Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Ah yeah, what we really fecking need is do-over #373 of the Ole in/out debate.
 
Lentwood said:
You disagree with everything that everybody has written unless it's relentless negativity.

I say this / mean this sincerely and in the nicest possible way...why don't you just take a break from watching until the start of next season?

I only really watch our games now out of boredom / morbid curiosity. I'd personally be surprised if we won more than three PL matches between now and the end of the season. I have made my peace with that. I accept its our penance, our punishment for a decade (or more) of gross mismanagement.

We're not losing games because Amorim didn't bring a 17yo early enough or because he has the WBs on the wrong sides or whatever....we're losing games because we have signed completely the wrong players for ten years and then provided absolutely no stability for those players.

This is "rip the band-aid" off stuff. We know it hurts. We don't need to keep hearing about it...or how we made this mistake or that mistake in ripping it off...or how we should have never ripped it off in the first place etc...
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Even Amorim himself wouldn't absolve himself of as much responsibility as you are doing. When Amorim was hired he was brought in because it was thought he would perform better with the current squad than the previous manager this season, not that we would get top 4 but that as a minimum we would improve. In a season where we are making redundancies, cutting costs left right and centre and offering up our most talented academy products, there is no realm of reality where INEOS said to Amorim to write off this season and that they are not looking for an improvement in performance over the last manager.

There will have been a clear expectation on Amorm. The most simple being that there is no expectation to get top 4/6 but at a minimum, we see an improvement over the last manager. Which is a fair bar to measure him at seeing as they both had the same squad to work with.

He as a manager is performing well under that already readjusted low bar. To not look at that and question it is burying your head in the sand in hope that things will turn around. Amorim is under as much scrutiny as the players are. What a lot of fans are looking for are little signs here and there that the tactics will work in the league and Amorim can get a performance out of the players. So far he is showing none of that.
 
Danny said:
Because he obviously doesn't feel that they are ready yet for first team football at Manchester United. Hardly any of them have loaned experience either yet. It would be unfair to expose them to the pressure that would come from it.

Usually you can introduce youth into more experienced teams with actual leaders. He can't do that here with this group. We already have the likes of Yoro, Dorgu, Garnacho, Hojlund and Zirkzee who are relatively young and inexperienced as it is.
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Can’t disagree with anything here. If you look at Spurs young players (Tel, Gray, Bergvall) they have all played men’s football elsewhere, even if they are the same age as players on our bench. I do feel yesterday was somewhat of a free hit for Amorim however, he could have put in 3/4 of them and there would be no expectation nor disappointment with performance.
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
The club is fecked from top to bottom and it seems clear to me that the only way out of this is to accept it is going to get worse before it gets better. We have to put our faith in a young manager that has a clear plan to play progressive football, because what is the alternative? It's going to take a couple of years of minimal net spend and smart player acquisitions to get back to a healthy financial position. We need to promote from the U18s and U21s, slowly replace the overpaid, underperforming players that don't have either the athleticism or attitude to play for the club, and we're not going to have the budget to replace them with ready-made world-class players....especially if we're not in the CL. Which manager at the absolute prime of his career is going to want to take that job on? This is a completely different job to that of any manager that we've appointed post-Fergie. And a job that - in career terms if not financial terms - is heavily stacked towards risk with little chance of reward in the near future.

Against that backdrop it is borderline insane to expect to see significant improvement straight away - this is the time to genuinely reset and start again. The path that we have been on since the Woodward years is completely unsustainable and has left us with no option but to cut as much of the rot out as possible and rebuild from the bottom up. This is not a scenario where you bring in a manager to 'get the best out of the squad we already have' because large parts of the squad have proven themselves to be unfit for purpose (some of them over several managers and years) - you cannot fix a player that doesn't have the athleticism required for the modern game, or lacks the mental fortitude to play for a club the size of United.

Forget all the noise about the system/formation, that is a complete red herring and is an easy thing for armchair experts to pinpoint as the problem - as if playing a back a back 4 would magically make everything click into place. This is more about having a manager in place who understands the enormity of the task, and who is given the remit, support and patience to knock things down and build back stronger. Stronger physically, with players that have the pace, power and technique needed, stronger mentally, with players who will lead by example, and stronger culturally, with discipline and rigour and pride in playing for the shirt - things that have clearly been allowed to deteriorate since the days of Sir Alex.

