process will take time.

So the big question is; will you give him time ?
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Did you see how much time we just gave Ten Hag despite how bad we were? He's got nothing to worry about there.
 
Hoof the ball said:
I dare you to slip in a Caf-ism somewhere. Pick your poison, but the challenge is that you have to say something you'd only read on the Caf.
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Spacegoat? What is really interesting is the way Ruben Amorim always takes accountability and doesn’t look for spacegoats.

Or

So u were happy when we sold Jaap Stam?
 
RDCR07 said:
Did you see how much time we gave Ten Hag?
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Yes. And that can be the problem.
It´s only natural if you don´t have any patience left in the tank.
 
Raees said:
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Fair play man, I really enjoyed the video and analysis. I noticed you didn't mention Mount as an option anywhere - do you think he could provide cover for Mainoo or in one of the AM roles? I feel like he might be better suited to the structure and discipline of that role than Bruno (if he can get and stay fit), but might not provide the same creativity when he does have the ball.
 
JoaoFM said:
Sporting Club of Portugal (not Lisbon..) supporter and MU fan, here.

We are upset with R Amorim departure, of course, but not with Man United actions.
I believe MU is doing things elegantly: you need a coach, Amorim has a very good present and a tremendous future as a coach. So it´s only natural that you go for him. The timming is terrible for us but...it is what it is.

I watch PL games every week and have seen many (English) analysis about how Sporting plays and people seem to expect Amorim to implement that in a couple of weeks. You have to be realistic: it will take much more than that.

When he arrived at Sporting (even in his first title) the team was not playing as forward as we are now. He didn´t start with two wingers as wing-backs, but with 2 defenders with liberty to go forward and only later - when the way he wants to play was better understood by the players - he started to use wingers (first one, than two). In the first title many of our wins were by one ( or two) goals. Many scored in the last minuts.

Nowadays Sporting is playing like I´ve never seen (even better than the great1982 team): attacking, controlling the games and not conceding opportunities for the opponents to score.
But having 9 wins in 9 games with 30 goals scored and only 2 conceded in our (poor...) domestic league and 7 points in 3 games (2 away) in the champions league (5-1 in goals) is the result of 4 years with the team and many, many hours of work.

He is a very good (albeit stubborn) coach, a great communicator and the players really seem to like him and follow his ideas. But the process will take time.

So the big question is; will you give him time?
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The Media has already started and he hasn't even started yet.

The agenda will get worse when he starts especially that Goldrbigde shitte.
 
ColvaleGoa said:
The Media has already started and he hasn't even started yet.

The agenda will get worse when he starts especially that Goldrbigde shitte.
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Saw a short where he's accusing Casemiro of not trying under ETH based on the game yesterday and how he has a poor mentality :lol:

Yeah, surely ETH's tactics didn't sabotage anyone playing the holding midfielder role.
 
JoaoFM said:
Sporting Club of Portugal (not Lisbon..) supporter and MU fan, here.

We are upset with R Amorim departure, of course, but not with Man United actions.
I believe MU is doing things elegantly: you need a coach, Amorim has a very good present and a tremendous future as a coach. So it´s only natural that you go for him. The timming is terrible for us but...it is what it is.

I watch PL games every week and have seen many (English) analysis about how Sporting plays and people seem to expect Amorim to implement that in a couple of weeks. You have to be realistic: it will take much more than that.

When he arrived at Sporting (even in his first title) the team was not playing as forward as we are now. He didn´t start with two wingers as wing-backs, but with 2 defenders with liberty to go forward and only later - when the way he wants to play was better understood by the players - he started to use wingers (first one, than two). In the first title many of our wins were by one ( or two) goals. Many scored in the last minuts.

Nowadays Sporting is playing like I´ve never seen (even better than the great1982 team): attacking, controlling the games and not conceding opportunities for the opponents to score.
But having 9 wins in 9 games with 30 goals scored and only 2 conceded in our (poor...) domestic league and 7 points in 3 games (2 away) in the champions league (5-1 in goals) is the result of 4 years with the team and many, many hours of work.

He is a very good (albeit stubborn) coach, a great communicator and the players really seem to like him and follow his ideas. But the process will take time.

So the big question is; will you give him time ?
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That's an excellent and insightful post.

To be fair, the one thing a Manchester United manager is guaranteed is time. Whether or not he has to deal with a mountain of bad press and a load of washed up failed coaches on Sky Sports telling him how shite he is every other week is another story, but the club will give him time to implement his plan.
 
