Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

So, manager who came here two months ago should get rid his system, style and football philosophy and adapt? Like Erik did?
Manager should focus on grinding results? Like Jose did?

I don't know why we sacked Jose then. Or Ten Hag when we are at it. By everything what is said in last 100 pages, sacking Erik was a mistake.
 
So, manager who came here two months ago should get rid his system, style and football philosophy and adapt? Like Erik did?
Manager should focus on grinding results? Like Jose did?

I don't know why we sacked Jose then. Or Ten Hag when we are at it. By everything what is said in last 100 pages, sacking Erik was a mistake.
But that was different, because ETH got rid of his system early on and played a system that suits the players more and failed even at that... oh wait.
 
So, manager who came here two months ago should get rid his system, style and football philosophy and adapt? Like Erik did?
Manager should focus on grinding results? Like Jose did?

I don't know why we sacked Jose then. Or Ten Hag when we are at it. By everything what is said in last 100 pages, sacking Erik was a mistake.
ETH being shit doesn't mean the even worse performing Amorim isn't
 
Am i roughly correct in thinking that given our current finances and so on, the following players will likely be part of a starting line up next season. Forget about exactly where each will play.

Onana,
2 from Yoro, De Ligt, Maguire, Martinez
Dorgu (presumably, since we just spent 30m on him with amorims approval)
Ugarte
Mainoo
Fernandes

As far as I can tell there's 7 starting line up spots filled. And that we would need a new fast defender, a RWB, a CAM, and a striker. Does that seem about right? In fact add Diallo, and perhaps the CAM becomes last priority of those 4.
Amad is there too. With probably Maz playing centre back.

With our finances i expect that we will buy striker and full back for sure and probably a midfielder giving the fact that Case and Eriksen will be sold/released.
 
Oh sorry, yeah you are right AWB, Scott are all Ballon D'or players.

Whilst the teams have been good, they have not been that amazing.. AWB has made mistakes this season and he wouldn't get into this United team. I can guarantee you that.

Oh yes.... if someone thinks AWB, Elanga and McTominay aren't good enough for us where we want to be... I must work jointly for Glazers and INEOS.




I just don’t understand why you can’t see that the problem is from the top and not just the players.

Your reluctance to blame the mismanagement of our club to the hierarchy is why I assumed you probably worked for them.
My opinion is still that the Glazers and Ineos will continue to destroy this club until they sell up.
The Foundations of this club are rotten and nothing will be achieved by continuously getting rid of Managers and players.
The only hope is for us to find a couple of gems from the youth team that can save us.
 
So, manager who came here two months ago should get rid his system, style and football philosophy and adapt? Like Erik did?
Manager should focus on grinding results? Like Jose did?

I don't know why we sacked Jose then. Or Ten Hag when we are at it. By everything what is said in last 100 pages, sacking Erik was a mistake.
He didn't though? He kept with the insane zero midfield tactical scheme right up until the end.
 
He didn't though? He kept with the insane zero midfield tactical scheme right up until the end.
The big difference with EtH, whether you agree or disagree on him sticking to his philosophies, is that EtH was directly responsible for about two-thirds (or more) of the current playing squad.

Therefore it's hard to make excuses for him. He couldn't play the Ajax way because the players didn't suit...so he essentially buys an entire new squad...and he still can't play his football. So is he a bad judge or a bad coach...or both?
 
ETH being shit doesn't mean the even worse performing Amorim isn't
We hired talented manager based on his style and football philosophy. And with money invested in him and the fact that we wanted him now, we see him as long term option.
New system, new league, hired during season, players not familiar with system....there is really lots of things against him.
Lets give him this half of season to do what he wants (but not get relegated, of course) and then judge him next season.

If he does Ten Hag and "adapts" it would be same shit all over again.
 
I genuinely worry that he has been forced to get rid of players he'd like to have kept for squad in Antony and Rashford because the club wanted to save pennies instead
 
I wonder just how much is riding on a trophy this season in order to go into next season with something to build upon. A 15th place finish and no trophy would be a disaster. Yes he came in halfway through a poor season and I remember saying that he does get something of a free pass because of these circumstances, but I don't think any of us expected things to get this bad.

I'm just praying for an easy Europa League route to the final and a performance like that against City last year in the final game.
 
The big difference with EtH, whether you agree or disagree on him sticking to his philosophies, is that EtH was directly responsible for about two-thirds (or more) of the current playing squad.

