Ruben Amorim | United meet Sporting release clause

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JoaoFM said:
Sporting Club of Portugal (not Lisbon..) supporter and MU fan, here.

We are upset with R Amorim departure, of course, but not with Man United actions.
I believe MU is doing things elegantly: you need a coach, Amorim has a very good present and a tremendous future as a coach. So it´s only natural that you go for him. The timming is terrible for us but...it is what it is.

I watch PL games every week and have seen many (English) analysis about how Sporting plays and people seem to expect Amorim to implement that in a couple of weeks. You have to be realistic: it will take much more than that.

When he arrived at Sporting (even in his first title) the team was not playing as forward as we are now. He didn´t start with two wingers as wing-backs, but with 2 defenders with liberty to go forward and only later - when the way he wants to play was better understood by the players - he started to use wingers (first one, than two). In the first title many of our wins were by one ( or two) goals. Many scored in the last minuts.

Nowadays Sporting is playing like I´ve never seen (even better than the great1982 team): attacking, controlling the games and not conceding opportunities for the opponents to score.
But having 9 wins in 9 games with 30 goals scored and only 2 conceded in our (poor...) domestic league and 7 points in 3 games (2 away) in the champions league (5-1 in goals) is the result of 4 years with the team and many, many hours of work.

He is a very good (albeit stubborn) coach, a great communicator and the players really seem to like him and follow his ideas. But the process will take time.

So the big question is; will you give him time ?
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Wingers as wingbacks might work in Portugal but not in the PL, and not with this team as we lack quality all over the pitch.
 
Cathy Ferguson said:
Wingers as wingbacks might work in Portugal but not in the PL, and not with this team as we lack quality all over the pitch.
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I'm tired of this 'the PL is a different beast' bull. Other players and other managers have hit the league running.
 
Cathy Ferguson said:
Wingers as wingbacks might work in Portugal but not in the PL, and not with this team as we lack quality all over the pitch.
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Conte won the PL with Moses and Alonso as the wingbacks. One of whom was a winger, both of whom were a bit shit.

Football doesn't become a radically different game once it takes place on English soil.
 
sullydnl said:
Conte won the PL with Moses and Alonso as the wingbacks. One of whom was a winger, both of whom were a bit shit.

Football doesn't become a radically different game once it takes place on English soil.
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Exactly! In his first season in charge too. And playing three centre backs doesn’t turn it into a completely different sport. The way people are banging on about this formation needing a massive squad overhaul is doing my head in. It is possible to teach footballers to play formations other than a flat back four.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Exactly! In his first season in charge too. And playing three centre backs doesn’t turn it into a completely different sport. The way people are banging on about this formation needing a massive squad overhaul is doing my head in. It is possible to teach footballers to play formations other than a flat back four.
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People are dead scared of three at the back for some reason. It's weird. Yeah it's quite different from playing a back four and it can be quite daunting for full backs to suddenly play wing back but as long as they know who to press and the defenders behind them know how to move across it's no issue.

It can be pretty awkward against certain setups but it works both ways.
 
Still don't really know what style of football to expect. Other than formation and general attacking/defensive positions.
 
JoaoFM said:
Yes. And that can be the problem.
It´s only natural if you don´t have any patience left in the tank.
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Wait I’m confused with your wording. Are you saying we gave him too much time or we didn’t give him enough time?
 
Funny thing is that Maguire and Shaw have played decently well in a back 3 formation for England.

I wonder how Yoro, Martinez and De Ligt will find that. I believe Mazraoui will be OK as wingback, he seems to have the footballing IQ to adapt to it.
 
RDCR07 said:
Wait I’m confused with your wording. Are you saying we gave him too much time or we didn’t give him enough time?
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I believe you gave ETH too much time and - maybe - all the patience you had.
But if you say you still have some left to Amorim.... all is good
 
Vidooq said:
Funny thing is that Maguire and Shaw have played decently well in a back 3 formation for England.

I wonder how Yoro, Martinez and De Ligt will find that. I believe Mazraoui will be OK as wingback, he seems to have the footballing IQ to adapt to it.
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Does Morocco play with a back 3 or back 4?
 