Frankly speaking, I would be happy if he keep us in top 4 with Champion League football and occasionally cup wins. I want to feel proud as an United fan. Even City keeps winning the title, I would be fine. Our standard has drop so much, that we become the laughing stock in EPL. We spend as much as our neighbour, so much more than Liverpool but yet we have nothing to show for.
 
JoaoFM said:
Sporting Club of Portugal (not Lisbon..) supporter and MU fan, here.

We are upset with R Amorim departure, of course, but not with Man United actions.
I believe MU is doing things elegantly: you need a coach, Amorim has a very good present and a tremendous future as a coach. So it´s only natural that you go for him. The timming is terrible for us but...it is what it is.

I watch PL games every week and have seen many (English) analysis about how Sporting plays and people seem to expect Amorim to implement that in a couple of weeks. You have to be realistic: it will take much more than that.

When he arrived at Sporting (even in his first title) the team was not playing as forward as we are now. He didn´t start with two wingers as wing-backs, but with 2 defenders with liberty to go forward and only later - when the way he wants to play was better understood by the players - he started to use wingers (first one, than two). In the first title many of our wins were by one ( or two) goals. Many scored in the last minuts.

Nowadays Sporting is playing like I´ve never seen (even better than the great1982 team): attacking, controlling the games and not conceding opportunities for the opponents to score.
But having 9 wins in 9 games with 30 goals scored and only 2 conceded in our (poor...) domestic league and 7 points in 3 games (2 away) in the champions league (5-1 in goals) is the result of 4 years with the team and many, many hours of work.

He is a very good (albeit stubborn) coach, a great communicator and the players really seem to like him and follow his ideas. But the process will take time.

So the big question is; will you give him time ?
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Thanks for coming here to post!

It seems that United fans are very good at giving managers time tbh. Probably too much time for some of them. I think most of us see this season as a "free hit", we don't really expect anything from it. More than anything I think we just want to see the plan, see the strategy and the coaching when it comes to playing a match

I think if we can see a clear idea and see progression, he will have time
 
r0663664 said:
Frankly speaking, I would be happy if he keep us in top 4 with Champion League football and occasionally cup wins. I want to feel proud as an United fan. Even City keeps winning the title, I would be fine. Our standard has drop so much, that we become the laughing stock in EPL. We spend as much as our neighbour, so much more than Liverpool but yet we have nothing to show for.
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Tagline checks out.
 
Maagge said:
Just watched the video. Good stuff. At first I was a bit confused about your use of "rest defence" as in Danish "restforsvar" (translates directly to rest defence) is what and who you leave behind when attacking yourself. But I guess you're using the version of "rest" that means to rest and not the rest (of something)? If you know what I mean.
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Yeah I believe your definition is the widely accepted term so might have to change that for future videos. For me, "rest defending" reflects a team’s choice to sit deeper with a clear purpose: conserving energy while staying compact and organized. Instead of pressing high and chasing the ball, the team holds a disciplined shape, ready to absorb pressure and launch forward when the chance comes.

It’s about controlled defense rather than passive play—an approach that balances solid structure with energy conservation
 
diarm said:
Fair play man, I really enjoyed the video and analysis. I noticed you didn't mention Mount as an option anywhere - do you think he could provide cover for Mainoo or in one of the AM roles? I feel like he might be better suited to the structure and discipline of that role than Bruno (if he can get and stay fit), but might not provide the same creativity when he does have the ball.
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Peak Mount, was made for the inside forward roles. All depends on fitness and desire.
 
Raees said:
Yeah I believe your definition is the widely accepted term so might have to change that for future videos. For me, "rest defending" reflects a team’s choice to sit deeper with a clear purpose: conserving energy while staying compact and organized. Instead of pressing high and chasing the ball, the team holds a disciplined shape, ready to absorb pressure and launch forward when the chance comes.

It’s about controlled defense rather than passive play—an approach that balances solid structure with energy conservation
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Yeah that's the understanding I got after realising there's to meanings of "rest" in English. Cheers.

Presuming Mount ever gets fit again, he seems like a decent candidate for one of the two attacking midfielders. Works hard, can score and assist and is decent in tight areas as well.

Edit: Ah I see you already commented on Mount above.
 
I know we’re rich and desperate, but I can’t believe we couldn’t get him for less than 217m rupees
 
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