Ruben Amorim | United meet Sporting release clause

TsuWave said:
still laughing at "what if he does well with you guys, and Guardiola steps down, and he is offered to replace him mid-season? How would you guys feel?" :lol:

see what happens in just a few years. casuals think City can "little bro" United.
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Well, in that case we might have to unfortunately settle for Pep. :p
 
TsuWave said:
United are known for being paupers, correct?

Of course managers won't mind managing City, no one's contesting that. Your question however was "what if he does a good job, but eventually Guardiola leaves City and he is offered to replace him mid season, how would United fans feel?" and people are rightly highlighting to you that the scenario doesn't have the equivalence you seem to believe it does. Why would anyone doing a good job at United leave for City?
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Because the standards of what is a good season at United seem to have fallen massively.

You see people in this forum saying getting top 4 is great while City are four time champions and are challenging for the champions league every year.

A lot of people were happy with just getting the FA Cup.
Would City fans and the board be happy if that’s all they could do?

I think the expectations are completely different between the two clubs.

Managers and players want to win, and winning at City seems easier, even if it’s by cheating .
 
Deco10Legend said:
I’m a Porto fan so I want him to go but it’s a bit distasteful from his part.

Last year he went to London to talk before a big game, now he will go to United mid season, I get why he wants to go but he talks about honesty a lot but he was everything but honest.

Let’s say he does a good job, but eventually Guardiola leaves City and he is offered to replace him mid season, how would United fans feel?

Villas Boas did the same to Porto but at least it was pre-season. Obviously time heals all wounds and he is now President of Porto.

It sucks for Sporting fans.
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Sporting took him from Braga mid season in the first place, so shouldn't suck for them any more than what they did to Braga when they took him from them.

Players and managers are always on the move. Of course your views on each occasion depend on whether you're taking or losing the player / manager. But it's all hypocrisy because all clubs do it to each other all the way up and down the levels.

Setting aside the likelihood of City being able to take away a manager 'doing well' at United, your example is hugely different because it involves a person leaving to join not just a direct league rival but also a city rival. So of course there'd be extra upset at a player or manager moving to a rival like that - mid or post season - compared to just leaving to a non-rival club abroad.
 
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Deco10Legend said:
Because the standards of what is a good season at United seem to have fallen massively.

You see people in this forum saying getting top 4 is great while City are four time champions and are challenging for the champions league every year.

A lot of people were happy with just getting the FA Cup.
Would City fans and the board be happy if that’s all they could do?

I think the expectations are completely different between the two clubs.

Managers and players want to win, and winning at City seems easier, even if it’s by cheating .
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Can't help but feel like you're moving goal-posts somewhat.

You tried to draw a parallel between what's happening with Sporting, and it potentially happening with United in the future. Fact of the matter is - Sporting fans feel hurt/aggrieved because this is a manager that's won titles with them and has seemingly made them a dominant force. The parallel doesn't work anywhere near as well if we're talking about a guy getting top 6 or top 4 or winning a cup competition. I mean, Ten Hag did that and his poll on this very same forum was at +80% for him to leave for months - with people even wishing we'd lose games to speed up the process, so.

No one will be throwing themselves off of Trafford Centre if a guy that wins a Carabao or finished top 4 or 6 wants to leave, I promise.

On the other hand, if he does as welll for United as he did for Sporting - there would be no reason to leave United - especially not for City.
 
Deco10Legend said:
Because the standards of what is a good season at United seem to have fallen massively.

You see people in this forum saying getting top 4 is great while City are four time champions and are challenging for the champions league every year.

A lot of people were happy with just getting the FA Cup.
Would City fans and the board be happy if that’s all they could do?

I think the expectations are completely different between the two clubs.

Managers and players want to win, and winning at City seems easier, even if it’s by cheating .
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So the feelings of some fans is your reasoning to suggest he would leave United for City in the middle of the season?
 
Deco10Legend said:
I’m a Porto fan so I want him to go but it’s a bit distasteful from his part.

Last year he went to London to talk before a big game, now he will go to United mid season, I get why he wants to go but he talks about honesty a lot but he was everything but honest.

Let’s say he does a good job, but eventually Guardiola leaves City and he is offered to replace him mid season, how would United fans feel?

Villas Boas did the same to Porto but at least it was pre-season. Obviously time heals all wounds and he is now President of Porto.

It sucks for Sporting fans.
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Distasteful would be for him to go to Benfica mid-season.

