Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

PoTMS said:
Based on the eye test and results, he is comfortably the worst manager we've ever had.
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Easily, I understand that a manager can have promise, but there's very strong evidence to see that a United with Amorim for 2 seasons looks absolutely shambolic.
 
stevoc said:
I've came to the conclusion after reading similar multiple times over the years that some people not ony seem to think a manager does very little to affect results but also that the manager can do no wrong and the players are always to blame in every scenario when shit hits the fan.
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It's the same with every manager for this fanbase. They quickly develop a cult-like devotion and reverence for them as it makes them feel as though Fergie is still here.
 
sugar_kane said:
Anyone (Amorim included) trying to downplay the importance of a formation is talking out of their hole.

This isn’t just about playing principles, 343 means we have to start 3 crap centre backs at the expense of a player in midfield, it means we have to play 2 holding DMs even though we barely have one. It means we’re either playing fullbacks who can’t attack out wide or wingers who can’t defend.

It means we have players out of position all over the park, it means promising players like Mainoo and Garnacho are suddenly looking like spare parts and were reliant on dogshite like Casemiro and Zirkzee.

The players get blamed for absolutely everything (anything to excuse Ruben) but I honestly feel sorry for them having to figure out how to make this nonsense work for a totally inflexible manager who is hanging them out to dry.

I absolutely maintain any decent manager should be able to flex their set-up and get the best out of what’s available to them, and it’s absurd that so many of our own fans let alone Ruben are happy to see us slide towards the relegation spots just so we can play one specific formation.

It’d be different if there was any hint whatsoever of things starting to click but it’s totally absent, we look dreadful and are getting worse.
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On the money.
 
NK86 said:
Look at how we are playing and then tell if the manager is doing anything right.

Look at how Everton were under Dyche and how they are playing now. You will understand how a good manager can improve the players and the team as a whole.

Why did we even hire a manager who is making the team somehow worse than when he got them, which actually takes a lot considering where we were when he camr.
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Because the players were willing to take what Moyes is telling them onboard.

Our players have stopped listening. Look at the mistakes they're making
 
DWelbz19 said:
Behave, man. About four weeks ago this Everton side were headed for the drop and couldn’t buy a goal or keep a clean sheet. A new manager came in and did what managers are supposed to do
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We have been shit for years. Blame anyone, blame the Glazers for killing the club.
 
waza7111 said:
He still gets until the end of next season no matter what for me

We have to give managers a proper chance or will be in this cycle for another decade.

He needs a pre season, hopefully 4/5 signings and things might improve next season
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Key word here being "might"...and if they don't? We're then 2 years down with having spend money on prayers that the next manager probably won't want here.
 
cyril C said:
Positioning of individual players are awful. Either too wide apart hence poor passing, or too close hence hard to pass. Take the counter-attack at the 50s min, I saw 4 players rushing on the RHS about 10y apart, with the ball end up out of bound. We played like primary school boys rushing to have a great time, absolutely no formation at all.
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Correct. You need absolute balance to be a good team.
With ETH we used to be too attacking.
With Amorim we are too defensive.
 
sugar_kane said:
Anyone (Amorim included) trying to downplay the importance of a formation is talking out of their hole.

This isn’t just about playing principles, 343 means we have to start 3 crap centre backs at the expense of a player in midfield, it means we have to play 2 holding DMs even though we barely have one. It means we’re either playing fullbacks who can’t attack out wide or wingers who can’t defend.

It means we have players out of position all over the park, it means promising players like Mainoo and Garnacho are suddenly looking like spare parts and were reliant on dogshite like Casemiro and Zirkzee.

The players get blamed for absolutely everything (anything to excuse Ruben) but I honestly feel sorry for them having to figure out how to make this nonsense work for a totally inflexible manager who is hanging them out to dry.

I absolutely maintain any decent manager should be able to flex their set-up and get the best out of what’s available to them, and it’s absurd that so many of our own fans let alone Ruben are happy to see us slide towards the relegation spots just so we can play one specific formation.

It’d be different if there was any hint whatsoever of things starting to click but it’s totally absent, we look dreadful and are getting worse.
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The formation means ‘we have to start 3 crap centre backs at the expense of a player in midfield’ - mate we have nothing but crap in midfield either. We have to play Casemiro there as it is, were you finding another non-crap mid?

Garnacho gets just as much opportunity under this system as he does in another, it’s not on Amorim that he can’t shoot for shit.

We have simply signed a bunch of dross in the last 5 years and it’s caught up with us.
 
sugar_kane said:
Anyone (Amorim included) trying to downplay the importance of a formation is talking out of their hole.

This isn’t just about playing principles, 343 means we have to start 3 crap centre backs at the expense of a player in midfield, it means we have to play 2 holding DMs even though we barely have one. It means we’re either playing fullbacks who can’t attack out wide or wingers who can’t defend.

