Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Not really unless you are only talking about United fans and even then you are talking about a subset of fans that only followed United. I had these conversation on this forum 10 years ago and while there was a number of people who strongly believed in the omnipotent manager model, plenty of people disagreed for the simple reason that no successful club outside of United and to a lesser extent Arsenal followed that model. And in the case of United that model had been largely unsuccessful outside of two all time great managers in Sir Alex Ferguson and Sir Matt Busby, everyone else miserably failed.
And again to the point that you actually made, people laughed at the committe because it led to big spendings of utter dross, Liverpool were somehow saved by the presence of Suarez and Gerrard both players created a relatively high floor.
He’s averaging 1 point a game which is 38 points in a season and therefore relegation, he will also try to sell garnacho & Kobe this summer to fund new players for his system, and when that doesn’t work out and get rid, we’ll be without our 2 best young talents. Clownshow.
Chelsea were nowhere near one of the best teams in Europe in 2012, their Mourinho era team was well and truly on the way out and they'd failed after trying to go down the longer term planning route with AVB.
They made a short term appointment that was ultimately successful rather than going for something longer term in the hope they'd build something. Even when they sacked Matteo at the start of the following season, they brought in Benitez (an incredibly unpopular decision at the time) who won them a Europa League and got them into the top 4.
United may well go 20/30 years without winning a league title. We might get lucky with a shorter term thinking type appointment who might inspire something to get us even a small degree of success.
The footballing world is now centred around short term thinking. Sadly, unless you have billions of pounds, trying to implement a longer term strategy and "cultural reset" is nigh on impossible. Even Real Madrid went back to Ancellotti (and previously Zidane) to get them success.
The club is fecked from top to bottom and it seems clear to me that the only way out of this is to accept it is going to get worse before it gets better. We have to put our faith in a young manager that has a clear plan to play progressive football, because what is the alternative? It's going to take a couple of years of minimal net spend and smart player acquisitions to get back to a healthy financial position. We need to promote from the U18s and U21s, slowly replace the overpaid, underperforming players that don't have either the athleticism or attitude to play for the club, and we're not going to have the budget to replace them with ready-made world-class players....especially if we're not in the CL. Which manager at the absolute prime of his career is going to want to take that job on? This is a completely different job to that of any manager that we've appointed post-Fergie. And a job that - in career terms if not financial terms - is heavily stacked towards risk with little chance of reward in the near future.
Against that backdrop it is borderline insane to expect to see significant improvement straight away - this is the time to genuinely reset and start again. The path that we have been on since the Woodward years is completely unsustainable and has left us with no option but to cut as much of the rot out as possible and rebuild from the bottom up. This is not a scenario where you bring in a manager to 'get the best out of the squad we already have' because large parts of the squad have proven themselves to be unfit for purpose (some of them over several managers and years) - you cannot fix a player that doesn't have the athleticism required for the modern game, or lacks the mental fortitude to play for a club the size of United.
Forget all the noise about the system/formation, that is a complete red herring and is an easy thing for armchair experts to pinpoint as the problem - as if playing a back a back 4 would magically make everything click into place. This is more about having a manager in place who understands the enormity of the task, and who is given the remit, support and patience to knock things down and build back stronger. Stronger physically, with players that have the pace, power and technique needed, stronger mentally, with players who will lead by example, and stronger culturally, with discipline and rigour and pride in playing for the shirt - things that have clearly been allowed to deteriorate since the days of Sir Alex.
I can't say for certain whether Amorim is the right man to do this, but I can say that he is the right profile of manager for us in the here and now: young, hungry, intelligent, brave enough to take decisions for the long-term good that hurt in the short term, and who has built a successful team from the ground up before. Given that appointing a 'sticking plaster' type manager would have been ignoring the massive underlying problems that the club has, and given that this job is unlikely to be massively attractive to the absolute top tier of experienced, proven, 'guaranteed success' types of manager then I don't know who else we could go for that would be a much better bet than Amorim at this stage. I get that it's scary - it's scary to think of United being on the edge of a relegation battle, it's scary to realise that half our squad isn't up to scratch and there is no money to spend, it's scary to think that for a couple of seasons we may have to accept being a team that is mired in the lower half of the table, whilst young players and new signings (bought with the proceeds of outgoing player sales) are bedding in and an entirely new team and system is built - but this is the way it has to be. More than ever this is a time for backing the manager - he has taken on the biggest task of any manager since Fergie in 1986 and deserves time, but also what is the alternative? Sack him, get ourselves even deeper into the shit by having to pay him millions compensation, and appoint some other poor guy who is expected to work magic on a shoestring? Have to pay another load of compensation to another team for taking their manager? And all the time having no guarantees that the new guy will be any better than the last.
