Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

[tomaldinho1]

We were incredibly lucky to finish 8th last season though. Performance wise we deserved no better than 12th - 13th.

Amorim has still been as much of a disaster as ten Hag (who was an unbelievable disaster himself), if not worse. The way we've performed over the last two months, his job would be on the line if he were the manager of Leicester or Ipswich. I know people have convinced themselves that we have the worst squad in Premier League but it's not really the case, we should be doing much, much better than we are. We are basically the worst team in the league right now, outplayed by pretty much every team we face. If we had to re-start our season tomorrow with every team in the league back to zero points, and playing the remaining 13 games, I'd be almost sure we'd get relegated.

I hate this argument. The season is the season, it's 38 games, you deserve to finish where you finish. Injuries, ref calls, other team's injuries etc. are different every year but where you finish is exactly where you deserve to be.

I agree with the sentiment though of how bad we are, this is the first time I am not going into games with some hope - usually I'd always think a good performance was coming, even in the dark days of former managers, and would be looking at Everton and, in particular, Ipswich as big chances to get back to back wins but it seems near inevitable we will struggle in both games. I would honestly be more surprised right now if we won both, than if we lost both which says a lot. I think we'll beat Ipswich for what it is worth, but I can see Everton turning us over.

 

[romufc]

I heard this a lot with Ten Hag last year, we need to persevere with Ten Hag's football, it'll come good eventually, short term pain for long term gain etc.

I often posed the same question in response. What if we wait 3-4 years and we're still shit?

Does it really take that long to determine whether or not a manager is going to work out?

We need to learn from our mistakes, It is obvious if a manager will do well or not...

People compare to Klopp but that Klopp season was so obvious they will improve, the football they played was his style.

I dont think there is any evidence anyone can point to to suggest Amorim will do well, if that is the case, should we really be backing him in the summer ?

It would make more sense to get rid if our performances dont improve till the summer.

 

[VP89]

And we all know Ten Haag is an infinitely better manager than Sean fecking Dyche.

Who was not getting 1 point per game. If you grant the West Ham robbery it probably should have been around 1.5 (still sackable, but shows that the players were better than 1 point a game).

 

[Judas]

I back him and want him to succeed, but I can't argue that if we genuinely don't improve at all before the season ends and there's not many signs of life, its going to be tough. He's still going to need to work with plenty of this squad next year, which is reality, we're not going to get a whole new set of players. So we do need to be seeing a bit more of a tune from them.

 

[Leftback99]

Okay, so you dont think they were favourites? You said you knew Liverpool would win the league though.. or was it the usual with you? Hindsight and after 8/10 games you decided that?

I mean, you could just read my replies instead of making up your own 'facts' again. Would make you look a lot less silly.

I didn't predict Liverpool winning the league before the season, no. But I did say very early on this season they should be favourites and got laughed at.

 

[romufc]

I mean, you could just read my replies instead of making up your own 'facts' again. Would make you look a lot less silly.

Oh yes sorry Mr Hindsight.... You said it after they won 8/9 games... well done you!

The point still stands... Amorim has been rubbish and needs to do much better than he has..

 

[Acquire Me]

Oh yes sorry Mr Hindsight.... You said it after they won 8/9 games... well done you!

The point still stands... Amorim has been rubbish and needs to do much better than he has..

Completely disagree. He is making big changes to a group of players around formation, how they should play, how they should behave and not least there are a lot of young players in the team. On top of this, this is a team that has struggled tremendously for a long time. That is not helping either.

And if you go one step further, there are big changes at Manchester United beyond just the player group. Finances, professionalism, structure, stadium, training ground, new people in management in all departments, etc.

This is going to take time. And it is downright stupid to complain about a manager who has been crazy enough to come in the middle of the season with all the madness that is happening.

We struggle to score goals even when we create big chances. We struggle to do simple basic skills like positioning themselves correctly, even though they know what they should do. We struggle to make the simplest passes. We struggle with attention. What is it that we are not struggling with?

All of this culminates in a group of players who are not doing well and have not been doing well for a long time. Individually, there are several good players. Players who will either find their way with us and become part of a healthier group of players over time, or move on to other clubs where the group of players they become part of works well. Antony is a good example where he comes into a group of players who welcome him well and he shows quite immediately that he is not a completely miserable footballer.