I can't say for certain whether Amorim is the right man to do this, but I can say that he is the right profile of manager for us in the here and now: young, hungry, intelligent, brave enough to take decisions for the long-term good that hurt in the short term, and who has built a successful team from the ground up before. Given that appointing a 'sticking plaster' type manager would have been ignoring the massive underlying problems that the club has, and given that this job is unlikely to be massively attractive to the absolute top tier of experienced, proven, 'guaranteed success' types of manager then I don't know who else we could go for that would be a much better bet than Amorim at this stage. I get that it's scary - it's scary to think of United being on the edge of a relegation battle, it's scary to realise that half our squad isn't up to scratch and there is no money to spend, it's scary to think that for a couple of seasons we may have to accept being a team that is mired in the lower half of the table, whilst young players and new signings (bought with the proceeds of outgoing player sales) are bedding in and an entirely new team and system is built - but this is the way it has to be. More than ever this is a time for backing the manager - he has taken on the biggest task of any manager since Fergie in 1986 and deserves time, but also what is the alternative? Sack him, get ourselves even deeper into the shit by having to pay him millions compensation, and appoint some other poor guy who is expected to work magic on a shoestring? Have to pay another load of compensation to another team for taking their manager? And all the time having no guarantees that the new guy will be any better than the last.

Personally, as long as we stay up I genuinely don't care where we finish in the league this season. Obviously we need to put everything into winning the EL, because that would bring some real optimism to the project moving into next season, and of course being in the CL will help with player acquisitions (not to mention financially). I'm absolutely not someone who backs the manager at all costs, but Amorim is 3 months into an incredibly tough job, how about we do our job as supporters and give him (and the players to be fair) some support? We can either add to the negativity and noise around the club, which will have no tangible benefit, or approach the situation with some understanding of the incredibly challenging circumstances and offer unequivocal support (either in the ground or on social media), at least between now and the end of the season - and try and help create an environment which gives the players and manager the best chance of success?
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Well said.The club is at a critical point,I think the higher ups know this and Amorim has their full backing to completely reset everything.

Will it work?we can't possibly know,but one things for sure we cannot continue on the same path of the last decade.
 
Lentwood said:
So what though? You're confusing cause and effect.

The open heart surgery analogy works perfectly in this exact scenario.

Lets say a sickly patient is overweight and has abused their body with drugs and alcohol. They have taken steps to 'get clean' and are on the heart transplant list. They are conscious, walking, talking, reading etc...and occasionally appear fine...but make no mistake, they're gravely ill.

They finally get the surgery they need but the immediate result is to weaken them even further and confine them to bed initially, with a long period of rehabilitation required ahead and continued work to improve their diet, fitness, lifestyle etc...

You don't say at that point "we should never have done that, now look what happened"- its an accepted and entirely predictable consequence. Its a necessary part of the process. Weed out the disease to come back stronger.

United are 15th because we have made monumentally horrendous choices for over a decade. At some point, we required this dramatic intervention or we would 'die'...or in football terms...we were on course to blow all of our money, fall completely out of favour with sponsors and lose relevance entirely.

You don't then go about blaming the medical staff, doctors etc...who are trying to fix the problem.

We're not 15th because of minor tactical issues or the managers 'styles or his choice of subs or whatever....so blaming the person / people trying to heal us at this point is pointless.

Imagine the "doctor" tells you it will take 18-24 months to recover...and even then, you might not quite be the same...what do you do when you "still" feel weak and sickly after 12 weeks? Give up? Go back to the burgers, booze and drugs?
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You can absolutely blame the medical staff, doctors if they either didn't diagnose the patient properly or didn't follow the appropriate procedure. As an example that I have witnessed twice, if you have lung cancer and the doctors treat you for pneumonia then you are in more trouble with each passing weeks.

The analogy doesn't actually address the issue which is whether the decision makers including the manager are competent.
 
renatosanches85 said:
Can’t disagree with anything here. If you look at Spurs young players (Tel, Gray, Bergvall) they have all played men’s football elsewhere, even if they are the same age as players on our bench. I do feel yesterday was somewhat of a free hit for Amorim however, he could have put in 3/4 of them and there would be no expectation nor disappointment with performance.
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You think a hammering at the hand of Spurs would've given them a lot of confidence and left us feeling warm that at least the kids got a chance to play?

I don't know what's going on with the sudden demand for extreme inexperience on the pitch. Maybe people just think we have the class of '92 on the bench.
 
