Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

UnsungHero said:
Game going badly as predicted, and some people still want to blame Amorim. This is a decade of horrendous decision making unfolding before our eyes, yet people want to blame the guy who's only been here 5 minutes.
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Everton ain't liverpool madrid and city all rolled into one, it's fecking Everton. Bad decisions before he came here have nothing to do with him having us in relegation territory since coming in, funny enough not once in the decade of horrendous decision making got us as close to getting relegated as hipster mcgenius has

He is actually perfectly encapsulating a lot of utd fan's delusions, 5 new players aren't going to magically turn this team around under amorim, if he needs to spend 200mn to get into top 10, maybe he isn't really good at his job.
 
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I feel like he played the right team today, the mistakes the back (Maguire especially) really fecked him up. There was a lot more proactiveness going forward.
 
Dan_F said:
They can jump for a header and clear the ball from the box, so that’s already better. Amorim can’t do anything about these goals, it’s individually awful.
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The football we play is awful. He cant do anything about the goals but he can do something about how we play, we look awful;. we don't press we don't attack we don't control, forget about the one 2s or patterns of play, we can't even do the basics. Championship teams play better than us. It's not the players. Most players are newish signings, and the ones that are gone are doing better.
 
Sack him and take the PSR hit next season. It won't make much difference as we are going down under this lad. He's not got a clue how to manage a top team that's under pressure. The players are better than this, only just, but they were better than this under ETH. To make us a complete blank when going forward is something. The away fans chanting 'Attack, Attack' at fecking Everton is pretty damning.
Looking at Amorin, he knows he's toast - let's hope he walks.
 
Look at it this way. If his name was Southgate or Ole would people still be saying back the manager with this form? No way. They be demanding them to be sacked.
 
I don't want to hear any more that it's all the players' fault. There's no excuse for relegation form. Is it really a surprise when you come in and insist on playing a system not suited to the squad and then call them the worst team ever and keep losing games that confidence is shot. The difference between Moyes' Everton and Amorim's Utd is not quality (in fact we had some decent moments on the ball) but one team is playing with energy and self belief.

If the players are *that* bad then Ten Hag is a genius manager to come 3rd and 8th.
 
chris123 said:
We have had 7 manager since Sir Alex. None of them have made the team better.
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Better than what really?

Than Ferguson team yes.

Can City get a manager who will be better than Pep, probably not.

We need managers to win us more games than 99% of other teams. Arteta might not be the best coach, but he wins 99% more games than other teams.

For us Amorim has made us lose over 60% of our games. The guy has won 4 league games since November 2024.
Even Ole and ETH had us 2nd and 3rd. Even Mourinho had us 2nd.

By being second means we collected more points than 99.9% of teams.
Can Amorim achieve position 2 in the league? :lol: with this showing, he cant.
 
See no problem in sacking him. Top teams have sacked managers galore before. He is just a bad hire, nothing strange if he leaves.
 
Unless Ruben Amorim's instructions to his players are to go out on the pitch with NO fight, NO backbone, NO technique, and NO fecking balls then I fail to see how he is the issue. These players are absolutely dire. Okay. Fine. You can't complete a simple five uyard pass, Zirkzee. At least put your head down and put in a shift. Hojlund and Zirkzee are the worst two strikers we've had since Bellion. It's a day off for Tarkowski and Branthwaite. They can't have had an easier half of football all season. Casemiro is a football terrorist that should never see the pitch again. Maguire is so weak it makes me sick to my stomach. At this point, bin every single player.

If they sack Ruben Amorim at this point then there's no hope for this club. These shite players will have been through yet another manager without showing they are anything other than mid-table quality, at best, and it will be six months before whoever replaces Amorim is fecked over by the players.
 
Erics_Collar said:
Also worrying is that you could sense an "end days" vibe during the last few games of the Ole, Mourinho and ETH reigns. It was very distinct and noticeable, even if not too easy to describe. The team looked lost, nobody was trying, results got worse and worse etc.

I don't know about you, but I'm getting that vibe now as strong as ever.
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i do see some of that, what little confidence we had seems to have gone. There doesn't seem to be a lot of belief in these tactics and I can see why. The defence is even more exposed than under Ten Hag whilst stripping us of attacking options. The amount of times that the only forward option is to lump it forward to Rasmus whose surrounded by 3 players is silly. This is a league where teams are physically fit enough to get up to press and get back quick to put in a low block.