Ruben Amorim. Welcome to the graveyard for football managers. Let's see if you can be the undertaker who turns this place around and bury City and Liverpool where they belong. 6 feet under.
 
rimaldo said:
i’m concerned that whilst he’s detailing his game plan and instructions to the players, many of them will be day dreaming of a fantasy life where he pushes the tactics board over and marches towards them and passionately kisses them.
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Choked on my coffee
 
tjb said:
I think the problem with some online videos is that they are way too specific when talking about the tactics.

For example, because he used a left footed winger at right wing back, does not mean that is his tactic. There is a good chance that this was what was available to him at the time.

There was one video that had him leaving De Ligt out of the first xi. I can almost guarantee that there isn't a world in which that is possible.

I think the problem with a lot of the online videos is that their too obsessed with celebrating the most attractive "footballing meta". They are a bit too biased in their assessments, and overvalue technical ability as a result. In essence, they are a bit too specific and too biased ( toward technical ability) in their reviews
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Is there? Why's that?
 
JoaoFM said:
I believe you gave ETH too much time and - maybe - all the patience you had.
But if you say you still have some left to Amorim.... all is good
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Ahhh I see what you mean. Oh I think we do that with all our managers. At least I feel like that. But the difference this time it seems like this is Berrada’s hire and I feel he won’t pull the trigger soon but rather give him as much time as he needs.
 
BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
Just watched it … very interesting and detailed :+1:

From your analysis, I could see Hojlund fitting in (and having a much better time of it from current tactics)? And Bruno, Ugarte, Mainoo, maybe Amad, the CHs.

Looks like a hard working style? That’d seem to rule out a couple of players :confused:
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Most managers have moved on to this already, it’s only us that somehow finds it hard to get all players to work hard.
 
Watching the analysis about pentagon pressing and the like, Rashford's goose is well and truly cooked with Amorim.

He's not engaging in something that intricate and demanding off the ball. Not in a million years. And Zirkzee will be too slow for it.

Hojlund, Bruno, Ugarte, Mainoo/Casemiro and Garnacho all have decently high work rates off the ball. So Amorims first choice front 5 pick themselves from our squad. Antony and Mount (if he's ever fit) might also get a new lease because their off the ball work is right up there.
 
P-Nut said:
I'd be happy just with a clear idea of what he is trying to do. This season will be about him finding his feet and establishing a style. By the end of the season there should be visible improvements to how we play and the ability to dominate a full 90 minutes every now and then.

Some form of Europe next season should be a given for a club our size, but if its not the CL then so be it.

Top 4 looks unrealistic this season, Arse, Liverpool and City have got the top 3 nailed. And so we'd have to be better than every other side after being worse than any other challenger, the turn around seems too quick.
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Disagree on the improvements by end of the season, he should improve the team immediately, we also should expect a top 4 finish, maybe it's not gonna happen but the team should at least try it, also go deep in Europa league, the improvement in performances and playing must happen within the first 10 games, other coaches did it, I know Amorim will need time but I don't think we should wait until end of the season to see improvements, results are also important, let's stop this wait and see mentality and just expect better from our team who we all know is not a team that should be sitting in 14th in the league.
 
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r0663664 said:
Bloody hell, I don't even know why there is a tagline. Not sure how to change it.
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Just create a thread on General forum, so one of the Mods can see that you're asking for tagline change.

When there's a will, there's always a way.
 
OmarUnited4ever said:
Disagree on the improvements by end of the season, he should improve the team immediately, we also should expect a top 4 finish, maybe it's not gonna happen but the team should at least try it, also go deep in Europa league, the improvement in performances and playing must happen within the first 10 games, other coaches did it, I know Amorim will need time but I don't think we should wait until end of the season to see improvements, results are also important, let's stop this wait and see mentality and just expect better from our team who we all know is not a team that should be sitting in 14th in the league.
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Good man Omar, let’s not be letting ‘standards’ drop
 
Until June 2027... doesn't seem very long?
Exciting news after the dross of the last couple of years. Hopefully he'll be the one to bring the spark back again.
 
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