It is actually not possible after all these years to believe that the manager is the main problem in our club. People really need to get over that now. Be glad that we are making all these changes and that we have a management and a manager who are ready to make the tough changes that are needed, even though right now and for sure for a long time it will continue to be brutal.

I know people are running out of patience. It is not surprising, things have not been really good since Sir Alex. At the same time, the greatest joy of United can't be getting a "(Manager name) Out" situation every single time. It's getting hopeless.

Right now, there's little doubt that negativity towards the manager isn't exactly helping our situation. If you have a family member who's struggling, it's not a good idea to be negative, is it?

 

[tomaldinho1]

To people saying he should get the summer no matter what, is that on the basis of any improvement now?

 

[FrankDrebin]

Outside of the Liverpool performance I think he's been fairly terrible.

 

[CG1010]

The way I see it, next season, most of our defence and GK is likely to remain mostly the same - we have more pressing needs at midfield and attack (including the WBs). If he can't stop us from leaking goals heavily until end of this season even with a few 0-0 draws, I would be heavily concerned with our fate next season too.

 

[Judas]

I personally think if we finish say 4th from bottom, and there's pretty much close to no visible and obvious improvement, I don't know how you stick with him unfortunately. It would be a clear sign the players aren't buying in, they're also not going to suddenly buy in over the summer if they're not now. We will spend in the transfer market, plenty will leave, but plenty of this squad will still be here at the start of the new campaign.

I want it to work out, he's one of the few managers we've had since Fergie who will go on to be a success elsewhere I believe, but I'm also not going to be blind to how disappointing its been mostly.

But surely everyone feels like this? We all need to see more signs of an upswing, however minor before this season is done.

 

[DevilRed]

Outside of the Liverpool performance I think he's been fairly terrible.

city win was alright.

His first match in charge was half decent too.

 

[RuudTom83]

Anyone in the camp that wants to sack the manager needs to write the job description as follows…

Applicants should have United challenging for the league in under 3 months, with zero pre-season or signings.

Nobody in their right mind must be thinking to change the manager!?

 

[romufc]

Completely disagree. He is making big changes to a group of players around formation, how they should play, how they should behave and not least there are a lot of young players in the team. On top of this, this is a team that has struggled tremendously for a long time. That is not helping either.

And if you go one step further, there are big changes at Manchester United beyond just the player group. Finances, professionalism, structure, stadium, training ground, new people in management in all departments, etc.

This is going to take time. And it is downright stupid to complain about a manager who has been crazy enough to come in the middle of the season with all the madness that is happening.

We struggle to score goals even when we create big chances. We struggle to do simple basic skills like positioning themselves correctly, even though they know what they should do. We struggle to make the simplest passes. We struggle with attention. What is it that we are not struggling with?

All of this culminates in a group of players who are not doing well and have not been doing well for a long time. Individually, there are several good players. Players who will either find their way with us and become part of a healthier group of players over time, or move on to other clubs where the group of players they become part of works well. Antony is a good example where he comes into a group of players who welcome him well and he shows quite immediately that he is not a completely miserable footballer.

It is actually not possible after all these years to believe that the manager is the main problem in our club. People really need to get over that now. Be glad that we are making all these changes and that we have a management and a manager who are ready to make the tough changes that are needed, even though right now and for sure for a long time it will continue to be brutal.

I know people are running out of patience. It is not surprising, things have not been really good since Sir Alex. At the same time, the greatest joy of United can't be getting a "(Manager name) Out" situation every single time. It's getting hopeless.

Right now, there's little doubt that negativity towards the manager isn't exactly helping our situation. If you have a family member who's struggling, it's not a good idea to be negative, is it?

I am pointing out the facts, the fact that you dont like it and think its stupid to expect Manutd not to be in a relegation fight?

There was no gun to his head about coming in the middle of the season, many managers come mid season. You also realise managers dont get sacked mid season if its all hunky dory at the club right? Usually its because the teams doing a madness.

You do realise that other teams score goals, create chances, pass well because they are well coached. We struggle because the way the manager sets us up.

Do you think Forrest and Bournemouth have elite level players? No, they just are coached better in this moment than we are. Regardless of what anyone says, no one can convince me a group of international players are worse than relegation level teams.

