Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

[Nevilles.Wear.Prada]

Think the plan is to get side CBs to join the attack on their side like how Martinez did at times. The problem is that almost all CBs are just too slow to cover each other. He usually subs Yoro for De Ligt in second half when we seem to try to play front foot. I don't know if this is his plan to play this deep but the slow CBs seem to ruin our shape.

Not sure what's the plan is but you can see it's not working. We dont have the team for it, the finance for it and he is making them look worse then they already are and you can see it shot their confidence to pieces. He needs to stop digging the hole we are in, he is just making it deeper and deeper. Never this worried for us, like ever.

 

[croadyman]

Not sure why you get to tell me who I can or can't name... we should be able to attract anyone. Of course, I'd want Alonso or Simeone but what about Ancelotti or Luis Enrique? Or Flick or Xavi? Or Valverde? Allegri? Lippi? Even Mancini...

My point is the club should be looking for a boss who has proved himself big time, but it's not up to me to pick/hire him

Haven't we tried appointing that kind of boss who proved himself big time in both Van Gaal and Mourinho

 

[Judas]

Winning it isnt 'on/off' ... you need to stay unbeaten to win it.

Wow didn't realise you needed to win each game to win the FA Cup, thanks.

 

[Judas]

People genuinely wanting Allegri in 2025 is almost as depressing as watching us play.

 

[Ted Lasso]

This goes to @JPRouve's point.

Some managers aren't built for mid-table clubs.

I 100% agree with that. So it goes back once again to the board expectations and I suppose since we're actively discussing it, fans as well.

A lot of folks thought Ruud should have stayed interim longer. Ironically Leicester have lost six in a row or something with no goals scored.

 

[croadyman]

Yeah. There will be a lot of disappointed people in here in the summer when he’s still here

I won't be as feel he should get summer window, if there isn't enough improvement by xmas then can understand questions being asked about him

 

[DRJosh]

We shouldn’t deride those who have lost faith in Amorim.

Even with the mediocre players we have, we’d expect them to have some semblance of a properly coached professional team alongside other mid-table teams. At the moment, we’d struggle even against first division opposition.

The drop in performance is too drastic to be just about a system change. The players aren’t buying what Amorim is selling and that could be due to a whole host of reasons (e.g players without drive and determination) but it also highlights fractures in team-manager communication and chemistry.

 

[DRJosh]

I won't be as feel he should get summer window, if there isn't enough improvement by xmas then can understand questions being asked about him

But we won’t be able to spend much at all in the summer window?

 

[croadyman]

I want him to get at least a preseason and a summer window working with the club decision makers, but it’s not like Ineos have shown a lot of commitment when things have turned sour having fired ETH and Ashworth. Would it really shock anyone if he was sacked when the season ends and we hear there was a falling out between him and the board and that they wanted to go a different direction before buying new players.

Would greatly disappoint me, however nothing surprises me with INEOS after keeping Ten Hag

 

[Regalia]

Well doh?

Off course winning the last 5 match matters. It's elite football

And yes if he can get 15 pts more he has shown he got what it takes I'd gladly support him

https://images.performgroup.com/di/...im_1pbyyt1f5q8k71nqupqeejuoyz.png?t=767326725

This sounds more like fans wanting instant gratification and not having a modicum of patience for anything. What if we finished 8th/9th at the end of this season and went on a 7-game winning run but to get there you had to endure a couple more losses before things improved? Your impatience would have written the manager off and we wouldn't have seen the end result. Imagine if your boss fired you because you took a couple of months to get used to things at your new company, I'm sure you'd think you deserved it right?

Also irrelevant graphic. Amorim has had 3 months. You could give Amorim 2.5 years like ETH and he might be at 60%. Stats and data can be interpreted however you want to suit your narrative. Even Moyes got 7 months to feck us up, not sure why people are unwilling to give Amorim at least a preseason and a proper transfer window. Even if we fail and sack him, there is nothing wrong with bringing in a few better players than the lot we've got.

 

[Regalia]

So this season, let’s forget the cups (agreed would be incredible if we could win one but let’s see, if he can pick one up I think it alleviates a lot of the concern/buys him a little time even without a good style of play) and look at the PL.

If we continue as we are re performances until the end of the season which means we’ll be like 16th-14th you would then think you’ve seen enough and want him sacked, or you wouldn’t mind and just ignore it and bank on pre season? Bearing in mind it’s not like we can go out and buy him 3-4 elite players. Is that enough time to see improvements?

Yes I would ignore 99% of the ups and downs (1% being if we start getting hammered 5-0 etc.) as long as we get through the rest of the season relatively unscathed. 10th would be a great salvage job, 17th would be horrendous but either way, he gets preseason and whatever transfers we can muster.