Personally, as long as we stay up I genuinely don't care where we finish in the league this season. Obviously we need to put everything into winning the EL, because that would bring some real optimism to the project moving into next season, and of course being in the CL will help with player acquisitions (not to mention financially). I'm absolutely not someone who backs the manager at all costs, but Amorim is 3 months into an incredibly tough job, how about we do our job as supporters and give him (and the players to be fair) some support? We can either add to the negativity and noise around the club, which will have no tangible benefit, or approach the situation with some understanding of the incredibly challenging circumstances and offer unequivocal support (either in the ground or on social media), at least between now and the end of the season - and try and help create an environment which gives the players and manager the best chance of success?
Against that backdrop it is borderline insane to expect to see significant improvement straight away - this is the time to genuinely reset and start again. The path that we have been on since the Woodward years is completely unsustainable and has left us with no option but to cut as much of the rot out as possible and rebuild from the bottom up. This is not a scenario where you bring in a manager to 'get the best out of the squad we already have' because large parts of the squad have proven themselves to be unfit for purpose (some of them over several managers and years) - you cannot fix a player that doesn't have the athleticism required for the modern game, or lacks the mental fortitude to play for a club the size of United.
Forget all the noise about the system/formation, that is a complete red herring and is an easy thing for armchair experts to pinpoint as the problem - as if playing a back a back 4 would magically make everything click into place. This is more about having a manager in place who understands the enormity of the task, and who is given the remit, support and patience to knock things down and build back stronger. Stronger physically, with players that have the pace, power and technique needed, stronger mentally, with players who will lead by example, and stronger culturally, with discipline and rigour and pride in playing for the shirt - things that have clearly been allowed to deteriorate since the days of Sir Alex.
I can't say for certain whether Amorim is the right man to do this, but I can say that he is the right profile of manager for us in the here and now: young, hungry, intelligent, brave enough to take decisions for the long-term good that hurt in the short term, and who has built a successful team from the ground up before. Given that appointing a 'sticking plaster' type manager would have been ignoring the massive underlying problems that the club has, and given that this job is unlikely to be massively attractive to the absolute top tier of experienced, proven, 'guaranteed success' types of manager then I don't know who else we could go for that would be a much better bet than Amorim at this stage. I get that it's scary - it's scary to think of United being on the edge of a relegation battle, it's scary to realise that half our squad isn't up to scratch and there is no money to spend, it's scary to think that for a couple of seasons we may have to accept being a team that is mired in the lower half of the table, whilst young players and new signings (bought with the proceeds of outgoing player sales) are bedding in and an entirely new team and system is built - but this is the way it has to be. More than ever this is a time for backing the manager - he has taken on the biggest task of any manager since Fergie in 1986 and deserves time, but also what is the alternative? Sack him, get ourselves even deeper into the shit by having to pay him millions compensation, and appoint some other poor guy who is expected to work magic on a shoestring? Have to pay another load of compensation to another team for taking their manager? And all the time having no guarantees that the new guy will be any better than the last.
Personally, as long as we stay up I genuinely don't care where we finish in the league this season. Obviously we need to put everything into winning the EL, because that would bring some real optimism to the project moving into next season, and of course being in the CL will help with player acquisitions (not to mention financially). I'm absolutely not someone who backs the manager at all costs, but Amorim is 3 months into an incredibly tough job, how about we do our job as supporters and give him (and the players to be fair) some support? We can either add to the negativity and noise around the club, which will have no tangible benefit, or approach the situation with some understanding of the incredibly challenging circumstances and offer unequivocal support (either in the ground or on social media), at least between now and the end of the season - and try and help create an environment which gives the players and manager the best chance of success?
I too love to get angry at things my own little mind has made up.
We have won a single game - actually we've won a few.
But yeah, let's bring in someone like Moyes or Dyche, go extremely pragmatic and grind out some 1-0 wins. Then we will maybe be 12th instead of 15th and all will be good.