If a family member is struggling with drug abuse but continues to drug abuse... you wont say its fine you feel better with it so keep going would you>?

 

[NLunited]

Completely disagree. He is making big changes to a group of players around formation, how they should play, how they should behave and not least there are a lot of young players in the team. On top of this, this is a team that has struggled tremendously for a long time. That is not helping either.

And if you go one step further, there are big changes at Manchester United beyond just the player group. Finances, professionalism, structure, stadium, training ground, new people in management in all departments, etc.

This is going to take time. And it is downright stupid to complain about a manager who has been crazy enough to come in the middle of the season with all the madness that is happening.

We struggle to score goals even when we create big chances. We struggle to do simple basic skills like positioning themselves correctly, even though they know what they should do. We struggle to make the simplest passes. We struggle with attention. What is it that we are not struggling with?

All of this culminates in a group of players who are not doing well and have not been doing well for a long time. Individually, there are several good players. Players who will either find their way with us and become part of a healthier group of players over time, or move on to other clubs where the group of players they become part of works well. Antony is a good example where he comes into a group of players who welcome him well and he shows quite immediately that he is not a completely miserable footballer.

It is actually not possible after all these years to believe that the manager is the main problem in our club. People really need to get over that now. Be glad that we are making all these changes and that we have a management and a manager who are ready to make the tough changes that are needed, even though right now and for sure for a long time it will continue to be brutal.

I know people are running out of patience. It is not surprising, things have not been really good since Sir Alex. At the same time, the greatest joy of United can't be getting a "(Manager name) Out" situation every single time. It's getting hopeless.

Right now, there's little doubt that negativity towards the manager isn't exactly helping our situation. If you have a family member who's struggling, it's not a good idea to be negative, is it?

I‘m still of the opinion that Amorim needs to be given time, even though we seem to be going backwards. He has been honest about expectations and made hard calls which were the right calls.

Ten Hag had a good first season, but it is clear that players stopped trying hard after the cup win. They also have the tendency to stop following instructions when things aren’t going well.

Some of that is going on now as well; the players are frustrating Amorim as they have frustrated Ten Hag.

Our squad building is going to take more time than expected. First we need to further raise the floor level athletically, technically and mentally, and then add a few special players.

Ten Hag said he needed six transfer windows, but it is more like ten. Players like Mount and Antony aren‘t working out and Casemiro was given a contract that is too long and too high. And there are Rashford and Sancho .

Good additions have been De Ligt, Yoro, Onana (man of the match CL final), Mazraoui, Ugarte. Of the strikers, Zirkzee is starting to show he is a really good footballer, and the jury is out on Højlund, who I still hope will come good if the team around him improves.

Results have been disastrous, so criticism is to be expected. We are shit, and will be shit for a while longer. Embrace the shit until we get through this.

 

[RedSky]

To people saying he should get the summer no matter what, is that on the basis of any improvement now?

My opinion:

1. I would rather stick with a Manager that is attempting to completely redesign the clubs footballing approach. Every Manager that has attempted this has bottled it in an attempt to save their own skin, Amorim hasn't. That's a positive sign not a negative.
2. The squad is incredibly imbalanced. We have no genuine attacking options and our midfield is threadbare. That is not because of Amorim, that is entirely on Ten Hag and the Management.
3. Trying to do #1 during mis season while we are in Europe and the FA Cup is pretty mental, but I can see the viable long term benefit. We're able to test players in a competitive environment and see who can evolve and adapt.
4. Following on from the above, the season was over in the PL as soon as we stuck with Ten Hag. We're still in the Cups, from my perspective we're still doing ok and could still win a Cup. Not ideal, but in a Season devastated by various factors even a Cup Final I would call a relative success.
5. The club is an utter shambles, player power is wild, senior management out of control, recruitment a fundemental mess. If we get rid of Amorim in the Summer all we're doing is fanning the flames.
6. A lot of fans wanted a Young Manager. If we had appointed Xabi Alonso and it was also going this way (which it would) then the same people would be insulting the Bundesliga and calling it a farmers league and down playing his achievements like they are with Amorims. A Young Manager by very nature is relatively unproven. The insulting of Amorims achievements is down right disrespectful and shows the utter lack of class those fans have. His achievements should be applauded and a reason for optimism.
7. Screw the haters. We need something radical at this club to get the heartbeat going, Amorim could finish 17th and he'd still have my support heading into the new season.