This is where my opinion differs from people wanting him out and where we have different expectations and conclusions. I believe Amorim's CV, past achievements, management style and communication style shows a manager that knows what he is doing and is able to compete among the best, if given a fair opportunity. This is actually the same belief I had with ETH, but not with Moyes, for example. This belief (not totally unsubstantiated, he has credentials to his name), along with him coming in mid-season to our mess of a club, is why I feel he should at least get a chance to prove himself next season. If we continue to flounder next Oct/Nov, then yes, I would start to think we need a change as well. But I will not write off a top young managerial prospect after 3 months.

On buying 3-4 elite players, that's the thing - I don't believe we need 3-4 'elite' players, maybe an elite ST, but it's more like we need 3-4 players that have a different profile to what we currently have. Physically stronger, a bit better technically, motivated and fresh. That's really all Dorgu is and he's already close to our best performer the last few games.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

He'll be lucky to make it to the end of the season

He has to be given one full season at the very least. Holding a gun to his head and getting to join mid-appalling-season with pretty much no funds in January and a new system to implement hasn't been pretty but he deserves full backing for his first full season.

 

[Regalia]

Iraola's early record at Bournemouth was not good, yes.

But it's all relative. He was managing Bournemouth, who had only been promoted for one season, in which they had finished 15th. That season included a period of 1 win in 13 matches (10 to 22), a 9-0 defeat to Liverpool, and the 4 final games were consecutive defeats. The form itself was concerning but not far out of the ordinary for a club of this level.

If we're going for context, Iraola also got a preseason and was clearly working in a much lower pressure environment with lower expectations and day-to-day scrutiny compared to Amorim at United.

And while opinions may differ on just how bad the United squad is, nobody but the most stubborn fan is going to tell you we're top 6-8 elite club material right now.

 

[Sky1981]

Haven't we tried appointing that kind of boss who proved himself big time in both Van Gaal and Mourinho

We've also tried young modern manager ETH, cut from the same cloth Moyes, Arms around the shoulder Ole. Might as well hire Ted Lasso now?

 

[croadyman]

We shouldn’t deride those who have lost faith in Amorim.

Even with the mediocre players we have, we’d expect them to have some semblance of a properly coached professional team alongside other mid-table teams. At the moment, we’d struggle even against first division opposition.

The drop in performance is too drastic to be just about a system change. The players aren’t buying what Amorim is selling and that could be due to a whole host of reasons (e.g players without drive and determination) but it also highlights fractures in team-manager communication and chemistry.

I am worried he's not getting enough of a buy in, also much as I'm fully behind him his body language has changed since the first few games

 

[Toshey]

He has to be given one full season at the very least. Holding a gun to his head and getting to join mid-appalling-season with pretty much no funds in January and a new system to implement hasn't been pretty but he deserves full backing for his first full season.

You're saying it to the wrong person.
When I open this thread once in every few days, I can always bet that hellhunter is there, on every page, saying how much Amorim sucks.
He's a bit obsessed that one.

 

[CG1010]

We've also tried young modern manager ETH, cut from the same cloth Moyes, Arms around the shoulder Ole. Might as well hire Ted Lasso now?

Clearly the manager is no panacea to our problems.

 

[Sky1981]

Clearly the manager is no panacea to our problems.

But Jose at least made us feel like a big team. Not winning the league shouldnt be seen as a failure to make us stop hiring the best in the business.

He still has the best achievement post SAF. As much as we dont like his style at least we dont go into matches expecting to get spanked

 

[NoPace]

He has to be given one full season at the very least. Holding a gun to his head and getting to join mid-appalling-season with pretty much no funds in January and a new system to implement hasn't been pretty but he deserves full backing for his first full season.

Yeah, he gets the summer to try to find a starter or 2, even if it's for lower fees/wages than he would like, pre-season to teach the system and then you see how the season goes.

The main thing I want to see addressed is our build-up play, we so often off of our own goal kicks just go wide CB to fullback and they don't see to have any options on the ball and we just hit it upfield under pressure in the corner (where teams want to force you to use the sideline as an extra defender on the press, Klopp and Iraola and others talk about this) and lose possession. Does he have a plan for how we can actually progress the ball?

You watch Inter and Leverkusen, the best team sin the world playing 3 at the back play, and they don't have the build up problems we do. It's probably a mix of personnel and the systems?