It has always been like that, it's not new and it's particularly true if you have billions of pounds.
Amorim seems yet another INEOS mistake. Don't take me wrong he's got great potential and he took some, very tough but much needed decisions. However he's also young, he's set in his ways and we simply lack the players to play his system. Considering our financial woes, you'll expect a manager whose tactics are as close to those of ETH's as humanely possible. We went for a manager who'll need a total rework of the squad instead.
That doesn't mean that Amorim is immune of criticism. For example its evident that the Bruno playing deep isn't working. The guy lack the discipline and the positioning to play that role. Unfortunately Amorim keeps insisting with that to the point were we're partnering him with Casemiro who simply can't run anymore. In my opinion we should play Collyer or Kone there with Casemiro. The latter will provide experience and discipline in a deeper role while the former will provide much needed leg work. Both have more experience in a deeper role then Bruno has
That doesn't mean that Amorim is immune of criticism. For example its evident that the Bruno playing deep isn't working. The guy lack the discipline and the positioning to play that role. Unfortunately Amorim keeps insisting with that to the point were we're partnering him with Casemiro who simply can't run anymore. In my opinion we should play Collyer or Kone there with Casemiro. The latter will provide experience and discipline in a deeper role while the former will provide much needed leg work. Both have more experience in a deeper role then Bruno has
I'm somewhat also open to this metholdogy of thought. Amorim has accountability for the trepid performances. It's no different to Erik in his first season, no one said United had an amazing squad when he finished third, everyone lauded Erik for that accomplishment none of it was accredited to the players.
So in the same respects Amorim was hired when the club were 5 points off the top four, if United finished in a European spot Amorim would have got all the credit. It's too easy to just blame the players, keep seeing posts stating it's recycling the issue of the last ten years but how is Amorim any different? It's the club backing a manager while fans curtail judgement until the coach gets 'his' players. It's the same story just with different characters.
In actuality, Amorim would be worse than the last ten years because his managerial predecessors amassed better results in their debut seasons. So if United go and spend north of 250 million in the summer and the team continue to underperform we will hear the exact same rhetoric while the supposed solution to this mess (spending funds) will in hindsight prove to be the issue.
I agree with you on this. We need to see this through.
Look at the difference in players available though. ETH had a Rashford actually trying, a stable CB partnership of Varane/Martinez, Casemiro and Eriksen with legs (this is huge), Luke Shaw starting 40 games, a goalkeeper not dropping a clanger every other game, etc. ETH deserves a lot of credit for that season, but he did have better options available. Better to compare Amorim to what ETH did in 23/24 and this season before he got sacked.
The last time you needed more than 38 points to be safe was 2010/11.
I don’t think he’ll be in charge next season.
He hasn’t improved us one single bit but in his defence, he was effectively forced into now or never.
It was such a brainless decision to bring a system manager into a team with so many new players and so many existing players who are basically rot.
He was brought into an already toxic environment and his approach just adds to the toxicity, because it’s his way or the highway.
I’d love for it all to be a case of we are genuinely riding through this pain and there’s going to be some big overhaul over 18-24 months but without European football and very little in genuinely sellable assets, I struggle to see how this goes.
He hasn’t improved us one single bit but in his defence, he was effectively forced into now or never.
It was such a brainless decision to bring a system manager into a team with so many new players and so many existing players who are basically rot.
He was brought into an already toxic environment and his approach just adds to the toxicity, because it’s his way or the highway.
I’d love for it all to be a case of we are genuinely riding through this pain and there’s going to be some big overhaul over 18-24 months but without European football and very little in genuinely sellable assets, I struggle to see how this goes.
I'm disappointed in Amorim not on the premise of results entirely but rather his perceived vs intrinsic value. 3 or 5 across the defensive line should drastically improve the teams defence but under his tenure it hasn't. The perception I got from watching Sporing reservedly in the UCL was they were defensively responsible.
I actually thought Ruben would be a more pragmatic manager and given Erik's diabolical midfield philosophy, the team being so open would have benefited from some structure defensively. But even when playing defensive orientated individuals in the wingback positions the team look vulnerable. No where near as bad last season mind you, but it reflects poorly on Ruben's ability to adequately coach this team positionally where there's minimal defensive solidarity.