 

[Judas]

Anyone in the camp that wants to sack the manager needs to write the job description as follows…

Applicants should have United challenging for the league in under 3 months, with zero pre-season or signings.

Nobody in their right mind must be thinking to change the manager!?

Does anyone think he should be challenging for the league in under 3 months? Even the people who do want him sacked don't think this.

 

[Marcus]

He has my support. But if he needs so many new players (we are broke) and not just more training, we can already see failure in our future for a long long time.

 

[Rolaholic]

Outside of the Liverpool performance I think he's been fairly terrible.

We played well against Arsenal and Citeh as well, it's the midtable sides that these guys still can't get up for

 

[NLunited]

7. Screw the haters. We need something radical at this club to get the heartbeat going, Amorim could finish 17th and he'd still have my support heading into the new season.

That‘s approaching cultlike behavior. 100% Amorim would be fired if we are that bad.

I still support Amorim, but if he loses two/three games in a row, he‘s gone. That‘s just the reality.

 

[romufc]

My opinion:

1. I would rather stick with a Manager that is attempting to completely redesign the clubs footballing approach. Every Manager that has attempted this has bottled it in an attempt to save their own skin, Amorim hasn't. That's a positive sign not a negative.
2. The squad is incredibly imbalanced. We have no genuine attacking options and our midfield is threadbare. That is not because of Amorim, that is entirely on Ten Hag and the Management.
3. Trying to do #1 during mis season while we are in Europe and the FA Cup is pretty mental, but I can see the viable long term benefit. We're able to test players in a competitive environment and see who can evolve and adapt.
4. Following on from the above, the season was over in the PL as soon as we stuck with Ten Hag. We're still in the Cups, from my perspective we're still doing ok and could still win a Cup. Not ideal, but in a Season devastated by various factors even a Cup Final I would call a relative success.
5. The club is an utter shambles, player power is wild, senior management out of control, recruitment a fundemental mess. If we get rid of Amorim in the Summer all we're doing is fanning the flames.
6. A lot of fans wanted a Young Manager. If we had appointed Xabi Alonso and it was also going this way (which it would) then the same people would be insulting the Bundesliga and calling it a farmers league and down playing his achievements like they are with Amorims. A Young Manager by very nature is relatively unproven. The insulting of Amorims achievements is down right disrespectful and shows the utter lack of class those fans have. His achievements should be applauded and a reason for optimism.
7. Screw the haters. We need something radical at this club to get the heartbeat going, Amorim could finish 17th and he'd still have my support heading into the new season.

Alot of fans, who are saying the same thing... this is the state of the club doesn't answer the question does it?

There is nothing to suggest that Amorim will improve its been over 20 games of evidence.

We get the club is in shambles but that does not mean the manager is void of any crticism, especially when he is worse than the guy we sacked.

So you already knew that if we kept Ten Hag, the season was over, but have faith in a manager who is doing worse than the manager you didn't have faith in.

It doesnt make sense, players are rubbish, I agree but Ten Hag and Ruud clearly got more out of them, why cant Ruben get anything out of these players?

When a manager has shown he is not capable of improving the team, there would be little appetite to give him 200m like we have done in the past with managers, blindly backing them.

The state of the club wont change unless we make the change, step 1, back a manager who is showing signs of improvement.

If Amorim is backed and we start the season badly, we will have the exact conversation next season with another manager.

 

[Judas]

That‘s approaching cultlike behavior. 100% Amorim would be fired if we are that bad.

I still support Amorim, but if he loses two/three games in a row, he‘s gone. That‘s just the reality.

But it really isn't? You can pretend it is, but it isn't.

 

[RedSky]

That‘s approaching cultlike behavior. 100% Amorim would be fired if we are that bad.

I still support Amorim, but if he loses two/three games in a row, he‘s gone. That‘s just the reality.

It's not cultlike it's being a realist. Tell me right now, who in this squad could score goals. Who are the players that can suddenly flick a switch and score 8-10? We have none. Our only genuine attacking danger is out for the season.

What we have right now is the failure of the past 5/6 transfer windows finally catching up with us. We simply have no quality, we deserve to be in this position.

