“Our best attacking player”. Must be a huge fan of statman dave because clearly you didn’t watch us and your best your attacking player play for last 18 months.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Jim is that you?
Also, the point isn't really to back Amorim but to back the club by signing the players that fit into the structure we're trying to build, and having a manager that fits that structure.
Not sure why anyone thinks that bringing in 3-4 players that actually fit into the structure isn't going to make a difference, and it's not like the manager hasn't been very clear about why he doesn't want to adapt.
We're overall shit and we have been for quite some time, there's no instant fix and it's going to be painful, just grow a pair and stop thinking the solution is to sack managers.
Yes and I’m sorry that you don’t.
And this is an acceptable haul considering our squad?
Amorin will quit before we see success again.
We are a disaster.
Ineos and the glazers are not aligned at all. The playing squad is average and disjointed.
The stadium is a wreck, the behind the scenes is a complete new set up.
The morale around the place is rock bottom with the cut backs.
The pressure and scrutiny of this job will break anyone. Amorin will walk before things are turned around > there's so many obstacles preventing first team success. He'll tire of underperformance from his players and the lack of real support behind him.
There isn't a manager in the world that could lift these players. Worst collective bunch of player's we've ever had.
We are a disaster.
Ineos and the glazers are not aligned at all. The playing squad is average and disjointed.
The stadium is a wreck, the behind the scenes is a complete new set up.
The morale around the place is rock bottom with the cut backs.
The pressure and scrutiny of this job will break anyone. Amorin will walk before things are turned around > there's so many obstacles preventing first team success. He'll tire of underperformance from his players and the lack of real support behind him.
There isn't a manager in the world that could lift these players. Worst collective bunch of player's we've ever had.
Sack sack sack! That will undo all the wrongdoings of last 10-15 years.
The new manager has had one signing and people have their pitchforks out already.
We also need to change the narrative that every new manager needs 10 signings before they can be judged. We dont have the money and other good managers can improve what they have. That is the real test of a manager.
See I don't think it is.
The manager is obviously not doing a good job at the moment, but I think this squad is pretty average.
Pretty much all those teams have a better goalkeeper and attackers for a start.
If you do a combined team with us and any of those teams, you'd probably get an even-ish mix from both.
But that's the thing, isn't it? We're not average, we're close to relegation form.
Are we shit at the back though. Our issue is up front. We should have got something yesterday and I spent the whole game thinking we would score, but the finishing was completely inept. 28 goals scored is criminal.
A best XI from those teams would have 2/3 of our players at most.
In the past two years how many of our players have shown any form that indicates we should be higher than this?
We need players with higher stamina, strength, pace, mental fortitude and basic skills. This is a given irrespective of the formation we play.
Ralf, ETH and Amorim have all stated this. Dorgu aside, only ETH got to sign anyone to improve this, but after 600m we are still wildly lacking in these core attributes.
The game has changed in the last 15 years. A team of slow injury prone players who's heads sink to the floor and then cannot make a 6 yard pass doesn’t win leagues.
Well said. Only fear now is Amorim getting fed up with all the bullshit surrounding Manchester United. We need to end the circle.
If they did sack him do you trust the club to chose the right replacement? It is just a general question.
I guess by the laws of probability we will eventually get it right. Keep changing every year until we see a change
One can only hope they will at least try for Klopp, Simeone, Pep etc.
I know they are long shots and probably unrealistic, but we need to offer whatever it takes to get one of these proven top managers on board.
We arguably have better wingers, we have better midfielders and better CB's. We have more depth too. I think our squad is better, quite easily. The previous coach had suicidal football, an injury crisis and a weaker squad, and still mustered 8th which means a more balanced formation and kinder injuries puts our level above where we are.
And then watch them struggle with the turd we have and wonder who has cursed the club?I guess by the laws of probability we will eventually get it right. Keep changing every year until we see a change
One can only hope they will at least try for Klopp, Simeone, Pep etc.
I know they are long shots and probably unrealistic, but we need to offer whatever it takes to get one of these proven top managers on board.
Yet another top manager comes to this club and look useless. The same problems appear regardless of manager. This has been the issue since Jose. We are too easy to play against, whenever the opposition has the ball there is acres of space for them to pass around and get into the final third.
When we have the ball, we struggle to get out the half.
Amorim has shown nothing in his tenure yet to show that he will be successful.
Even after the 1 week training we had, we look the same or worse really.
I will not buy injuries as a excuse because we were the same before the injuries.
When we have the ball, we struggle to get out the half.
Amorim has shown nothing in his tenure yet to show that he will be successful.
Even after the 1 week training we had, we look the same or worse really.
I will not buy injuries as a excuse because we were the same before the injuries.
It doesn’t matter who. Give a 15year old 30 minutes rather than watch them shot the place repeatedly.