@Adnan put out a good nuanced post which I think has been overlooked as an objective by the masses. The midfield is the biggest issue in this system. There's no distribution of the ball from midfield effectively which means there's no volume in the teams capacity to build an attack. The problem for me is I can't think of many players in world football who come in and I think "they make the difference". Rubens adaption of this system further compounds the issue distance between most of the players from the midfield to attack are too large to compensate lacking a technical number 6.
One criteria I like about Alonso's deployment of the same system is that the players are all condensed so they are genuinely within passing distance of one another. So the midfield double pivot in some instances looks like a 3 or 4 man middle when either the wingbacks align themselves with the central players or you have Wirtz dropping into space and providing an extra option. It's actually shocking that in almost ten years only LVG actually had United setup to overrun teams in the midfield. Ole did to some extent when Herrera, Pogba and Matic were together. Even look at Bournemouth this season, their success comes from overrunning teams, not out running teams.
It's disappointing I have stated that due to INEOS's negligence they will part ways with Amorim sooner or later, I said it since they ditched Ashworth but even if we isolate INEOS influence behind anything, I can't see Amorim being a success at United. He realistically won't get a momentus window to change things so he's essentially being asked to improve 60-70% of the concurrent squad he has at his disposal. I would actually argue that not one player in the starting 11 has improved under his tenure. People critique Foden for being a system player but it really speaks well of his coach. I can't name one senior player in the squad who is benefitting from the system.
I think the closest that comes to mind would be Amad but when you think critically, he's just using his own intuition to make a difference due to playing wider. The wingback means he has probably 2-3 yards more space compared to the 10 so I think Amad is doing well because of Amad, I'm not seeing anything in his game that is an aggrandisement of Amorims system.
I actually thought Ruben would be a more pragmatic manager and given Erik's diabolical midfield philosophy, the team being so open would have benefited from some structure defensively. But even when playing defensive orientated individuals in the wingback positions the team look vulnerable. No where near as bad last season mind you, but it reflects poorly on Ruben's ability to adequately coach this team positionally where there's minimal defensive solidarity.
@Adnan put out a good nuanced post which I think has been overlooked as an objective by the masses. The midfield is the biggest issue in this system. There's no distribution of the ball from midfield effectively which means there's no volume in the teams capacity to build an attack. The problem for me is I can't think of many players in world football who come in and I think "they make the difference". Rubens adaption of this system further compounds the issue distance between most of the players from the midfield to attack are too large to compensate lacking a technical number 6.
One criteria I like about Alonso's deployment of the same system is that the players are all condensed so they are genuinely within passing distance of one another. So the midfield double pivot in some instances looks like a 3 or 4 man middle when either the wingbacks align themselves with the central players or you have Wirtz dropping into space and providing an extra option. It's actually shocking that in almost ten years only LVG actually had United setup to overrun teams in the midfield. Ole did to some extent when Herrera, Pogba and Matic were together. Even look at Bournemouth this season, their success comes from overrunning teams, not out running teams.
It's disappointing I have stated that due to INEOS's negligence they will part ways with Amorim sooner or later, I said it since they ditched Ashworth but even if we isolate INEOS influence behind anything, I can't see Amorim being a success at United. He realistically won't get a momentus window to change things so he's essentially being asked to improve 60-70% of the concurrent squad he has at his disposal. I would actually argue that not one player in the starting 11 has improved under his tenure. People critique Foden for being a system player but it really speaks well of his coach. I can't name one senior player in the squad who is benefitting from the system.
I think the closest that comes to mind would be Amad but when you think critically, he's just using his own intuition to make a difference due to playing wider. The wingback means he has probably 2-3 yards more space compared to the 10 so I think Amad is doing well because of Amad, I'm not seeing anything in his game that is an aggrandisement of Amorims system.
If we're being honest, players like Ugate, De Ligt, Maz, Lenny and existing players like Bruno, Garnacho etc. are not "turd". We've bought players that have won in multiple leagues and proven top level CL quality.
Not saying we would win the league with them, but we CERTAINLY shouldn't be languishing in 15th place and facing a relegation battle.
Hang in there
Going to be a tough few years….like us though there is a loyal fanbase and actually I have found your fans relatively patient compared to others
"We need to put our faith in a young manager who has a clear plan to play progressive football"
Not a bad thought and we should do that. But let's at least see some of this "progressive football" on the pitch before deciding to put our faith in the manager. We are the most patient club in the world. In fact, no one else would have allowed such a huge institution to drop down to our state without patience. In the last 12 seasons when have we not trusted a manager? Each one of them got a bucket load to spend and mold the team in this vision.