That he was wooed by Liverpool and West Ham before this season is not strange, and the fascination about him talking to another club during a season is strangely naive, as if this wasn’t what is normal for coaches as well as clubs. Still he declined both the offers.

What it shows, is that Sporting went into the season knowing he could be tempted away by the right offer. They were forewarned, as opposed to the ‘taken by suprise’-narrative which is frankly also naive.

Sporting is a great club with beautiful traditions, but for anyone saying it’s a surprise for a Sporting-coach to jump at the chance to go to one of the most well known and well resourced clubs in the world, I question how genuine they are.
 
Deco10Legend said:
Because the standards of what is a good season at United seem to have fallen massively.

You see people in this forum saying getting top 4 is great while City are four time champions and are challenging for the champions league every year.

A lot of people were happy with just getting the FA Cup.
Would City fans and the board be happy if that’s all they could do?

I think the expectations are completely different between the two clubs.

Managers and players want to win, and winning at City seems easier, even if it’s by cheating .
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Alot of people say this.. standards have fallen but it isn't true.

Firstly, you have to understand your position, our infrastructure, coaching has dropped in quality which has led to other teams with modern methods overtaking us.

Fans were happy winning a trophy? that's a shock! Most people actually said it salvaged the season, no one was happy being 8th, so now sure you think United fans accept 8th?

Expectations are only different because who they have in the dug out.. Lets see when Pep leaves, and the season after, I guarantee you, if they win a FA cup they will be over the moon.

Managers at United generally get sacked if they show after couple season they are not able to challenge. Ole was meant to challenge year 3, he didnt and sacked, same with Jose and Ten Hag.
 
SB16 said:
If he thinks this is a soap opera he clearly wasn't around for Sneijder / Vidal / Frenkie de Jong etc. Plastic Red.
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On a slightly more serious note, I do hope he knows what he's letting himself in for. He looked pretty exasperated just batting away the questions about United that came up in the couple of press conferences since he's been linked with us.

The sheer volume of media bullshit, hyperbole, spin and outright lies along with the scrutiny that every word he says will be under will get very tiresome very quickly.
 
Bertie Wooster said:
Sporting took him from Braga mid season in the first place, so doesn't suck for them any more than what they did to Braga when they got him.

Players and managers are always on the move. Of course your views on each depend on whether it's an occasion when you're taking or losing the player / manager. But it's all hypocrisy because all clubs do it to each other.

Setting aside the idea of City being able to take away a manager 'doing well' at United, your example is hugely different because it involves a person leaving to join not just a direct league rival but also a city rival. So of course there'd be extra upset at a player or manager moving to a rival like that - mid or post season - compared to just leaving to a non-rival club abroad.
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That’s true, it’s a city rival, so that would be worse, but you guys downplay City all the time like they are non existent compared to Liverpool.

And transactions between British clubs seem to happen a lot in terms of players at least.

A lot of people hated Ronaldo for leaving for Madrid, so maybe that’s a better example.

I know Sporting did the same thing, it’s how football works.

A lot of people seem to be offended because I mentioned City as being a more attractive option than United.

History is great and all, but it’s the reality we leave in.

Otherwise no player or manager would want to go City or PSG.
 
Deco10Legend said:
Because the standards of what is a good season at United seem to have fallen massively.

You see people in this forum saying getting top 4 is great while City are four time champions and are challenging for the champions league every year.

A lot of people were happy with just getting the FA Cup.
Would City fans and the board be happy if that’s all they could do?

I think the expectations are completely different between the two clubs.

Managers and players want to win, and winning at City seems easier, even if it’s by cheating .
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This isn't wrong, and I still blame David Moyes with his mid-table mindset and lowering of expectations. There was a general air at the time of "he needs time to learn and grow into the job before he can be judged", when that would never be acceptable at any other top club. He and the board who appointed him are the ones who let standards slip by establishing that it's OK to not try to be the best at Man United.

Going after Amorim--someone who is actually promising and seems hungry for success--is very exciting. At least his most impressive qualification isn't constantly finishing in 7th with the league's 7th best team.

Sorry for derailing the thread. Yes, I'm still angry.

/end rant
 
Deco10Legend said:
A lot of people seem to be offended because I mentioned City as being a more attractive option than United.

History is great and all, but it’s the reality we leave in.