Therefore it's hard to make excuses for him. He couldn't play the Ajax way because the players didn't suit...so he essentially buys an entire new squad...and he still can't play his football. So is he a bad judge or a bad coach...or both?
He was aligned with the style of football that was dictated to him from higher up. He said the club wanted a more direct fast transitional side in one of his interviews, but that's neither here nor there.

I agree that the squad is a big result of his own decisions, but I put the blame on the DoF for such a shit system in the first place. There isn't a single player I can think of who was briefed to be the club option and our manager insisted one of the existing flops instead.

The Athletic said the alternate to Hojlund was Ramos or Kolo Muani - both of whom underperformed anyway.

Casemiro was only chosen by the club because the outlay was cheaper than Rice (again this was on the Athletic). And the club backed the coach on Mount and Antony too without putting alternatives of their own.

Amorim nor Ten Hag can run the show like that, and thankfully Amorim will be supported with a structure that can save him from himself, but yeah, doesn't matter who the coach is - if you suck transfers you're gone.
 
Not relevant why we sold him, but it was to enable the Ugarte deal. The point is we did not replace his goals, which on their own were the difference between us finishing 8th and about 12th. So one of the key reasons why the 24/25 squad is much weaker than 23/24.
Yeah it was a bit odd to not sign a source of goals.
 
Ruben Amorim has his own tried and tested system that brought him a lot of success.

He took the United job knowing that he would need a period of evaluation, to see who fits, who may fit and who simply does not fit or is not good enough.

We are currently within the period of evaluation, to think otherwise is incorrect and most likely, very impatient.

And therein lies the problem...

Ruben Amorim is being judged every single day by the instant click media. He should not be. The right time to judge him is later, when he has had a chance to put together his vision for the team and they have had a summer to learn, train and bed in new players.
 
I genuinely worry that he has been forced to get rid of players he'd like to have kept for squad in Antony and Rashford because the club wanted to save pennies instead
It will cost the club more to buy a replacement than it would to keep Antony in the squad. We’ll see regarding Rashford. No chance Amorim is going to refuse to play Rashford for months just because he’s a high earner. If anything we’d want to play him and hope he plays well to earn a move to a club that will pay us a bigger fee.
 
Amad is there too. With probably Maz playing centre back.

With our finances i expect that we will buy striker and full back for sure and probably a midfielder giving the fact that Case and Eriksen will be sold/released.

This is what I find quite concerning tbh. The bulk of next seasons starting line up is in place. If we're not signing prime cafu and prime Messi , I just can't see the basis for optimism that things improve. For what it's worth I think we have a lot of good players
 
The crux of the problem is Ten Hag. A good coach, no doubt, but he dropped his principles and his standard to suit these players. Perhaps he realised that getting them playing in an organized structured way was too much of an uphill battle.

He did it after 2 games in his first season when we couldn't play out of the back v Brighton and Brentford. Then he dropped his 2 x 10s setup with Bruno and Mount early in the 23/24 season as he saw that it was too easy for teams to beat that press and break on us.

I believe he fell back to allowing the players to play off the cuff football in the hppe that the talent gap between our players and theirs would win. The hope was always that Rashford, Bruno, Garnacho or even McT would score and win us a game.

When did we ever see any consistent, repeatable, patterns of play under Ten Hag, like we see time and again from teams like Arsenal, City and now even Brighton and Bournemouth? No one could ever really explain what "Ten Hag ball". And if they can, did we see it for a decent stretch of games. I feel the peak December and January 22/23 and we started looking poor again just before the League Cup final v Newcastle. A week later, we get thrashed v Liverpool.

The issue with playing like this is that in todays game, it wont get you very far on a consistent basis. Hence the 8th place finish and a huge levels on inconsistency - e.g. collapsing v Coventry in the FA cup Semi to beating City in the final.

In comes Amorim into a team that isnt used to playing in a defined system and trys to implement something new and technically demanding for a group of players that are not used to it, midway through the season.

I may be completely wrong here and the problem may lie elsewhere, but I see players who at times cant do the basics. They are not all that bad. Why is that? Lack of confidence? Is half of their mind on the new technical and tactical aspect of the game? Is it too much to implement this kind of change mid season to a team who may not be used to stringent coaching prior?