JPRouve said:
I think that I see. I believe that I told you that one of the key thing about our previous teams especially under Ole was the ability of the team to not give up which has led to a lot of comebacks. It's not the same set of players and I have no reason to believe that they are in any way resilient.
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I think the conversation was more around mentality vs technical level nearing the end of last season. Not to worry on that anyway. If we are to get anywhere as a team we need both, along with other qualities.

On the quality of our current squad - I don't think I would swap any club's squad in the top 12 or 13 for ours anyway.
 
Shark said:
It's not nonsense though. Unless you disagree that sacking your manager mid season, in order to bring in somebody else has nothing to do with improving results. Even Ruben himself will tell you that, yet portions of our fan base attempt to normalize the current situation and that we've planned to write off the season.
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No it's nonsense to use another manager at another club getting a handful of results and using it to say something negative about a United manager.

We see it happen time and again, then the new manager bounce wears off and that same manager who was praised is criticised and sacked soon after.

You'd think people would have learned by now. Such short term thinking.
 
I don’t know where we go from here.

The manager is too rigid with his system and to say there is no plan B is wild. The best managers will adapt their tactics for certain games rather than playing their system regardless. It seems like he’s already starting to lose the dressing room due to the worst run of games from any manager in living memory, including Ralf.

People say it’s the players but they’re not the same players that did it with Mourinho and Ole so to keep blaming them seems daft. I do think our squad is the worst I’ve ever seen, mind but it foes feel like they’re decent before they get here and then decent after they leave.

The ownership has (rightly) been criticised previously and I was so excited to have a breath of fresh air with Radcliffe but he’s come in like a bull in a china shop and the morale at the whole club seems lower than ever. He wanted to put the Manchester back in United but wants us to pay London prices for tickets and cuts things like the £40k we gave to charity to look after previous players which is a drop in the ocean. Some things shouldn’t be touched.

So we currently have a stubborn manager, awful players that seem to do better the second they’re not playing for us and a ruthless owner with pipe line dreams of a new stadium and a magic money tree.

The whole club is a rotten soap opera that is the media’s wet dream. We’re just missing a suspicious murder and we’re a novella.

It’s all shit.

Anyway, see you next Wednesday to do it all again…
 
spiriticon said:
Yes, I've seen this posted too and it is particularly worrying for me because if the system is so rigid and the youth teams are not training on it since day one, then how in the hell are we supposed to integrate them into the first team in the future?

Everyone at all levels needs to be playing the same style so the transition to the first team isn't going to be a system shock.
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This was a big reason why Amorim was scratched off Liverpool's shortlist as manager, they knew he was strict on 3-4-3 and they didn't want to go to that because that's not what they played under Klopp and it would have meant they'd have to switch their youth teams to playing 3-4-3.
 
Cassidy said:
It isn’t really since 2 of the “defenders” play a more attacking role this system
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They’re still defenders. And as such are considerably less likely to score or assist than an attacker. Dalot and Mazraoui have 1 goal and four assists between them.
 
erikcred said:
You think a hammering at the hand of Spurs would've given them a lot of confidence and left us feeling warm that at least the kids got a chance to play?

I don't know what's going on with the sudden demand for extreme inexperience on the pitch. Maybe people just think we have the class of '92 on the bench.
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Agree.

Even the class of '92 weren't this young. Or most of them.

I swear some think they were all 17 and playing league games.

Beckham and Scholes were practically 20 when they got their league debuts. O'Shea and Fletcher roughly the same.

Chido Obi only turned 17 end of November.
 
erikcred said:
You think a hammering at the hand of Spurs would've given them a lot of confidence and left us feeling warm that at least the kids got a chance to play?

I don't know what's going on with the sudden demand for extreme inexperience on the pitch. Maybe people just think we have the class of '92 on the bench.
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You obviously didn’t read my full post. Yesterday, and I was specifically talking about yesterday in isolation, there were no other options on the bench (literally) when players like Casemiro were clearly fatigued and out of their depth. Giving a youth player the last 5-10 minutes wouldn’t have resulted in a hammering, especially against such an insipid Spurs team.
 
U-N-I-T-E-D said:
I don’t know where we go from here.

The manager is too rigid with his system and to say there is no plan B is wild. The best managers will adapt their tactics for certain games rather than playing their system regardless. It seems like he’s already starting to lose the dressing room due to the worst run of games from any manager in living memory, including Ralf.

People say it’s the players but they’re not the same players that did it with Mourinho and Ole so to keep blaming them seems daft. I do think our squad is the worst I’ve ever seen, mind but it foes feel like they’re decent before they get here and then decent after they leave.