Inter have 3 former #10s in midfield (Mkhitaryan-Calhanoglu-Barella) so they can move the ball around without just hoofing it under pressure and when they do have to go longer, they have 2 up top to try to hold it up centrally. We have Ugarte, who has some good qualities, but isn't good on the ball, and we seem to just hoof it into the channels to a lone striker or ask our #10s to hold up the ball, which they can't really do because they don't have the physicality for it - apart from Zirkzee, though he seems to fail to find the ball, could be first season in England or the sheer lack of dog in him.

Leverkusen just seem to have nippy technically sound players around Xhaka, though Ugarte and Andrich have some similarities. We don't have a Xhaka type QB, or someone as good as Wirtz or wingbacks as agile as Grimaldo and Frimpong, so that one might not be comparable, really. We might look better if we can sign quality players like that. It sounds impossible since those 4 would go for about 250M combined (taking into account Xhaka and Grimaldo being older), but Frimpong was 11M and Grimaldo a free so at least at wingback it might be possible. The central quality ball-players seem to cost a ton of money or you get them coming off a bad move like Odegaard or Kovacic or guys like that, not sure who this summer's versions of that would be, maybe Guler? Or whoever the next good Croat is, they seem to be moving for less money these days.

It's pretty dire, really. Maybe it'll start to come together and look different next season.

In terms of next up, I guess I'd want a Barca type to move us towards having actual quality on the ball and ruthlessly getting rid of everyone who doesn't, or Iraola would at leas

 

[Hester_manc]

Keeping him for next season could turn out to be a repeat of last year's mistake where we gave ETH an extra chance.

 

[Xeque_279]

Yeah, he gets the summer to try to find a starter or 2, even if it's for lower fees/wages than he would like, pre-season to teach the system and then you see how the season goes.

The main thing I want to see addressed is our build-up play, we so often off of our own goal kicks just go wide CB to fullback and they don't see to have any options on the ball and we just hit it upfield under pressure in the corner (where teams want to force you to use the sideline as an extra defender on the press, Klopp and Iraola and others talk about this) and lose possession. Does he have a plan for how we can actually progress the ball?

You watch Inter and Leverkusen, the best team sin the world playing 3 at the back play, and they don't have the build up problems we do. It's probably a mix of personnel and the systems?

Inter have 3 former #10s in midfield (Mkhitaryan-Calhanoglu-Barella) so they can move the ball around without just hoofing it under pressure and when they do have to go longer, they have 2 up top to try to hold it up centrally. We have Ugarte, who has some good qualities, but isn't good on the ball, and we seem to just hoof it into the channels to a lone striker or ask our #10s to hold up the ball, which they can't really do because they don't have the physicality for it - apart from Zirkzee, though he seems to fail to find the ball, could be first season in England or the sheer lack of dog in him.

Leverkusen just seem to have nippy technically sound players around Xhaka, though Ugarte and Andrich have some similarities. We don't have a Xhaka type QB, or someone as good as Wirtz or wingbacks as agile as Grimaldo and Frimpong, so that one might not be comparable, really. We might look better if we can sign quality players like that. It sounds impossible since those 4 would go for about 250M combined (taking into account Xhaka and Grimaldo being older), but Frimpong was 11M and Grimaldo a free so at least at wingback it might be possible. The central quality ball-players seem to cost a ton of money or you get them coming off a bad move like Odegaard or Kovacic or guys like that, not sure who this summer's versions of that would be, maybe Guler? Or whoever the next good Croat is, they seem to be moving for less money these days.

It's pretty dire, really. Maybe it'll start to come together and look different next season.

In terms of next up, I guess I'd want a Barca type to move us towards having actual quality on the ball and ruthlessly getting rid of everyone who doesn't, or Iraola would at leas

Our build-up is horrible. Always the same pattern, even a not so great press can just pin us down.

We need more courage in the players, bravery to trust the system. What's supposed to happen is the team is supposed to form a triangle, the RCB, RWB and RCM, quick one touch passing and involving third man runs. We do it so rarely, always dwelling on the ball.

 

[Insanity]

Onana is definitely a specialist at whatever it is he’s doing on a weekly basis. He’s unmatched in the modern game.

Im sorry Homes, but your feelings on the matter are both misinformed and really don’t address my point. There’s loads of example of young goalkeepers breaking through the ranks when given the chance, and Onana simply hasn’t done anything to warrant automatic selection week after week.

Im not suggesting that we have our next long term keeper waiting in the academy, but how much longer does Amorim persist with someone we know is not the answer long term and is having detrimental effects on our short term success.

You point is stupid, homes. The manager is not going to throw an academy youngster in one of the most specialist position on the pitch. It would be ludicrous.

 

[Ace Krampus]

Already at the "needs more time and his own players" vs "he has to go regardless" phase.

Round and round we go.

Soon there will the emerge the third splinter faction, the "sure we should fire him, but then hire who??" crowd