Cunha would be a sensible purchase, however I think better clubs than we are at the moment will be in for him. Why would he come here in the hope that five or six years down the line we might be challengers.
Wouldn't it be ironic if it were Southgate after Ashworth has left.I guess by the laws of probability we will eventually get it right. Keep changing every year until we see a change
One can only hope they will at least try for Klopp, Simeone, Pep etc.
I know they are long shots and probably unrealistic, but we need to offer whatever it takes to get one of these proven top managers on board.
Am I the only one here who thinks he could get sacked?
Sticking to this 343 seems mental in a results based business...
Sticking to this 343 seems mental in a results based business...
It won’t go down well but I still hold we’re playing well at times, creating clear goal scoring chance, coherence around the attack and moving the ball well across the front 3/4. The injuries before yesterday - especially Amad - were a cruel hammer blow and ramped up the pressure. Also people’s memories are short and it’s already been forgotten that we went to Liverpool and went toe to toe with them for the first time in forever. Ditto Arsenal. No smash and grab, concerted pressure, pressing…
We have a young forward line, I mean their brains are literally still developing, and the pressure and negativity gets worse every game that they don’t score. This has lead to a place where they are missing painfully easy chances. We’re in danger now of the negativity surrounding it all getting so intense that it does become a basin you can’t get out of. What we need is some positivity, get just a couple of good results against lower quality teams in the next run of fixtures and some morale back. We must get Hojlund, Garnacho and Zirkzee a goal because some belief would be like oxygen.
I firmly believe the negative noise and pressure is THE factor here, obviously alongside ETH and the club making some really poor purchasing decisions. Dorgu looks a good addition. We can get back, but fans also need to believe and help force us out of this rut.
We have a young forward line, I mean their brains are literally still developing, and the pressure and negativity gets worse every game that they don’t score. This has lead to a place where they are missing painfully easy chances. We’re in danger now of the negativity surrounding it all getting so intense that it does become a basin you can’t get out of. What we need is some positivity, get just a couple of good results against lower quality teams in the next run of fixtures and some morale back. We must get Hojlund, Garnacho and Zirkzee a goal because some belief would be like oxygen.
I firmly believe the negative noise and pressure is THE factor here, obviously alongside ETH and the club making some really poor purchasing decisions. Dorgu looks a good addition. We can get back, but fans also need to believe and help force us out of this rut.
There is nothing to suggest that he's a top manager, absolutely zip. He has achieved nothing in the game. Well, dragging Manchester United into a relegation scrap is an achievement I guess.
He’s not going anywhere and rightly so. Amorim, Wilcox Berrada and co are all on the same page in that we need to hard reset. It’s tough for Amorim as he’s on the front line and genuinely thought he could get some results even whilst resetting with no investment but it has to be accepted throughout the club that they’re putting right the wrongs of the past decade with a view to being able to compete in 2/3 years’ time. If anything Amorim deserves a bonus for persevering through such a tough time.
Thats actually false. If you cannot respect managers winning their respective leagues in the manner he has, then it shows your lack of football understanding.
I think i'd use different words.
Yet at the end of the day he was the choice made by fairly competent football people as the right manager to take the new sporting direction further. Which is pretty much what people have been moaning about.
Do we?
Wingers/Attackers
West Ham have Kudus and Bowen - I don't think our wingers are any better then either.
Brentford have Mbuemo, Schade and Daamsgard... Mbuemo and Daamsgaard definitely would bother our starting Xi.
Wolves have Cunha and Sarabia... a lot of people are hoping we buy Cunha to improve our team.
Spurs have Son, Maddison, Kula... I mean thats a no brainer.
As for midfielders, I mean I don't even know what our first choice Centre Midfield pairing is... we only really have Urgate... so by default one other midfielder from any of those teams would probably get into our team.
CB's we probably do edge, but then I think most teams have better full-backs/wing-backs then we do.
And like I said, you'd definitely take the goalkeeper and centre forwards from other teams... As I said a few posts up, if you do a combined XI with us and those teams, it would probabyl be an even-ish split.
If you want actual replies, you’re going to need to get down off your high horse.
1. Dorgu was not transformative to this team, and Amorim’s plans look no closer to fruition. You can be shocked all you like.
2. kids were all that Amorim had. Those players have been dreaming of playing in a real game for the first team. We were losing already and our starters were gassed and showing zero indication they could find the net with a map and a compass. Let me tell you, I’ve probably been watching the youth team longer than you have. Lets have a top reds debate, those are fun!!
Some kids step up when given the chance. It’s not like if they didn’t set the game alight they’d be banished back to the U13s. You’re being ever so slightly precious, but you do you.
Spurs was a free hit for them to get some minutes and maybe inspire some positivity in the side and that might trickle down to the fanbase.
