What he did at Sporting doesnt mean that much with regards to his ability to manager when Ole had multiple seasons of success at Molde but failed here and ETH had multiple seasons of success at Ajax and failed here.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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What he did at Sporting doesnt mean that much with regards to his ability to manager when Ole had multiple seasons of success at Molde but failed here and ETH had multiple seasons of success at Ajax and failed here.
Sancho and Fred were not in the top 10 minutes in 22/23, in all comps or the Premier League. If you’re going to criticize someone’s counting at least make sure you’re capable of it yourself.
Probably one of the many reasons as to why he asked to come in the summer and why once he got here he said(time after time) that it was not going to be easy.
How is two lines of facts being dishonest? Because it doesn’t fit your narrative?
Clear that no one here is willing to answer the question though so is what it is.
Yeah, you're right. Bruno is the entire list.
Three of the best players in that team were Shaw, Casemiro and Rashford. You put the version of those players in this team and we’d have more points, give ETH in 22/23 the current versions of those three players and we probably finish in the bottom half.
He was specifically talking about his system, not his ability as a manager.
List the 9 players
What do you expect? Miracles????Table since he took over. It's grim.
I have no idea. But if that was the case, I would assume it would be more easier for the no.10 to move out there rather than shove our only natural CM to right wing. As I mentioned, it all appears to be a mess on the pitch right now and I have no idea what he is trying to do with his formation.
De Gea’s exit was handled badly, but ultimately he had to go. It’s just that his replacement was even worse.
If we're going on minutes instead of appearances, it's Antony and Varane instead of Sancho and Fred. Last time I checked Varane isn't in the squad either???
Your claim of 9 in 10 is still horseshit.
Of the top 15 players by appearance in 22/23: 6 have left the club. 2 are permanently crocked and unavailable. 3 were loaned out including Rashford who asked to leave.
That leaves only 4 available to Amorim - Bruno and Dalot who are fit enough to start games. Eriksen and Casemiro who are not and are seeing out their contracts.
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He will not do his career any favours if he fails here. I can't understand this obsession with 3 CBs, not when 2 of them are Maguire and De Ligt.
A competent manager?
I can’t tell if this is a gag?
I really feel for Amorim coming in to the absolute abomination of a club that United is BUT a good coach will at least improve what they have available, what we’re seeing regardless of whether it’s his squad or not is we’re actually getting worse which is scary.
If you look through this thread you’ll see some people claim Amorim’s system isn’t something from Mars so the issue is the players and not the system but if the system isn’t such a rarity why is not one single player in the squad improving on how they were ?
I’ve no doubt that Amorim is a very good coach and I really like him and of the games I watched of Sporting which were Arsenal in Europa, City in the CL and a couple of Lisbon derbies it’s clear he did a great job at Sporting but Ole won titles at Molde and ETH won titles at Ajax so just maybe a good percentage of what’s happening on the pitch is down to Amorim.
A lot of the squad that is there right now will still be there next season too as unless we manage to do something financially insane like 8 out and 8 in and manage to move on Rashford, Antony, Casemiro, Mount, Zirkzee, Onana, Lindelof and Malacia for proper money we don’t have the money for wholesale changes so Amorim will be working with a lot of the same and what happens then ?
Ineos have fecked us financially with their dithering and internal power struggles meaning we’ve wasted over £200 million on a combination of transfers for a manager we paid off weeks after signing the players then paying to bring another and his staff in whilst paying to bring in a Sporting Director just to go over his head with decision making by non footballing people then paying him off too.
Either Amorim starts being more flexible tactically or he won’t see Christmas at the latest as a lot of the players he’s struggling with now are going to be players he’ll have in his squad next season too and already it’s clear that barely anyone can play his 3-4-2-1, simply adapt and survive until the club is in a position to let him have what he needs to succeed or the alternative is he’ll be another expensive mistake.
If you look through this thread you’ll see some people claim Amorim’s system isn’t something from Mars so the issue is the players and not the system but if the system isn’t such a rarity why is not one single player in the squad improving on how they were ?
I’ve no doubt that Amorim is a very good coach and I really like him and of the games I watched of Sporting which were Arsenal in Europa, City in the CL and a couple of Lisbon derbies it’s clear he did a great job at Sporting but Ole won titles at Molde and ETH won titles at Ajax so just maybe a good percentage of what’s happening on the pitch is down to Amorim.
A lot of the squad that is there right now will still be there next season too as unless we manage to do something financially insane like 8 out and 8 in and manage to move on Rashford, Antony, Casemiro, Mount, Zirkzee, Onana, Lindelof and Malacia for proper money we don’t have the money for wholesale changes so Amorim will be working with a lot of the same and what happens then ?
Ineos have fecked us financially with their dithering and internal power struggles meaning we’ve wasted over £200 million on a combination of transfers for a manager we paid off weeks after signing the players then paying to bring another and his staff in whilst paying to bring in a Sporting Director just to go over his head with decision making by non footballing people then paying him off too.
Either Amorim starts being more flexible tactically or he won’t see Christmas at the latest as a lot of the players he’s struggling with now are going to be players he’ll have in his squad next season too and already it’s clear that barely anyone can play his 3-4-2-1, simply adapt and survive until the club is in a position to let him have what he needs to succeed or the alternative is he’ll be another expensive mistake.
I'm very down on the quality of the squad overall but goodness me, that table since he took over. That's even underperforming beyond my extremely low expectations. Can anyone recall a time when a new manager came in and objectively made things worse what happens next season? Are there any success stories?
I think a lot are holding on to hope INEOS have this long over arching master plan to give Amorim time to rebuild the squad in his image no matter what but the Ashworth ordeal tells me otherwise. I think they'd prefer to fail fast and course correct if necessary.
I wouldn't be shocked in the least if they change directions in the summer, pretty certain they'll let him see out the season. Not arguing that's the right move at all. Just skeptical INEOS are these genius and patient playing the long game masterminds.
I think a lot are holding on to hope INEOS have this long over arching master plan to give Amorim time to rebuild the squad in his image no matter what but the Ashworth ordeal tells me otherwise. I think they'd prefer to fail fast and course correct if necessary.
I wouldn't be shocked in the least if they change directions in the summer, pretty certain they'll let him see out the season. Not arguing that's the right move at all. Just skeptical INEOS are these genius and patient playing the long game masterminds.
Not to be in the bottom 4 is not too much to ask for now is it?
He needs to get a grip of the club and fast this is how SJR/Ineos start moving, brief the media, we are now apparently looking at Pochetino and Xavi, this is their first pass to put pressure on Amorim, they won’t spend more than £50m, if he goes out of both cups before April and the club continues with 53% loss rate in the EPL, it’s not the right thing to do, we should support him but he’s not stupid either!
When he started he said you have to win games to win time, so if you lose games you lose time?
That’s just the reality of being a Man United Manager that so far looks out of his depth in the EPL.
I think Amorim will leave in the summer, INEOS will not want to risk going into a new season with him at the helm after how the team has performed since his arrival.
This is Amorim’s project now and he has full support of the board and vice versa. He’s not going anywhere and rightly so
He'll be lucky to make it to the end of the season
Yeah. There will be a lot of disappointed people in here in the summer when he’s still here
Already at the "needs more time and his own players" vs "he has to go regardless" phase.
Round and round we go.
Round and round we go.
Agree totally, he has been able to recruit 1 20 year old and people think he should be gone, weird!