The ownership has (rightly) been criticised previously and I was so excited to have a breath of fresh air with Radcliffe but he’s come in like a bull in a china shop and the morale at the whole club seems lower than ever. He wanted to put the Manchester back in United but wants us to pay London prices for tickets and cuts things like the £40k we gave to charity to look after previous players which is a drop in the ocean. Some things shouldn’t be touched.

So we currently have a stubborn manager, awful players that seem to do better the second they’re not playing for us and a ruthless owner with pipe line dreams of a new stadium and a magic money tree.

The whole club is a rotten soap opera that is the media’s wet dream. We’re just missing a suspicious murder and we’re a novella.

It’s all shit.

Anyway, see you next Wednesday to do it all again…
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Just try and keep in mind that Anthony was good in his first few games for us too, and he's not suddenly going to find a right foot. Rashford is playing for a move to Barca in the summer, and Sancho has reverted to type at Chelsea now. Scott is doing well at Napoli, but to be fair to him he had been one of our better players the season before anyway so he's just extending his form.
 
I'll keep posting this.

Since Ragnick said we need open heart surgery, our squad got 10 times worse.
Our current squad is 10 times worse than the squad that needed complete reset.

Is this Amorim's fault or Glazers/Ineos incompetence? Answer yourself that.
 
JustinC00 said:
This was a big reason why Amorim was scratched off Liverpool's shortlist as manager, they knew he was strict on 3-4-3 and they didn't want to go to that because that's not what they played under Klopp and it would have meant they'd have to switch their youth teams to playing 3-4-3.
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Yes, but they had a very successful system already in place. We barely had a recognisable system, let alone a successful one.
 
Marwood said:
Agree.

Even the class of '92 weren't this young. Or most of them.

I swear some think they were all 17 and playing league games.

Beckham and Scholes were practically 20 when they got their league debuts. O'Shea and Fletcher roughly the same.

Chido Obi only turned 17 end of November.
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We are buying a 17 year old (turns 18 in April) for big money this summer if this manager stays.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
8 defeats from 14 games is a disgrace for a club like ours, what any other big club stick with a manager with a run of results like this?

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Big club?
I wonder why Everton and West Ham changed managers recently, they are hardly big clubs and we are league neighbours.
I believe we stopped being a big club when we decided to accept the mediocrity from last season, finishing 8th and keeping the manager.
 
Toshey said:
I'll keep posting this.

Since Ragnick said we need open heart surgery, our squad got 10 times worse.
Our current squad is 10 times worse than the squad that needed complete reset.

Is this Amorim's fault or Glazers/Ineos incompetence? Answer yourself that.
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The obvious answer is Glazers/Ineos but it should be said that it doesn't answer the question that people actually have which is whether Amorim is himself competent. And what is likely when the people that appointed him have historically been incompetent?
 
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Ole's screen said:
Who cares. Let’s be a solidly top 4 team before we start crying about trophies. Would it really have changed anything if de Gea saves one penalty in the final? That sort of stuff is not up to the manager.

That was a classic example of perfect being the enemy of good. And now we’re all suffering for it.
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They both were sacked after poor starts to their 3rd season. At that point one had 2 trophies won, the other had none. You could probably make the case both shoulda been sacked or both shoulda been given more time. However, doesn't change the fact Ten Hag was a more successful manager.
 
erikcred said:
You think a hammering at the hand of Spurs would've given them a lot of confidence and left us feeling warm that at least the kids got a chance to play?

I don't know what's going on with the sudden demand for extreme inexperience on the pitch. Maybe people just think we have the class of '92 on the bench.
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I believe its called desperation
 
Lentwood said:
So what though? You're confusing cause and effect.

The open heart surgery analogy works perfectly in this exact scenario.

Lets say a sickly patient is overweight and has abused their body with drugs and alcohol. They have taken steps to 'get clean' and are on the heart transplant list. They are conscious, walking, talking, reading etc...and occasionally appear fine...but make no mistake, they're gravely ill.

They finally get the surgery they need but the immediate result is to weaken them even further and confine them to bed initially, with a long period of rehabilitation required ahead and continued work to improve their diet, fitness, lifestyle etc...

You don't say at that point "we should never have done that, now look what happened"- its an accepted and entirely predictable consequence. Its a necessary part of the process. Weed out the disease to come back stronger.