It means we have players out of position all over the park, it means promising players like Mainoo and Garnacho are suddenly looking like spare parts and were reliant on dogshite like Casemiro and Zirkzee.

The players get blamed for absolutely everything (anything to excuse Ruben) but I honestly feel sorry for them having to figure out how to make this nonsense work for a totally inflexible manager who is hanging them out to dry.

I absolutely maintain any decent manager should be able to flex their set-up and get the best out of what’s available to them, and it’s absurd that so many of our own fans let alone Ruben are happy to see us slide towards the relegation spots just so we can play one specific formation.

It’d be different if there was any hint whatsoever of things starting to click but it’s totally absent, we look dreadful and are getting worse.
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Well said.
 
sugar_kane said:
Anyone (Amorim included) trying to downplay the importance of a formation is talking out of their hole.

This isn’t just about playing principles, 343 means we have to start 3 crap centre backs at the expense of a player in midfield, it means we have to play 2 holding DMs even though we barely have one. It means we’re either playing fullbacks who can’t attack out wide or wingers who can’t defend.

It means we have players out of position all over the park, it means promising players like Mainoo and Garnacho are suddenly looking like spare parts and were reliant on dogshite like Casemiro and Zirkzee.

The players get blamed for absolutely everything (anything to excuse Ruben) but I honestly feel sorry for them having to figure out how to make this nonsense work for a totally inflexible manager who is hanging them out to dry.

I absolutely maintain any decent manager should be able to flex their set-up and get the best out of what’s available to them, and it’s absurd that so many of our own fans let alone Ruben are happy to see us slide towards the relegation spots just so we can play one specific formation.

It’d be different if there was any hint whatsoever of things starting to click but it’s totally absent, we look dreadful and are getting worse.
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What a great post.
 
Pexbo said:
Literally every single one of you crying right now will be crying exactly the same way when these players feck the next manager over.
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The players can’t play the system, the manager is refusing to be pragmatic to at least boost the players confidence and get results. This is completely unacceptable.
 
I’m at a loss. I genuinely thought he was the right guy to turn things around but it’s got worse.

It’s now possible he could be sacked by the end of the season
 
The clown refuses to bring on younger players even now. The massive hard-on he has for Hojlund is something else.
 
If we don’t beat Ipswich I think the board are mad not to sack him. Enough is enough.

Yes the players aren’t good enough but we weren’t this bad before. Something has to change and if the manager isn’t willing to temporarily give up the formation he should be gone.
 
We have really fecked up bringing in Amorim. I’d be loathe to waste a fortune on players for this system in the summer just for him to be sacked by Christmas.
 
Leftback99 said:
So when we finish below them this season (and nearly everyone else) it's conclusive evidence that they are better?
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Obviously not. However if we were to finish 7 places and 20 points below them this season then there would a strong argument to be made that they have a better squad than us.
 
pascell said:
Because the players were willing to take what Moyes is telling them onboard.

Our players have stopped listening. Look at the mistakes they're making
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So the manager just came in and the players collectively decided we won’t listen to anything he says?

As I said, usually this part of a manager’s cycle at our club comes much later and most fans by then realise the manager is shite. It’s just a shock that the current manager has shown his ineptitude so early that the fans are not sure how to justify that. Hence blame everyone and every thing to absolve the manager or accept that he was the wrong appointment.
 
I've just realized that apart from the game against Fulham, Amad has had a hand in every other point the team under him got.

He is going to need massive luck to get another point.
 
sugar_kane said:
Anyone (Amorim included) trying to downplay the importance of a formation is talking out of their hole.

This isn’t just about playing principles, 343 means we have to start 3 crap centre backs at the expense of a player in midfield, it means we have to play 2 holding DMs even though we barely have one. It means we’re either playing fullbacks who can’t attack out wide or wingers who can’t defend.

It means we have players out of position all over the park, it means promising players like Mainoo and Garnacho are suddenly looking like spare parts and were reliant on dogshite like Casemiro and Zirkzee.

The players get blamed for absolutely everything (anything to excuse Ruben) but I honestly feel sorry for them having to figure out how to make this nonsense work for a totally inflexible manager who is hanging them out to dry.

I absolutely maintain any decent manager should be able to flex their set-up and get the best out of what’s available to them, and it’s absurd that so many of our own fans let alone Ruben are happy to see us slide towards the relegation spots just so we can play one specific formation.

It’d be different if there was any hint whatsoever of things starting to click but it’s totally absent, we look dreadful and are getting worse.
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Good post. It’s why my first choice was Nagelsmann but he apparently doesnt want to leave the NT gig just yet. He’s very flexible with his approach and formations.
 
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