Otherwise no player or manager would want to go City or PSG.
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So we're back to the crux of your argument - you find City extremely attractive for managers, etc. They are. Again, no one is contesting that managers would like/be interested in managing City or PSG. But, again, people are rightly highlighting to you that the scenario you described doesn't have the equivalence you seem to believe it does with what's happening currently. Unless, as mentioned by @Judas , you have a pretty poor understanding of English football.
 
Deco10Legend said:
Let’s say he does a good job, but eventually Guardiola leaves City and he is offered to replace him mid season, how would United fans feel?
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I do disagree with this though. This just isn't how English football works. A manager might take a job at a rival club (like a player might play for a rival club) but realistically not without a step in between. Direct movement of personnel between clubs of similar stature (whether that's similar historic significance, on-pitch competiveness, financial might, or rivalry) almost never happens. If City came in for him and we wanted to keep him, United would make it much more attractive for him to stay.
 
I’m still waiting to hear why a manager that’s doing well at United would move to City. All I’m hearing is “money and winning”, but I mean, United isn’t really known for short-changing managers/players, and if they’re doing well here I’m assuming that covers the “winning” part. So what would be the compelling reason?

Guy also reduced United to just “history”, which I guess is because we are kinda washed-up currently, but in his scenario we’re supposedly doing well, so
 
There is some concern he might jump ship quickly from United considering was talking to West Ham not long ago. We don't know if he just wants to take a step into the PL or sees doubling or trebling his salary the biggest thing, it can be both and that is understandable, perhaps riches is a huge driver for him, we don't know.

Madrid might be a better example rather the cheaty but who knows, with his ex Sporting CP DOF at cheaty, perhaps he can convince Amorim to join in 2/3 years if still a top prospect, derail United's progress while getting his target. You've go to wonder what comes your way with state ownership, what doors for you and your wider family can open to their business or interests, free unlimited flights and much more. Amorim could be tempted with the advantage a state club has with the resources and unlimited squad for an easier win path.

Sporting dealt a huge blow to Braga mid season, Amorim is talking to West Ham, I'm not going to shed a tear but still respect what Sporting are as a top club in Portugal, seems it's big bad Manchester United again and everything is highlighted and put through inspection, we now need a sob story instead of the normal function that happens at every level every day and could happen to United.
 
redshaw said:
There is some concern he might jump ship quickly from United considering was talking to West Ham not long ago. We don't know if he just wants to take a step into the PL or sees doubling or trebling his salary the biggest thing, it can be both and that is understandable, perhaps riches is a huge driver for him, we don't know.

Madrid might be a better example rather the cheaty but who knows, with his ex Sporting CP DOF at cheaty, perhaps he can convince Amorim to join in 2/3 years if still a top prospect, derail United's progress while getting his target. You've go to wonder what comes your way with state ownership, what doors for you and your wider family can open to their business or interests, free unlimited flights and much more. Amorim could be tempted with the advantage a state club has with the resources and unlimited squad for an easier win path.

Sporting dealt a huge blow to Braga mid season, Amorim is talking to West Ham, I'm not going to shed a tear but still respect what Sporting are as a top club in Portugal, seems it's big bad Manchester United again and everything is highlighted and put through inspection, we now need a sob story instead on the normal function that happens at every level every day and could happen to United.
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Some thoughts are fine just remaining in your mind.
 
Deco10Legend said:
That’s true, it’s a city rival, so that would be worse, but you guys downplay City all the time like they are non existent compared to Liverpool
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In a history or true rivals perspective… they are. Not even second or remotely close.

In a recently/trophies sense, yes.

Regardless, if Amorim is doing well here, he won’t leave for City.
 
I just hope INEOS do a better job of shielding the manager this time round.

They have fumbled around since the summer doing a very public search for a new manager, none of which had any positive impact on the clubs form on the pitch.

Now they have there man I hope they at least try to control the narrative to give him the best chance of success.
 
Just a question, as I've not watched any Portugese football tbf...

What's different about this appointment vs ETH? Promising manager with a reputation for good football etc.

Is it the fact there's a structure in place now that wasn't before? Is he just a different type of coach?

Obviously it sounds an exciting appointment but can't help the fear we are doing this all again in 2 years time?

Be nice to feel that there are genuine reasons this will be different from people that know more about him than me, which is feck all.
 
londonredmaniac said:
Just a question, as I've not watched any Portugese football tbf...

What's different about this appointment vs ETH? Promising manager with a reputation for good football etc.

Is it the fact there's a structure in place now that wasn't before? Is he just a different type of coach?

Obviously it sounds an exciting appointment but can't help the fear we are doing this all again in 2 years time?