United are 15th because we have made monumentally horrendous choices for over a decade. At some point, we required this dramatic intervention or we would 'die'...or in football terms...we were on course to blow all of our money, fall completely out of favour with sponsors and lose relevance entirely.

You don't then go about blaming the medical staff, doctors etc...who are trying to fix the problem.

We're not 15th because of minor tactical issues or the managers 'styles or his choice of subs or whatever....so blaming the person / people trying to heal us at this point is pointless.

Imagine the "doctor" tells you it will take 18-24 months to recover...and even then, you might not quite be the same...what do you do when you "still" feel weak and sickly after 12 weeks? Give up? Go back to the burgers, booze and drugs?
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I want my burger right fecking now!!!
 
JPRouve said:
The obvious answer is Glazers/Ineos but it should be said that it answer the question that people actually have which is whether Amorim is himself competent. And what is likely when the people that appointed him have historically been incompetent?
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The people that appointed him have been here 5 minutes. Where are we drawing historic incompetence conclusions from?

Amorim may not be competent but only time will answer that question. His track record before coming to United suggests he is, the track record of managers who have been at United suggests the problems at the club extend far beyond the competence of the head coach.

We probably need time to evaluate this new football structure + new head coaching partnership. It’s not a very good start though granted.
 
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8 defeats from 14 games is a disgrace for a club like ours, what any other big club stick with a manager with a run of results like this?

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Sky being Sky as usual. Just showing the premier league obviously. Fits their agenda of feeding the frenzy...

Forget about the 100% record in the EL and knocking out Arsenal and Leicester in the FA cup.

Everything is a work in progress and it's hard work being a United fan right now. Performances aren't great. But as usual mainstream media are always as keen as possible to paint everything in the worst light possible.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
As in Ole’s stint at Cardiff? I guess it was PL but there’s nothing wrong with coaches showing skills in lesser leagues (and both ETH and Amorim did stuff with a non dominant team, albeit ETH then moved the Ajax and Sporting were hardly some relegation fodder but still).

The formation thing I think the reality is a good coach gets it to work or adapts. I don’t think he survives if we lose to Everton and Ipswich.
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Yeah, of the three Ole had the most experience in a top league. Ten Hag and Amorim were both arguably positive appointments, but sometimes it doesn’t work out. I don’t think a manager to glued to a system that doesn’t work will eventually turn it around; we’ve seen that with Erik already. I think they’re both good managers and in other situations could succeed in England, but not at United as it stands.
 
Redstain said:
@Adnan put out a good nuanced post which I think has been overlooked as an objective by the masses. The midfield is the biggest issue in this system.
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This is it.

A 2 man midfield will NEVER BE a success in modern EPL. Even in prime Ferguson 2008 period. Games against Chelsea we used to get overrun because of playing 2 midfielders. Chelsea had Makelele, Ballack, Lampard.

80% of the game is played in the middle of the park. Football is a low scoring game. It has 2-3 goals in 90 minutes. The rest of the minutes is chasing things in the middle of the park.

ETH had players running forward, vacating midfield space. We used to concede chances after chnaces.
Amorim has packed our defence with 7 defensive players ( Gk, 5 defenders, DM) now we can't create chnaces.
The balance is the point we need in this.

Only Man United needs a reset, rebuilding, 3 year project, 11 new players. Just get a good coach and see how things will transform.

ETH finished 3rd with largely this squad. He decided not to change midfield set-up. I called it immediately, he wont survive. He left.
Now we have Amorim who values defence than attack. He let Rashford,Antony and was selling Garnacho.

There is no guarantee this reset will work. There is no guarantee Amorim will turn it around. There is no guarantee back 3 setup will achieve sustainable success.

People should be very very wary about how things are. Ole 2nd and ETH 3rd finishes now look like promised land. We will spend millions just to be a 4th place team now.