This manager is carrying the blame for everything that has happened before he even joined United.
Its called accumulative disaster.
Have a bad routine for one day, one week, one month and you will see no difference, do it for a year, 5 years, 10 years and see what happens.
Its like health, eat good food or 5 cream cakes every day and you will not see any real difference in a month either way, do it for a year and well you know what the outcome will be.
I will always back this manager 100% because he has inherited a complete S***show of a situation and a bunch of players that have flattered to deceive for way too long now.
My worry is he will walk before we start to see improvements which will obviously take longer than he had hoped for.
Its called accumulative disaster.
Have a bad routine for one day, one week, one month and you will see no difference, do it for a year, 5 years, 10 years and see what happens.
Its like health, eat good food or 5 cream cakes every day and you will not see any real difference in a month either way, do it for a year and well you know what the outcome will be.
I will always back this manager 100% because he has inherited a complete S***show of a situation and a bunch of players that have flattered to deceive for way too long now.
My worry is he will walk before we start to see improvements which will obviously take longer than he had hoped for.
Failure has been normalized
Huge part of this is how our own wingers have been this season. But Garnacho on the left has proven to be productive. Amad is a no brainier. Our midfielders And CB's are definitely better in my opinion.
It's easy to say we suck when the system doesn't suit any of our players, but these guys are quality talent in the right system.
I support Amorim 100% and think he should be given time. However, I still want to point out few things he could have done differently. Although I suspect many posters will disagree:
1. Kept one of Rashford or Anthony. I think we could still have got rid of both in the summer but he could have kept one of them onside especially as it would have been clear that we were not getting replacements in the winter. Personally, i think he should have tried to work with Rashford for the remainder of the season with the understanding with INEOS that they would get rid in the summer.
2. Keep Ruud. He could have kept Ruud for half a season and drawn on his experience and advice. He could have reduced his role and asked him not to stand at the dugout if he thought that was reducing his stature. Ruud's experience with the squad and the English game would have helped him. At the least, Ruud could have worked with our strikers and helped them.
3. Not crap so much on the squad - this one is controversial. But i don't think crapping on the squad has helped him. There is a time for the hair dryer and there is a time for giving confidence. Fergie did both.
1. Kept one of Rashford or Anthony. I think we could still have got rid of both in the summer but he could have kept one of them onside especially as it would have been clear that we were not getting replacements in the winter. Personally, i think he should have tried to work with Rashford for the remainder of the season with the understanding with INEOS that they would get rid in the summer.
2. Keep Ruud. He could have kept Ruud for half a season and drawn on his experience and advice. He could have reduced his role and asked him not to stand at the dugout if he thought that was reducing his stature. Ruud's experience with the squad and the English game would have helped him. At the least, Ruud could have worked with our strikers and helped them.
3. Not crap so much on the squad - this one is controversial. But i don't think crapping on the squad has helped him. There is a time for the hair dryer and there is a time for giving confidence. Fergie did both.
Well said!
It has nothing to do with respect. There are managers winning their respective leagues everywhere, it doesn't mean that they are all top managers. In fact most of them aren't top managers outside of the top 4 or 5 leagues in the world.
No one will suggest that Bosz, Galtier, Conceicao, Lage, Schmidt, Rui Vitoria and many others are top managers. Top managers are exceptional.
I think with this squad we need to get used to the idea that we'll be a bottom half side for at least another season regardless of manager.
The money isn't there to make the necessary improvements in the summer. It was all wasted by Ten Hag.
The money isn't there to make the necessary improvements in the summer. It was all wasted by Ten Hag.
Was Arteta ever at the level we're seeing though? Our points per game average is hovering around 1. I know Arteta started badly but I don't remember it being this bad and, as you point out, Arteta had an upturn that Amorim simply doesn't look like enjoying.
You are right that with a preaseason everything could change. However, the last two games came after no midweek fixtures and plenty of time on the training pitch. We did not look any better.
What's more likely? A huge improvement out of nowhere? Or that after a decent preaseason we collapse mentally at the first bad result next season, just as we did under Ten Hag this season, and we end up limping through the autumn?
Assuming this season plays out the way the last 20 matches have gone, we will be getting knocked out of the Cups at the next asking, and will finish in 15th or 16th place, with some dire, wretched football to be played.
Amo gets this season and the summer preseason and transfer window. I’m guessing we don’t wrap up the signing or two early, which means there won’t be a lot of time with the full team. Then the season starts. If results don’t drastically improve—and I’m talking at least looking like a professional club—then I’d give him 10 matches maybe?
He will have been in charge at that point for 50-odd games, which is an entirely adequate sample size to judge if there’s any hope of Amoball working. If results stay shit, he’s out well before Xmas.
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