I don't want Amorim to drop his principles, but given that after 20 games or so, and now facing an injury crisis, we look this bad, it may be time to make some tweaks just to get us to the end of the season and hopefully find form before the resumption of the Europa League
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My major concern at the moment is that there doesn't seem to be any real progress in terms of the overall performances.

I understood at the start there would be issues due to the lack of training time, but even in the weeks where the games are spaced out we haven't looked as if we are getting anywhere.

I completely take on board that not only some of or even most of these players are unsuited to the system he wants to play, I also think they aren't suited to the Premier League as a whole. So he's going to need somewhere in the region of 5-6 players to even begin to get it to work and out of those 5-6 signings he realistically needs to hit on 4-5 of them otherwise it's not getting any better.

Which brings me round to my original concern, he's not improving what we have and he's unlikely to get the players he needs in the summer due to the financial constraints we are under, so how does it get better? Even if we managed to get 5-6 players in, with our recent track record we're very unlikely to be successful in 1-2 of them never mind 4-5. So potentially next season it's just going to be more of the same.

We can only have blind faith that he's going to get it right. Hard to keep having that with the defeats mounting up.
 
You'll have to explain that one, because it's sounds like you're saying "no point changing anything unless we're sure it'll fix the issue"...which makes it impossible to ever change anything. I know you'll say you're not saying that...so what are you saying?

For the record, analogy or no analogy, I'm saying whatever time Amorim has had is nowhere near enough to prove or disprove competency.

I would also add...you can assume at least some level of base competency from his time at Lisbon. Is it directly equivalent? No. Is it an impressive (or even relevant) body of work nonetheless? I'd say so for sure. Remember, this man built a team that went for 4th or 5th best in Portugal to unbeaten in 20-odd games before he left, culminating in a thrashing of Man City, leaving them near (or at?) the top of the Champions League table. He's not some total, absolute novice.

The point is that in your analogy you assume two things that I summarize as competency, you assume that the medical staff is making the proper diagnostic and that from that diagnostic it is following the proper procedure. Based on these assumptions you conclude that getting quickly worse after the procedure is normal and predictable that is fundamentally wrong, it's only normal and predictable if the diagnostic is correct, if the procedure is correct and if the procedure has been correctly performed.

Now that's not a great analogy when it comes to managing a Football team because medical protocols are a lot more tight and universally understood to a high standard. Football managers have a wide range of competency levels even among the ones that have had a bit of success that's why while it makes sense to give a high degree of benefit of the doubt to medical doctors, it's borderline irresponsible to do so with managers, the vast majority of currently successful managers won't be successful if they change club, the vast majority of them aren't competent enough to coach at a higher level than their current level and never will. And even the ones that have been good or are still good at the highest level sometimes mess up badly.

All that to say that managers should be judged on what they are doing right now, not what we imagine time will do in their stead, not on what we imagine may happen in an alternate reality where everything is different and we should never assume competency on any manager that isn't already at the very top of Football and has been for a while. Amorim may end up being good or even great but until he actually shows something with United, we shouldn't advocate vehemently for time, we shouldn't assume that he is competent(or incompetent) and we need to stop this BS with necessary pain.

For reasons that can't be explained I tend to support historically bad teams and I can tell you that this idea of necessary pain or time fixing anything is BS, the only times I have seen any of the teams I support good was when someone(a head coach) highly competent was introduced. Across sports those clubs/franchises are the Canadiens, MHR, Waikato Chiefs, Timberwolves and Vikings. In my life time these teams have largely been a source of misery for their fans but sometimes when by some miracle something good happens, it happens due someone competent appearing and the effect are always immediate. The idea that it takes time is BS, that's not how sports works, things change very quickly, good and bad. Do not take competency and talent for granted.


PS: Because I'm an outsider I believe that 4 months is a short period of time to assess Amorim but that's only because I'm an outsider, if I was a sporting director for United, he would be in my office explaining precisely why he has struggled and how he intend to improve it without purchases, the quality of his answer will determine how I feel about his future. There is no scenario where I blindly give him time and money, not after these 4 months.
 
I wonder just how much is riding on a trophy this season in order to go into next season with something to build upon. A 15th place finish and no trophy would be a disaster.

It'd be quite disturbing if the ownership is having expectations of a trophy or any sort of top 10 finish.
 