Be nice to feel that there are genuine reasons this will be different from people that know more about him than me, which is feck all.
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Christ mate crack a smile.
 
londonredmaniac said:
Just a question, as I've not watched any Portugese football tbf...

What's different about this appointment vs ETH? Promising manager with a reputation for good football etc.

Is it the fact there's a structure in place now that wasn't before? Is he just a different type of coach?

Obviously it sounds an exciting appointment but can't help the fear we are doing this all again in 2 years time?

Be nice to feel that there are genuine reasons this will be different from people that know more about him than me, which is feck all.
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He's a different coach, with different tactics, different personal strengths and weaknesses.

Just having the same vague profile doesn't mean he'll do exactly as well or as badly as the previous coach, otherwise Villas Boas would have been the new Mourinho.
 
How many fake injuries can we manufacture for the international break? Giving him two weeks to work with the squad outside the spotlight would be brilliant.
 
Amazing how much hate this potential appointment seems to be getting on the media.....
 
londonredmaniac said:
Just a question, as I've not watched any Portugese football tbf...

What's different about this appointment vs ETH? Promising manager with a reputation for good football etc.

Is it the fact there's a structure in place now that wasn't before? Is he just a different type of coach?

Obviously it sounds an exciting appointment but can't help the fear we are doing this all again in 2 years time?

Be nice to feel that there are genuine reasons this will be different from people that know more about him than me, which is feck all.
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For one, Ten Hag was winning the Dutch league with the dominant team. Amorin has won the Portuguese title by beating out the two dominant sides, winning Sporting their first league in years. He is also significantly younger. There are more differences than similarities.
 
londonredmaniac said:
Just a question, as I've not watched any Portugese football tbf...

What's different about this appointment vs ETH? Promising manager with a reputation for good football etc.

Is it the fact there's a structure in place now that wasn't before? Is he just a different type of coach?

Obviously it sounds an exciting appointment but can't help the fear we are doing this all again in 2 years time?

Be nice to feel that there are genuine reasons this will be different from people that know more about him than me, which is feck all.
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I think his system is the main difference. None of the top teams in Europe play a back 3/5 whilst still producing good football. Be interesting to see how that pans out. Plus he’s one of the youngest managers in Europe. Someone we can build with hopefully.
 
afrocentricity said:
Amazing how much hate this potential appointment seems to be getting on the media.....
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Of course there’s hate. We’re involved. Everyone’s gutted he ain’t replacing pep at city. When they thought that he was the best young manager around.
 
The White Pele said:
I agree. I think they were holding him to his notice period in the hope to squeeze a few more £m out of us for him to be released immediately and we’ve called their bluff and said we’re prepared to wait. As you say, it could easily be counter-productive from Sporting’s perspective.
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The real reason is that he was dishonest with the club. Twice in one year. If the first time he apologised and the fans forgave him, not now. Otherwise there would be no obstacle to leaving. If it had been at the end of last season, he would have left quietly and the club would have let him go immediately.
 
londonredmaniac said:
Just a question, as I've not watched any Portugese football tbf...

What's different about this appointment vs ETH? Promising manager with a reputation for good football etc.

Is it the fact there's a structure in place now that wasn't before? Is he just a different type of coach?

Obviously it sounds an exciting appointment but can't help the fear we are doing this all again in 2 years time?

Be nice to feel that there are genuine reasons this will be different from people that know more about him than me, which is feck all.
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There is all the chances he doesn’t succeed, but his current CV is very impressive. He’s also 15 years younger than ten Hag.

If he turns out to be not very good - ah well - we move him on swiftly. The club (fans) has to get over this idea of every manager being some sort of father figure who will save all our problems.
 
Deco10Legend said:
Because the standards of what is a good season at United seem to have fallen massively.

You see people in this forum saying getting top 4 is great while City are four time champions and are challenging for the champions league every year.

A lot of people were happy with just getting the FA Cup.
Would City fans and the board be happy if that’s all they could do?

I think the expectations are completely different between the two clubs.

Managers and players want to win, and winning at City seems easier, even if it’s by cheating .
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Put it this way, since you're a Porto fan. Imagine Santa Clara win the league 5 times in a row and Porto go through a bit of a bumpy ride. You bring a manager in that does well for you, do you think he'd leave to go to Santa Clara mid season ?

Yeah it's laughable.

Cristiano, one of the most egoistical players of all time didn't join City as soon as United came calling.... There are things money can't buy.
 
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