Pep acknowledged very quickly that he couldn't replicate what he did at Barca in this league, and that was a great manager with a better squad. This to me is less that we all of a sudden have relegation candidate players in our squad and more that we have a manager whose tactics worked in a slower league with weaker teams whose same tactics are being found out in a much better league.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Yep, we absolutely blame the guy who is getting miles worse results than the previous guy with the same players.
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Aren't we one league position worse? I mean it's hardly that dramatic.

NK86 said:
Yet another case of blindly hoping a manager is the cure even though he is showing himself to be as much of a problem.

We need to stop with this thought process that every manager we hire is “the one”. Amorim is just another guy, much like his predecessors, who came in with a lot of hype but he is not really that good, again much like the man he replaced.
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Not at all, I just think it's far more complicated than the manager. He could be doing better, certainly, but he's in a firestorm unlike any other. It's unfair to just disregard that.

Also, who else is out there? Not exactly a wonderful selection of managers to pick from.

Short term results won't fix the club long term, but people can't handle the pain.
 
Toshey said:
I guess Amorim will get battered but let's be honest.

Our captain and supposedly most creative player with a 0/10 performance.

Maguire with the worst performance I've ever seen from a defender. And I've seen Bailly/Rojo partnership.

Key point that says it all - 49th minute in a tight area Zirkzee and Bruno lose 3 challenges in a row, looking unbothered.

If they sack the manager (deserved if you simply look at results), they should sack a bunch of players with him.
And I'm talking about our most expensive ones.
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We can’t complete a 5 yard pass and sometimes look like we can’t be bothered. Just play the kids. It really couldn’t be worse. At least they would show some energy. This is depressing
 
Widow said:
We asked for a complete reset, this is what it looks like. He needs his players before we get to judge him fully. Accept the short term pain
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The club is broke and we're done with the idea of buying managers "their" players
 
Toshey said:
I guess Amorim will get battered but let's be honest.

Our captain and supposedly most creative player with a 0/10 performance.

Maguire with the worst performance I've ever seen from a defender. And I've seen Bailly/Rojo partnership.

Key point that says it all - 49th minute in a tight area Zirkzee and Bruno lose 3 challenges in a row, looking unbothered.

If they sack the manager (deserved if you simply look at results), they should sack a bunch of players with him.
And I'm talking about our most expensive ones.
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We were rubbish without Maguire

We were rubbish without Bruno

It's not that he needs to go but he is responsible for the performances of the TEAM
 
UnsungHero said:
Game going badly as predicted, and some people still want to blame Amorim. This is a decade of horrendous decision making unfolding before our eyes, yet people want to blame the guy who's only been here 5 minutes.
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The manager has to bear overall responsibility.

There were people blindly trying to see "improvement" a month or 2 back using a stolen late win at City, in their meltdown period, and a draw at Anfield as evidene that we were on the right path.

Those posters have totally disappeared now.
We're worried, and rightly so.

We basically need the summer to come asap.
 
soapythecat said:
Sack him and take the PSR hit next season. It won't make much difference as we are going down under this lad. He's not got a clue how to manage a top team that's under pressure. The players are better than this, only just, but they were better than this under ETH. To make us a complete blank when going forward is something. The away fans chanting 'Attack, Attack' at fecking Everton is pretty damning.
Looking at Amorin, he knows he's toast - let's hope he walks.
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Under Ruud was probably the most enjoyable time I've had this entire season.

Just a simple 4-3-3 with attacking intent.

We weren't going to win the league but by feck we might have challenged for top 5. Not this shit we are mired in right now.
 
I completely understand those fans who say Amorim is tactically inflexible, I completely understand those who point to the number of losses since he's joined and I completely understand those who say the performances are terrible.

But honestly even replacing him does nothing. This group of players were terrible under Ten Hag and they are now terrible under Amorim. They completely lack physicality, effort, aggression, concentration and tecnical ability.