Amorim doesnt even have a squad. We called in a chef and have given him spoiled vegetables, fish that has been sitting on the counter for a week and no salt. Then we are complaining why is his dish so bad.

There is no attacking presence in this team and our midfield has 1 proper CM who is at his first year at the club and a 19 year old in his second season. I am not saying Amorim is the answer and the best manager but we have given him no time or a half decent squad. Ineos should be sacked if they weren't the owners. Absolute shambles at Manutd from the summer decision of keeping Erik.
 
The club has fecked itself both ways as we’ve built a poor squad and we’ve got a fanbase that wants instant gratification. No matter who they hire, this squad will let them down and it’ll be deemed unacceptable by the fans.

Personally I hope they ignore the fans, as they sold have done after the FA Cup final (where they proved to the world just how fickle and not worth listening to they were) and press on with their plans. Ignore the noise for once.
 
Amorim doesnt even have a squad. We called in a chef and have given him spoiled vegetables, fish that has been sitting on the counter for a week and no salt. Then we are complaining why is his dish so bad.

There is no attacking presence in this team and our midfield has 1 proper CM who is at his first year at the club and a 19 year old in his second season. I am not saying Amorim is the answer and the best manager but we have given him no time or a half decent squad. Ineos should be sacked if they weren't the owners. Absolute shambles at Manutd from the summer decision of keeping Erik.
Way too much logic in this post. Not enough whining and complaining.
 
The point is that in your analogy you assume two things that I summarize as competency, you assume that the medical staff is making the proper diagnostic and that from that diagnostic it is following the proper procedure. Based on these assumptions you conclude that getting quickly worse after the procedure is normal and predictable that is fundamentally wrong, it's only normal and predictable if the diagnostic is correct, if the procedure is correct and if the procedure has been correctly performed.

Now that's not a great analogy when it comes to managing a Football team because medical protocols are a lot more tight and universally understood to a high standard. Football managers have a wide range of competency levels even among the ones that have had a bit of success that's why while it makes sense to give a high degree of benefit of the doubt to medical doctors, it's borderline irresponsible to do so with managers, the vast majority of currently successful managers won't be successful if they change club, the vast majority of them aren't competent enough to coach at a higher level than their current level and never will. And even the ones that have been good or are still good at the highest level sometimes mess up badly.

All that to say that managers should be judged on what they are doing right now, not what we imagine time will do in their stead, not on what we imagine may happen in an alternate reality where everything is different and we should never assume competency on any manager that isn't already at the very top of Football and has been for a while. Amorim may end up being good or even great but until he actually shows something with United, we shouldn't advocate vehemently for time, we shouldn't assume that he is competent(or incompetent) and we need to stop this BS with necessary pain.

For reasons that can't be explained I tend to support historically bad teams and I can tell you that this idea of necessary pain or time fixing anything is BS, the only times I have seen any of the teams I support good was when someone(a head coach) highly competent was introduced. Across sports those clubs/franchises are the Canadiens, MHR, Waikato Chiefs, Timberwolves and Vikings. In my life time these teams have largely been a source of misery for their fans but sometimes when by some miracle something good happens, it happens due someone competent appearing and the effect are always immediate. The idea that it takes time is BS, that's not how sports works, things change very quickly, good and bad. Do not take competency and talent for granted.


PS: Because I'm an outsider I believe that 4 months is a short period of time to assess Amorim but that's only because I'm an outsider, if I was a sporting director for United, he would be in my office explaining precisely why he has struggled and how he intend to improve it without purchases, the quality of his answer will determine how I feel about his future. There is no scenario where I blindly give him time and money, not after these 4 months.
Yup, this necessary pain idea is just because Amorim can't say in public what he thinks about our poor players. After the summer he will be out of excuses unless we have a terrific transfer window.
 
The club has fecked itself both ways as we’ve built a poor squad and we’ve got a fanbase that wants instant gratification. No matter who they hire, this squad will let them down and it’ll be deemed unacceptable by the fans.

Personally I hope they ignore the fans, as they sold have done after the FA Cup final (where they proved to the world just how fickle and not worth listening to they were) and press on with their plans. Ignore the noise for once.
We should have hired a 4231 manager who could just stabilize the team in 6-8th spot and then take it from there. This idea of 3421 is really annoying. Don't complicate things in this difficult situation.
 