 

[ColvaleGoa]

He has my support. But if he needs so many new players (we are broke) and not just more training, we can already see failure in our future for a long long time.

Avoid relegation this season.

We will have enough money from selling Rashford etc.to buy a few players.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

Anyone in the camp that wants to sack the manager needs to write the job description as follows…

Applicants should have United challenging for the league in under 3 months, with zero pre-season or signings.

Nobody in their right mind must be thinking to change the manager!?

United are 15th on the table after 25 games. That's about 14 league positions away from a league challenge.

 

[tomaldinho1]

My opinion:

1. I would rather stick with a Manager that is attempting to completely redesign the clubs footballing approach. Every Manager that has attempted this has bottled it in an attempt to save their own skin, Amorim hasn't. That's a positive sign not a negative.
2. The squad is incredibly imbalanced. We have no genuine attacking options and our midfield is threadbare. That is not because of Amorim, that is entirely on Ten Hag and the Management.
3. Trying to do #1 during mis season while we are in Europe and the FA Cup is pretty mental, but I can see the viable long term benefit. We're able to test players in a competitive environment and see who can evolve and adapt.
4. Following on from the above, the season was over in the PL as soon as we stuck with Ten Hag. We're still in the Cups, from my perspective we're still doing ok and could still win a Cup. Not ideal, but in a Season devastated by various factors even a Cup Final I would call a relative success.
5. The club is an utter shambles, player power is wild, senior management out of control, recruitment a fundemental mess. If we get rid of Amorim in the Summer all we're doing is fanning the flames.
6. A lot of fans wanted a Young Manager. If we had appointed Xabi Alonso and it was also going this way (which it would) then the same people would be insulting the Bundesliga and calling it a farmers league and down playing his achievements like they are with Amorims. A Young Manager by very nature is relatively unproven. The insulting of Amorims achievements is down right disrespectful and shows the utter lack of class those fans have. His achievements should be applauded and a reason for optimism.
7. Screw the haters. We need something radical at this club to get the heartbeat going, Amorim could finish 17th and he'd still have my support heading into the new season.

Appreciate the response although it wasn't the question asked, I was simply asking (taking in all that you have written) is are you of the mindset that it is truly a free hit this season for the rest of the games i.e. he could lose every single one, or is there some part of you that will reassess your support for him based on how we end the season.

Because I understand the latter camp (which is where I am), I am hopeful he will turn it around and, as you say, if he can win a cup I think we could finish 17th and there'd be an acceptance he's proven to be a decent cup manager and now we will look forward to next season hopefully seeing more in the PL. But I do not understand the idea that you can have a head coach come in, get a decent chunk of time to put their system in place (Dec to May is the bulk of the season), show zero improvement on what we see, to date, and survive. That to me would be a huge worry because I would have expected to see some kind of uptick, nothing mental like smashing everyone, but something to get behind.

 

[Leftback99]

£14.5m to sack Ten Hag. Amorim will be going nowhere anytime soon regardless of results.

 

[hobbers]

That‘s approaching cultlike behavior. 100% Amorim would be fired if we are that bad.

I still support Amorim, but if he loses two/three games in a row, he‘s gone. That‘s just the reality.

Well if anyone is going to know about that sort of behaviour in a manager thread, it would be you.

 

[erikcred]

Avoid relegation this season.

We will have enough money from selling Rashford etc.to buy a few players.

We shouldn't spend all of it right away. Maybe put aside half and with the other half sign a few players for the highest priority positions -- forward and wingback.

 

[RedSky]

Alot of fans, who are saying the same thing... this is the state of the club doesn't answer the question does it?

There is nothing to suggest that Amorim will improve its been over 20 games of evidence.

We get the club is in shambles but that does not mean the manager is void of any crticism, especially when he is worse than the guy we sacked.

So you already knew that if we kept Ten Hag, the season was over, but have faith in a manager who is doing worse than the manager you didn't have faith in.

It doesnt make sense, players are rubbish, I agree but Ten Hag and Ruud clearly got more out of them, why cant Ruben get anything out of these players?

When a manager has shown he is not capable of improving the team, there would be little appetite to give him 200m like we have done in the past with managers, blindly backing them.

The state of the club wont change unless we make the change, step 1, back a manager who is showing signs of improvement.