People keep mentioning "these players will let any manager down". Eight of the starting XI yesterday were bought (or promoted) in the last three seasons. Bruno was given a brand new hefty contract at the beginning of this season and is arguably our best player. Only Dalot and Maguire were pre-ETH purchases/contracts. Four of the players yesterday are not even a season old. Maz, de Ligt, Zirkzee & Dorgu were bought by the "best in class" football team.
Let's not lie to ourselves that this is a team full of ancient hangarounds that are pulling us down.
Not a bad thought and we should do that. But let's at least see some of this "progressive football" on the pitch before deciding to put our faith in the manager. We are the most patient club in the world. In fact, no one else would have allowed such a huge institution to drop down to our state without patience. In the last 12 seasons when have we not trusted a manager? Each one of them got a bucket load to spend and mold the team in this vision.
People keep mentioning "these players will let any manager down". Eight of the starting XI yesterday were bought (or promoted) in the last three seasons. Bruno was given a brand new hefty contract at the beginning of this season and is arguably our best player. Only Dalot and Maguire were pre-ETH purchases/contracts. Four of the players yesterday are not even a season old. Maz, de Ligt, Zirkzee & Dorgu were bought by the "best in class" football team.
Let's not lie to ourselves that this is a team full of ancient hangarounds that are pulling us down.
We have a squad that should be at least fighting for a european spot but are currently 15th in the league due to poor results under Ruben Amorim so far, last season our squad was constantly hit with injuries and we were unable to start the same back 4 in consecutive games but still managed to finish as high as 8th.
I don't know how anyone looks at our attack and midfield and thinks we should be fighting for Europe. We've got comfortably, one of the worst attacks in the league, it's not fighting for anything.
We finished 3rd 18 months ago with a worse attack than what we currently have
It's largely due to how we setup and how we are coached. There is no world where the following front 4 is one of the worst in the league.
-------------------Hojlund
Garnacho-----Bruno----Amad
Now if people actually believe that it's one of the worst in the league then people should agree with the idea that they should all be sold and will be easy to replace for relatively cheap.
The stuff people make up on this forum. Someone wrote that Ruben made Garnacho and Hojlund worse. Totally ignoring that both were also poor since the season started.
Really the stuff you can read lately here. The glorification of Dan Ashworth is also some shockinh read.
Really the stuff you can read lately here. The glorification of Dan Ashworth is also some shockinh read.
You must rate Hojlund a lot more than me. On form and on their day the others are capable of doing it against anyone I'd say, but you can't survive on that. This overall attacking unit is rancid, from its chance creation, to finishing, it's so average.
Yes, previous managers who weren't good enough were given 2 or 3 years, in much rosier conditions, and yet huge amounts of posters seem unwilling to give this guy more than half a season.
Not really sure what point you are making with the players - are you saying that they are all good enough and that we don't have massive problems with a lack of quality, attitude and athleticism?
INEOS cannot sack him if they’re unwilling to back him in the market. When they appointed him they committed to the fact it’s going to be a long term project.. to sack him now makes them look even more inept.
Amorim needs a solid couple of transfer windows to get the players he wants and will fit his system before we even begin to judge him. He has a system he’s committed to and I like that.. if ETH had did that when he moved from Ajax maybe he’d still be in charge, but instead he played dire looking football whilst also getting poor results in the league for a solid 18 months.
We’ve seen how poor some teams can be when they lose key players who are integral to their system (Rodri at City, Salah or VVD at Liverpool, Odegaard or Rice at Arsenal), Amorim needs to find those players who unlocks another level to his play.. and unfortunately that’s going to take backing from the board and time.
I can already see how much of a difference Dorgu is going to make to this team.. yes he’s not the best player in the world yet, but he’s the right profile. A few more of those type of signings will make a world of difference.
Amorim needs a solid couple of transfer windows to get the players he wants and will fit his system before we even begin to judge him. He has a system he’s committed to and I like that.. if ETH had did that when he moved from Ajax maybe he’d still be in charge, but instead he played dire looking football whilst also getting poor results in the league for a solid 18 months.