I can't believe that i am the one now who is lowering standards but this season already is EL or bust anyway.
Lets look at this half season as long(ish) pre-season for Amorim. He has "free" 6 months to implement his system and evaluate squad.

Next August though; i will be first who will start criticize him. At that time i except both performances and results.
 
I suppose that is someway encouraging. While every team misses chances, some of the misses we've had are scandalous, and we're struggling this much we cant afford to pass up so many sitters.
Yup tell that to Garnacho. It is good for him that he gets in goalscoring positions but the amount he misses is scandalous. Hojlund on the other hand doesn't get into goalscoring positions. Zirkzee in a AM position looks like he could be useful but he will need to have a quick wingback and a good striker near him.
 
Yup tell that to Garnacho. It is good for him that he gets in goalscoring positions but the amount he misses is scandalous. Hojlund on the other hand doesn't get into goalscoring positions. Zirkzee in a AM position looks like he could be useful but he will need to have a quick wingback and a good striker near him.

I think all 3 of those players have some promise and could play meaningful roles in a more succesful squad. But right now they lack the killer instinct of top players. Just imagine that garnacho chance fell to a striker like kane - it's a first team buried finish to the near or far post. The level of player out there is just far above what we have starting at the moment.
 
Sky being Sky as usual. Just showing the premier league obviously. Fits their agenda of feeding the frenzy...

Forget about the 100% record in the EL and knocking out Arsenal and Leicester in the FA cup.

Everything is a work in progress and it's hard work being a United fan right now. Performances aren't great. But as usual mainstream media are always as keen as possible to paint everything in the worst light possible.

If we get knocked out of the EL in the next round his 100% record against those teams will mean feck all really. Just means he's competent enough to beat farmer league teams which he had already proven with Sporting. But wasn't like those games were smooth sailing, struggled in pretty much all of them.

Leicester win in the FA Cup, wouldn't write anything about that. We needed an offside goal late to win
Arsenal, eh I chalk that one up to them having some type of FA Cup curse. 7 out of the last 8 years they've been knocked out in the 3rd or 4th round

Also what about his record in the league cup? I know it was 1 match but we were down 3 goals inside 55 minutes.

Amorim hasn't done well playing English teams he's had 17 matches against PL teams and his record is 6W-2D-9L

and of the 6 Ws

-Needed a late offside goal
-Went to penalties
-World Class deflected goal and a World Class header clearance in a 1-0 win
-Needed Amad to bail him out in the last 12 minutes down 0-1 against the worst team in the league
-Amad wins a penalty in the 86th minute, scored the winner in the 90th
-Comfortable win vs Everton

Legitimately 1 comfortable win in 17 against PL teams. Worrying.
 
We should have hired a 4231 manager who could just stabilize the team in 6-8th spot and then take it from there. This idea of 3421 is really annoying. Don't complicate things in this difficult situation.

That’s literally what we were under Eth.
 
Cause the subs were all very young and we were pushing for an equaliser.
All very young is no excuse. We have very underwhelming starters and none of them is of undisputed quality. Casemiro should have been subbed at half time for whoever was supposed to be a CM option. Nobody would have held that against Amorim.
 
That’s literally what we were under Eth.
No we weren't? Under ETH we were headed for the lower half (12th-15th). It's a miracle we somehow finished 8th last season as all the underlying performance metrics had us in the bottom five.
 
However shite we think the players are, the fact is that most of them are internationals and should be able to adjust to a different system. Maybe not perfectly but at least looking competent. If they're not after 3 months it suggests that the coaching isn't good enough. I didn't expect miracles by this point but it's concerning that basically nobody is showing signs of improvement.

And whether we like it or not, realistically he's going to have to work with the bulk of this squad next season as well. He has to start getting more out of them in the remainder of this season otherwise it just seems pointless giving him any more time.
 
I think United can get back into the top 6 with a new striker and a new manager.

This is not a bad Premier League squad. Højlund is impossible to play with and really drags the team down. Same story with Zirkzee. If your strikers are that poor, you won’t win football matches.

After the summer, with just one good signing, the squad could look like this. This is not a title-winning team, but it should not be sitting in 13th place. With a good manager, this squad should at least make the top 6.