If Amorim is backed and we start the season badly, we will have the exact conversation next season with another manager.

We're playing a different system. So obviously Amorim is going to struggle more. I'm sure if he abandoned his principles and attempted to put a blanket over our players and put them in a formation they'd be more comfortable in his results would improve. But that's not what we're doing.

Nobody is saying he can't be critised, that's just something you're plucking out of thin air. We all understand that this is crap, that results are extremely poor. But sacking him simply isn't the answer, it'll just be yet another terrible decision in an extremely long list of bad decisions. We've appointed him, that came with the very clear understanding that by doing so we would be changing system. We accepted that and still took him on in the middle of the season. The club knew it would be a poor short term decision but made it with long term objectivity.

No matter who was appointed this season it would end up with this being a terrible year. Ten Hags transfers and squad planning doomed this club. Too many of us predicted that it would end in tears because our strikers are so poor. We basically gambled this year in the hope Rashford woke up. He didn't. Season over.

 

[RedRocket9908]

Avoid relegation this season.

We will have enough money from selling Rashford etc.to buy a few players.

We already spent the Sancho money on Dorgu and we'll get very little for Rashford if anything so will have nowhere near enough to buy the 300m+ worth of players we are going to need to make Ruben's tactic work

 

[RedSky]

Well if anyone is going to know about that sort of behaviour in a manager thread, it would be you.

The irony of him saying that made me laugh.

 

[NLunited]

It's not cultlike it's being a realist. Tell me right now, who in this squad could score goals. Who are the players that can suddenly flick a switch and score 8-10? We have none. Our only genuine attacking danger is out for the season.

What we have right now is the failure of the past 5/6 transfer windows finally catching up with us. We simply have no quality, we deserve to be in this position.

Højlund had a scoring run last season, Garnacho can do it. It won‘t happen if the team doesn‘t improve overall.

I‘m not of the opinion the squad is worse than two years ago. Why? We finished 8th last season despite a horrible injury crisis.

We look good when we are motivated, poor when not. Let‘s start by fixing this. Getting Sancho and Rashford out was the right call, there may be others who need to go, or at least need a reality check.

Like Ten Hag, Amorim has to line up players that aren‘t in form and aren‘t performing. If he played more youth players, he would have my support.

 

[2 man midfield]

There are people who would have lost out on being billionaires if they hadn't bought that lottery ticket. But it doesn't make it a good plan to bet on winning the lottery.

The fundamental issue with "giving managers time" is that time is finite. A few misguided managerial appointments + time = a decade of failure.

So unless every manager hits the ground running immediately, just pay up their contract, bin them off and try again with someone else? How many times in a row do you try that before you give someone a decent crack at it? Because as you say, there’s been plenty of appointments and failures in the last 10 years, but I can’t agree that Moyes, Van Gaal, Jose Mourinho, Ragnick, Ole, Ten Hag and Amorim are all bad coaches. At some point we have to look at the thing that’s causing them to under perform.

 

[RedSky]

Højlund had a scoring run last season, Garnacho can do it. It won‘t happen if the team doesn‘t improve overall.

I‘m not of the opinion the squad is worse than two years ago. Why? We finished 8th last season despite a horrible injury crisis.

We look good when we are motivated, poor when not. Let‘s start by fixing this. Getting Sancho and Rashford out was the right call, there may be others who need to go, or at least need a reality check.

Like Ten Hag, Amorim has to line up players that aren‘t in form and aren‘t performing. If he played more youth players, he would have my support.

Ah yes, Garnacho the kid who's scored *checks history* 7 PL goals in his best season and has one of the lowest conversion rates in the league this season. Or Hojlund the man that has *checks history* 5 goals in his last 30 PL games. Neither of them are goal scorers.

The squads significantly worse than last season. We don't even have an injury crisis and yet our bench in the previous game were full of academy kids! We have 4 recognised forwards in the squad, 1 of which is out for the season. The other 3 are not goal threats at all. I think Zirkzee is semi ok, he's at least technical but he has zero attacking instincts. Hojlund is just utterly abysmal and Garnacho makes terrible choices and has no natural goal instincts. We don't even have goals from midfield this season either. We had McTominay chipping in last year.