McFred midfield looks like what we should sign during the summer.
Pogba, Matic, are players who we would pay 100m fee for now.
Ramus is poors man Lukaku ( first touch)
 
It already doesn't matter if we stay in the EPL or get relegated. Most of these players needs to go, there is no pride wearing the shirt. We get beaten home and away, we really look like the bottom 3 teams. Let's see if Amorim can fix this mess. I will personally give him 2 full seasons and if we finish mid table then he has to go.
 
hellhunter said:
And the players. If they haven't already, they'll lose faith in him and his system at some point
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The system can only be blamed so many times before it just becomes a very convenient excuse. Is it the system's fault that Onana continuously palms shots back into the danger zone? Is it the system's fault that De Ligt and Maguire are very slow to react, exactly like what happened with the goal yesterday? Is it the system's fault that Garnacho's finishing rate is abysmal? Is the the system's fault that Hojlund has a very poor first touch and has poor movement, and can't buy a goal at the moment? Is it the system's fault that Bruno keeps playing chaotic passes? Is it the system's fault that our only other striking option is Zirkzee, who seemingly works better in a non-striking capacity? Is it the system's fault that Onana keeps punting it long and thus giving away possession? Is it the system's fault that Casemiro is the oldest 32-year-old that I have ever seen and plays like he is in his mid-40s? Is it the system's fault that Antony, Rashford, Sancho all put in poor shifts when we needed them most and thus had to be loaned out? Is it the system's fault that we have no actual squad depth, particularly in an attacking sense, thus having to resort to putting our academy hopefuls onto the bench? Is it the system's fault we have splunged a stupid amount of money on the likes of Mount, who is never fit?

The players need to have faith in themselves and, importantly, they all have to be doing their own individual jobs right first before they start pointing the fingers elsewhere. They need to take accountability for themselves. Saying in interviews that we need to do better is a pointless exercise. Points are won on the pitch, not in Instagram comments or press conferences with the BBC.
 
Cassidy said:
The people that appointed him have been here 5 minutes. Where are we drawing historic incompetence conclusions from?

Amorim may not be competent but only time will answer that question. His track record before coming to United suggests he is, the track record of managers who have been at United suggests the problems at the club extend far beyond the competence of the head coach.

We probably need time to evaluate this.
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The poster bunched Glazers and INEOS. And I literally said that the obvious answer is Glazers/INEOS.
 
JustinC00 said:
This was a big reason why Amorim was scratched off Liverpool's shortlist as manager, they knew he was strict on 3-4-3 and they didn't want to go to that because that's not what they played under Klopp and it would have meant they'd have to switch their youth teams to playing 3-4-3.
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You are comparing a manager taking over Liverpool and that squad vs United mid season struggling in mid table with a far worse squad and dressing room issues?
 
JPRouve said:
The poster bunched Glazers and INEOS. And I literally said that the obvious answer is Glazers/INEOS.
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You went on to say alot more than that. Including linking Amorims competence to those that appointing him having historic levels of incompetence which is clearly what my post addressed.

Hence “The people that appointed him have been here 5 minutes”
 
Superunknown said:
The system can only be blamed so many times before it just becomes a very convenient excuse. Is it the system's fault that Onana continuously palms shots back into the danger zone? Is it the system's fault that De Ligt and Maguire are very slow to react, exactly like what happened with the goal yesterday? Is it the system's fault that Garnacho's finishing rate is abysmal? Is the the system's fault that Hojlund has a very poor first touch and has poor movement, and can't buy a goal at the moment? Is it the system's fault that Bruno keeps playing chaotic passes? Is it the system's fault that our only other striking option is Zirkzee, who seemingly works better in a non-striking capacity? Is it the system's fault that Onana keeps punting it long and thus giving away possession? Is it the system's fault that Casemiro is the oldest 32-year-old that I have ever seen and plays like he is in his mid-40s? Is it the system's fault that Antony, Rashford, Sancho all put in poor shifts when we needed them most and thus had to be loaned out? Is it the system's fault that we have no actual squad depth, particularly in an attacking sense, thus having to resort to putting our academy hopefuls onto the bench? Is it the system's fault we have splunged a stupid amount of money on the likes of Mount, who is never fit?

The players need to have faith in themselves and, importantly, they all have to be doing their own individual jobs right first before they start pointing the fingers elsewhere. They need to take accountability for themselves. Saying in interviews that we need to do better is a pointless exercise. Points are won on the pitch, not in Instagram comments or press conferences with the BBC.
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Yes it is! This would've never happened in an 4-3-3. Don't you see? It's like FIFA 12 ultimate team, where players have formations attributed to them in their cards. The players abilities improves 10x immediately if they play 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 just watch them the past 2 seasons... oh wait.
 
bazzas said:
Hang in there

Going to be a tough few years….like us though there is a loyal fanbase and actually I have found your fans relatively patient compared to others
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Thanks. It’s part of being a loyal fan. It’s not going to be fun at all times, even long times. I do respect fans who stay behind teams that see little to no success year after year. It’s more than silverware and winning every match for them and some of that mentality should be learned.
 
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