We’ve seen how poor some teams can be when they lose key players who are integral to their system (Rodri at City, Salah or VVD at Liverpool, Odegaard or Rice at Arsenal), Amorim needs to find those players who unlocks another level to his play.. and unfortunately that’s going to take backing from the board and time.
I can already see how much of a difference Dorgu is going to make to this team.. yes he’s not the best player in the world yet, but he’s the right profile. A few more of those type of signings will make a world of difference.
Amorim wants to play a certain way but doesnt have the players to play this way. Look at the squad he has inherrited. Where is the technical players with creativity?
Where are the athletic dynamic midfielders we need to play premier league football....where are the leaders? Our downfall is diabolical recruitment over 10 year period and ridiculous wages. We have been shown the way by teams like Brighton and Bournemouth who have recruited very well.
Bruno, Garnacho cannot play in his system due to a lack of positional discipline
Mazaroui, Dalot are not wingers
Casemiro Maguire Evans Eriksen legs have gone
Onana is error prone and liability
Mainoo-lacks mobility where does he play in an Amorim system?
Shaw Mount Martinez, Lindelof injury prone, rarely available
Hojlund- 72 million's worth of nowhere near good enough.
Zirkee- Jury is out
Rashford, Antony, Sancho poor attitude
It leaves us very little, Mazaroui, Amad, Yoro, De Ligt, Dorgu, Ugarte
Where are the athletic dynamic midfielders we need to play premier league football....where are the leaders? Our downfall is diabolical recruitment over 10 year period and ridiculous wages. We have been shown the way by teams like Brighton and Bournemouth who have recruited very well.
Bruno, Garnacho cannot play in his system due to a lack of positional discipline
Mazaroui, Dalot are not wingers
Casemiro Maguire Evans Eriksen legs have gone
Onana is error prone and liability
Mainoo-lacks mobility where does he play in an Amorim system?
Shaw Mount Martinez, Lindelof injury prone, rarely available
Hojlund- 72 million's worth of nowhere near good enough.
Zirkee- Jury is out
Rashford, Antony, Sancho poor attitude
It leaves us very little, Mazaroui, Amad, Yoro, De Ligt, Dorgu, Ugarte
I guess that comes down to where you draw the line on "one of the worst".
At this point of despair, I can only conclude that poor Ruben must be somewhat deluded. I mean, to take this job, mid-season, with this ownership, and with our track record, what must he be smoking?
He's now the 10th manager who must be thinking "I should have known you can't stop the Titanic from sinking."
He's now the 10th manager who must be thinking "I should have known you can't stop the Titanic from sinking."
Garnacho is not the finished article. You could definitely sign someone who was more productive than him for a lot less money. He has potential though.
Hojlund doesn't look to have anything particularly special to me.
Amad has looked really good for half a season or so and I have high hopes for him - but we won't be available for the rest of the season.
Bruno is the only one that I would say is definitely better than most clubs options, but because of our shortcomings in midfield he is often having to play in areas of the pitch where he is less dangerous.
I don't need to rate Hojlund highly to not think that this is one of the worst set of attacking players in the league. These players are no worse than Ramsey, Rodgers, McGinn and Watkins or Iwobi, Jimenez, Smith Rowe and Adama.
I am saying we have won 4 games our of 14 in the league under Amo so far. The squad isn't that bad. Let's not assume that he is the answer. He has to earn the "faith", it doesn't come as a default.
There is still plenty of the season left. Most of the FA cup and the knock-out stages of the Europa league. Let him prove that he deserves our trust.
Or do you think this is the best position we can achieve with our squad?
They're all better than Adama, to be fair.
Ah, we just disagree then on players qualities. That's fair.
Non
eof this previous managers had us playing this bad and a string of results this bad. Under Ole we were beating bottom 10 teams for fun. And scoring boatloads of goals through it all.
I made all the points I wanted to in my post that you quoted. Replace the guy after half a season and we end up deeper into the financial shit and have to appoint someone into an impossible situation, with no guarantee that he'll be any better. This job is about a great deal more than league position at this stage, and if that's all you are interested in then that's extremely short-sighted.
Mind-numbingly simplistic way of looking at things.
To be fair under Moyes we haven't been grinding out 1-0 wins aside from the Brighton game!
Mind numbingly simplistic was the way our supposedly loyal fans treated our best manager since SAF by calling him PE teacher and firing him for, let’s face it, much better results than Amorim ever has had.