We need to find a way to get to the summer and replace at least half the squad. Considering the amount we've spent and wages these players are on, our squad is a joke.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
You sure about that?
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Yes. Soton are finished, and Ipswich and Leicester are too terrible to not only close the gap, but go past United. United will win at least one of the games with Ipswich or Leicester, which pretty much seals the deal. I think 16th place is where it will be, with Wolves just behind.
 
kouroux said:
Ineos= Idiots.
Can't believe some were that happy when they won the bid ahead of the Qataris :lol:
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Probably because the other bid was from a state that constantly violates human rights and is a slave trader. I'd rather get relegated than be owned by that lot.
 
rajds89 said:
The same unbeatable England that got dicked by the mighty Hungary? The same England that got relegated from the top nations league group? The same England that under his management bottled every moment they had to make history?
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Nations League, no one cares about the Nations League. It’s a tournament that replaced International Friendlies.

He has the second best record in England history in competitive international games.

Again, I’m not saying hes the messiah. I’m just saying he wouldn’t have us being dicked by every team we play. We sure as shit wouldn’t be 15th. Wouldn’t be leaking goals. And he’s a below average manager himself.

Amorim has been a disaster.
 
He needs to go, hopefully he has enough shame to resign himself and we don’t have to payout him. We are looking clueless out there with soo many holes in the field. The system is a feck up. I know the players are pretty awful as well. But he is making them look even worse.
 
Blood Mage said:
When you have a shite squad simple tactics under a manager who the players like is the way to go. Lets hold off on hiring hipster coaches with fancy systems until the playing personnel is much better than it currently is.
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That's quite the way of putting it but I can't disagree:

DevilRed said:
At this point, he's an even a bigger fraud than Rangnick.

I'm all for backing the manager, but not when results are historically bad.

This is proper relegation form we are in right now.
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The Rangnick thing is actually a good comparison because its gone the same way: Early promising performances, xG outperforming results consistently until a gradual regression to the mean, everything going to crap by the end but a lot of people still buying 'it' cos of charming words in interviews and pressers.

Big Ben Foster said:
Unfortunately it's difficult to see how anything changes this summer, given that the club is broke.

We're not going on a spending spree to transform the squad, so he's got to make do with what he's got, whether we like it or not.
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Agreed. All of which was known before we hired him so its crazy that the Board thought this dogmatic coach, with a squad totally unsuited to his methods, would result in a real improvement. The bad decisions at Man Utd continue to pile up and they're starting to real bite now.

Pirlo'sBeard said:
He'd be out the door if there was a real possibility of us getting relegated. It's been horrific so far.
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Of our upcoming games I think only Ipswich will be competitive. The mentality in this team...we're falling apart before Pancake Day. When it comes to Easter, when the teams around us are fighting for every point, are you confident we'll stand up to be counted? Right now, 17th wouldn't be unsurprising.
 
Look he is doing shite but I still want to see him build his team.

Problem is we have no money so that will never happen.

He will be long gone before he ever gets a chance to replace 90% of the shite players he inherited
 
UnsungHero said:
Aren't we one league position worse? I mean it's hardly that dramatic.



Not at all, I just think it's far more complicated than the manager. He could be doing better, certainly, but he's in a firestorm unlike any other. It's unfair to just disregard that.

Also, who else is out there? Not exactly a wonderful selection of managers to pick from.

Short term results won't fix the club long term, but people can't handle the pain.
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Cannot handle the pain - to what end though? It’s not like there is some magical process he is implementing which only a select few can see or decipher. As I said, it’s just blind hope and believing in his hype that fans are unable to accept that the performances and results are more down to his tactics.
 
I love this thread crowing to pay £15m to sack Amorim and hire... probably Rooney for 4 months. Because no other manager in their right mind will come.
 
Two shambolic goals to concede, but we basically haven't done in anything all half, can barley string a few passes together. Can't sustain any attacks, nor can we keep Everton at bay at the other end.

The more time Amorin has with the team, the worse we are getting that really isn't a good look for him.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
You're making a completely different argument here. Why don't teams go unbeaten at home every season? Idk, because teams lose games here and there. That's obviously not the point I was making.

My point is that "unbeaten away" is a less impressive feat in a season when "away" isn't really "away" in the same sense.
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Nope. Its you who made the claim, playing without fans made us win more games. My question is does this only apply to Manchester United? Playing field is even. We won more games in opposition ground.
 
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