We had 5 players last year on 7+ PL Goals, then Mainoo scored 3, Dalot/Maguire on 2 everyone else on 1/0. Of the 5 top goal scorers we sold McTominay (7) and have loaned out Rashford (7). Bruno and Hojlund scored 10 each, Garnacho 7. We've replaced Rashford's goals with Diallo. But we've not replaced McTominays and Hojlund is having a terrible 2nd season. There's just no goals in this squad. No goals = no points. Doesn't help that our squad got used to losing under Ten Hag, the mentality of this team once we go a goal down is fecking horrific.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

So unless every manager hits the ground running immediately, just pay up their contract, bin them off and try again with someone else? How many times in a row do you try that before you give someone a decent crack at it? Because as you say, there’s been plenty of appointments and failures in the last 10 years, but I can’t agree that Moyes, Van Gaal, Jose Mourinho, Ragnick, Ole, Ten Hag and Amorim are all bad coaches. At some point we have to look at the thing that’s causing them to under perform.

When a club hires a manager, they have a limited amount of information available to them. Based on that information, they guess that the manager could be a success at their club. After the manager is working for the club, they have even more information, which can now be used to make a more informed guess.

The argument that a manager needs to be given 3 years or whatever, amounts to saying that the information of "the manager's performance at the club" is largely useless compared to the initial information of "performance at another club" and "what they said at a job interview." I don't think that's true.

 

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When a club hires a manager, they have a limited amount of information available to them. Based on that information, they guess that the manager could be a success at their club. After the manager is working for the club, they have even more information, which can now be used to make a more informed guess.

The argument that a manager needs to be given 3 years or whatever, amounts to saying that the information of "the manager's performance at the club" is largely useless compared to the initial information of "performance at another club" and "what they said at a job interview." I don't think that's true.

I didn’t say he should be given 3 years, just a little bit longer than 3 months. And preferably give him some help.

 

[Gavinb33]

So unless every manager hits the ground running immediately, just pay up their contract, bin them off and try again with someone else? How many times in a row do you try that before you give someone a decent crack at it? Because as you say, there’s been plenty of appointments and failures in the last 10 years, but I can’t agree that Moyes, Van Gaal, Jose Mourinho, Ragnick, Ole, Ten Hag and Amorim are all bad coaches. At some point we have to look at the thing that’s causing them to under perform.

No one is saying hit the ground running, people are saying to believe he is worth keeping around he needs to show more than he has, there isn't one part of the team 3+ months in that you can say is playing well that's a concern, no one I saying win the league or be in top 5 or 6 just show something anything and I don't see it we play pretty much the same as we did under Ten Hag even the things he improved on are falling by the way aide

 

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I am pointing out the facts, the fact that you dont like it and think its stupid to expect Manutd not to be in a relegation fight?

There was no gun to his head about coming in the middle of the season, many managers come mid season. You also realise managers dont get sacked mid season if its all hunky dory at the club right? Usually its because the teams doing a madness.

You do realise that other teams score goals, create chances, pass well because they are well coached. We struggle because the way the manager sets us up.

Do you think Forrest and Bournemouth have elite level players? No, they just are coached better in this moment than we are. Regardless of what anyone says, no one can convince me a group of international players are worse than relegation level teams.

If a family member is struggling with drug abuse but continues to drug abuse... you wont say its fine you feel better with it so keep going would you>?

First of all, if a family member is struggling with drugs, they need both love and support. They will need people around them, both professional and family to help. It’s obviously not fine and move on. How on earth did you come to that conclusion?

Let’s move away from this, it’s the most childish thing I read on here for a while. Let’s stick to United.

I realise that Amorim made his own choice.

I also realised other teams are scoring goals.

I do think it’s possible to coach players.

Please try again.

 

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No one is saying hit the ground running, people are saying to believe he is worth keeping around he needs to show more than he has, there isn't one part of the team 3+ months in that you can say is playing well that's a concern, no one I saying win the league or be in top 5 or 6 just show something anything and I don't see it we play pretty much the same as we did under Ten Hag even the things he improved on are falling by the way aide

I agree with that, we’re playing shit and it’s concerning. We’re in relegation form. But at the same time, I struggle to blame the manager for it. He’s been here 5 minutes, and because we haven’t seen an immediate improvement after about 5 training sessions, you have people saying he should be moved on. It’s mad.