Starting XI:

——-—————Onana–––––––

Dalot - Maguire - de Ligt - Shaw

–––––Ugarte - Mainoo————

––Diallo - Fernandes - Garnacho––

———Osimhen/Gyökeres———



Possible rotations depending on form and injuries:

• Mount for Mainoo

• Dorgu for Shaw

• Rashford for Garnacho

• Sancho for Diallo/Fernandes

• Mazraoui for Dalot

• Martinez for de Ligt

• Yoro for Maguire

• Antony for Diallo

• Toby for Ugarte

• Højlund on the bench

• Zirkzee on the bench

• Chido as backup striker


Manager options:

Iraola, Nuno, Southgate, or Thomas Frank. (Or Bo Henriksen if we actually want to challenge for the title! )
 
Looking at it objectively, the situation he's got himself and the club into in is pretty dire.

If he loses his next two games against Everton (a) and Ipswich (h), then he's going into a match with Arsenal needing a win and under intense pressure to stave off relegation.

For me the next three games are critical to both his and the club's future. He needs at least a draw at Goodison and a win against Ipswich. If he cannot win against Ipswich Town at home he has to go.

I'll be honest, I'm totally unconvinced by him. He gives the impression of not really being up for the fight. ETH, despite his obvious failings, seemed to want to be there and would deflect and divert attention away from his failings to buy more time; he also had players like Hojlund, Mainoo, and Garnacho who seemed to want to fight for him. RA just seems downtrodden and lost.
 
The club has fecked itself both ways as we’ve built a poor squad and we’ve got a fanbase that wants instant gratification. No matter who they hire, this squad will let them down and it’ll be deemed unacceptable by the fans.

Personally I hope they ignore the fans, as they sold have done after the FA Cup final (where they proved to the world just how fickle and not worth listening to they were) and press on with their plans. Ignore the noise for once.

You started off quite well by correctly observing that the club has effed itself by building a poor squad, but then you fell apart making the false accusation that the fanbase wants instant gratifaction.

The fanbase has waited patiently for over a decade now for a PL trophy and whatever the reasons may be, we're going in the wrong direction, now being dragged into a relegation dogfight rather than a PL trophy dogfight. We'll escape relegation, but the mere fact that we have to assure ourselves that we will escape relegation is indicative of where the club is as well as the patience, not impatience, of the fans.

But I think you mean more than, which is also false. No one in the fanbase expected Amorim to make us a PL title contender this season. What we did expect was marginal, not even dramatic, improvement. None of us expected further deterioration.

But further deterioration is here but I don't know a single fan in the base who demands that Amorim be sacked now. Are we frustrated? Of course we are, and I expect that you are as well. But we're all in this together and each of us agrees that the problem is the management team above Amorim and the players below Amorim. There's not much we can do about the clowns who run United, and that includes INEOS, but when the next window opens I do expect that we will move players out and in who will improve the squad and give us a shot of at least breaking the top ten next season.
 
Looking at it objectively, the situation he's got himself and the club into in is pretty dire.

If he loses his next two games against Everton (a) and Ipswich (h), then he's going into a match with Arsenal needing a win and under intense pressure to stave off relegation.

For me the next three games are critical to both his and the club's future.

I'll be honest, I'm totally unconvinced by him. He gives the impression of not really being up for the fight. ETH, despite his obvious failings, seemed to want to be there and would deflect and divert attention away from his failings to buy more time; he also had players like Hojlund, Mainoo, and Garnacho who seemed to want to fight for him. RA just seems downtrodden and lost.
Good grief. Lets revisit your view of Amorim next year. I think you will eat you humble pie. Ragnick saw it. ETH saw it but was to afraid to say it or do anything about it. Amorim sees it and is well up to do something about it. Give the man some time. I repeat we do not play so poor as the results are showing. It is fine margins most of the time, individual errors, bit of luck costing us right now. Give the manager time. It you stood by this shitshow of a squad for 5-10 years at least have the patience to give manager a benefit of the doubt and allow him 1-2 years to try to get the players to implement his style.
 
Good grief. Lets revisit your view of Amorim next year. I think you will eat you humble pie. Ragnick saw it. ETH saw it but was to afraid to say it or do anything about it. Amorim sees it and is well up to do something about it. Give the man some time. I repeat we do not play so poor as the results are showing. It is fine margins most of the time, individual errors, bit of luck costing us right now. Give the manager time. It you stood by this shitshow of a squad for 5-10 years at least have the patience to give manager a benefit of the doubt and allow him 1-2 years to try to get the players to implement his style.
Yes, we're often worse