Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

There’s just been zero progress, not even at individual level for any player across the entire squad, in the last 3 months. Not only we’ve been possibly the worst team in the league during that period, it also seems to be actually getting worse with every game… I really don’t see him turning this around without overhauling the entire squad, which we won’t have the resources for anyway, and besides that I’d be somewhat apprehensive of doing that for a manager who will likely finish the season with below 1 point per game during his tenure here.
 
People need to calm down.

It's been a disaster of a season, but it is what it is. I'm happy to give Amorim a free pass until the end of next season before we start considering bringing in someone else.
 
Cathy Ferguson said:
The real nonsense is the belief that 1-2 new players and a preseason will make a huge difference. I don't think so, we need many more players, which we can't afford. We average 1 p per game and Amorim can't really improve us. We are the new Everton.
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This is sadly the Elephant in the room. If he currently can't get a tune out of this squad in his formation, even 3-4 new players won't make that much of a difference. Yes I'm sure we'll improve after a pre-season and summer window, but what does that improvement look like, finishing 10th or 12th instead of 16th.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
He’s a bit shite isn’t he? Vastly outperformed by ETH with the same squad.

Spin it however you like, his start has been embarrassingly shit, even if he’s an extremely likeable fella.
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Been saying that for weeks now. All talk, nothing on the pitch. Its amazing how he is worse than ETH. Letting him go now will land the management egg squarly in the face, it will be a testament to their incompetence. And the facade marches on. Brace on boys.
 
stevoc said:
I don't know, the club has been talking about selling our most promising Academy players, is pinching pennies everywhere else it can and making people redundant.But somehow they've let Amorim down because he didn't get to sign 3-4 players in January.
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Don’t worry, in another extremely impressive corporate move that most will applaud Ratcliffe will cancel Summer party and use the £25k saving to improve squad.
 
The biggest fear is that we continue in this horrible fashion and he's a dead man walking at the start of next season. First run of bad form and he's out, rinse and repeat this season.

It's stick or twist time, either give him till the end of next season or let him go soon and admit it hasn't worked. Would like to see him get time
 
LeonDion said:
This is neither cult of manager or someone who was vocal ETH out…It is rational and common sense.

The situation current is what it is. We knew appointing Ruben that he would stick to his plan. We knew that Amorim felt it would be very difficult to implement mid season and with players we had at club.
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If that was truly the case then he shouldn't have taken the job because the current squad bar a few will all be here next season.

LeonDion said:
To compound this we had a horrendous transfer window where we ended up in much weaker position than we were before. Since summer we have let following player leave from midfield or attack…

McT
Greenwood
Sancho
Rashford
Martial
Pellistri
DVB
Antony

And replace with Zirkzee. Let that sink in.

Then we have also free 11 first team salaries from finances. Yet somehow according to Rat we have no money and must make more people redundant.

Anyone racing to think this manager is the problem has a problem with head up arse.
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The bolded players were non entities for various reasons, Antony has been about as useful as an Aahtray on a motorbike, McTominay had to go and Rashfords troubles are well documented.

It also has to be said no one forced Amorim to freeze out Rashford and then agree to let him go in January knowing he wasn't getting a replacement, same with Antony. He's also chose to leave Casemiro out in the cold for 3 months but now because of injuries will probably have to rely on him for the rest of the season.
 
stevoc said:
This is sadly the Elephant in the room. If he currently can't get a tune out of this squad in his formation, even 3-4 new players won't make that much of a difference. Yes I'm sure we'll improve after a pre-season and summer window, but what does that improvement look like, finishing 10th or 12th instead of 16th.
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3-4 players that fit a new system and have the necessary quality, can make a huge difference. That’s not to be underestimated. I don’t see you close to competing soon. But a single good transfer window could make a huge difference and see you back in the race for Europe.
 
stevoc said:
This is sadly the Elephant in the room. If he currently can't get a tune out of this squad in his formation, even 3-4 new players won't make that much of a difference. Yes I'm sure we'll improve after a pre-season and summer window, but what does that improvement look like, finishing 10th or 12th instead of 16th.
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I disagree. This squad is a bit of a disaster and there's no player to compensate for it with extreme individual quality. We created plenty of chances yesterday but we just can't score, confidence is rock bottom which also plays in.


A lot better teams have struggled badly when they hit the point where key midfielders are too old, or simply when they lose an integral midfielder (Rodri), so i'm not sure why our collapse with a much worse squad should come as a surprise. Reality is that clubs and squads are overall far more professional than the overall standard used to be and as a result it's easier to get turned over when standards slip.
 
Amorim won't be here January '26. Next season will be the same or worse, and he will either be sacked or leave by mutual consent before that. You can save this post.
 
Castia said:
No but if you’re going to hire him and insist that he joins mid season you then have to wonder what they was expecting. It’s pretty obvious his style and system aren’t suited to this set of players

Everything points to him joining next summer he could have worked with the club to establish targets and let Ruud stay on on the meantime it just seems like a daft decision
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By the same token what was Amorim expecting?

If he thought this set of players wasn't suited to his formation then he shouldn't have taken the job or he should have taken the job but then slowly implemented his system over the next 2 years as and when he got players more suited to it.

Because what's currently happening on the pitch week after week, seems like the result of naivety on the part of the club and Amorim himself.
 
We just need strikers who can score, then it all changes, we created plenty of chances yesterday.
 
NotChatGPT said:
I disagree. This squad is a bit of a disaster and there's no player to compensate for it with extreme individual quality. We created plenty of chances yesterday but we just can't score, confidence is rock bottom which also plays in.


A lot better teams have struggled badly when they hit the point where key midfielders are too old, or simply when they lose an integral midfielder (Rodri), so i'm not sure why our collapse with a much worse squad should come as a surprise. Reality is that clubs and squads are overall far more professional than the overall standard used to be and as a result it's easier to get turned over when standards slip.
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So what exactly are you disagreeing with then?

Do you think 3-4 new players in the summer window will transform this squad under Amorims system into a top 4-6 side?
 
Chipper said:
He did when we were in a more similar position to where are now. The original crop of Fergies Fledglings from around 1988-1990 when we weren't very good at all and he was under pressure for his job at times.

Lee Sharpe 17. Mark Robins, Tony Gill and Deiniol Graham 18. Then there were a few a little older; Russel Beardsmore and Giuliano Maiorana 19, Lee Martin 20.
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Yoro 18, Garnacho 20, Hojlund 21, Dorgu 20, Mainoo 18.

We're talking as if Anorim is only playing 30 year olds. The team is already too young.

Mark Robins was 21 when he scored that goal against Forest. Chido Obi is 17. But I'm sure he will get more game this season anyway.
 
HTG said:
3-4 players that fit a new system and have the necessary quality, can make a huge difference. That’s not to be underestimated. I don’t see you close to competing soon. But a single good transfer window could make a huge difference and see you back in the race for Europe.
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It can make a difference sure, but we're on course to finish 15th or 16th do you really see United under Amorim jumping 10 places up the table next season with just a few new signings?

I don't personally.
 
Amorim has got a shit end of this stick. Ineos is running the club to the ground and you crying over the manager. We get rid of Rashford and Antony and get him no players in January. We expecting goals? Who are the scorers?? This is going to be very painful boys and no manager in the world changes it
 
Bojan11 said:
It means nothing. Look at the counterparts that have won the league like Loputegi, Bruno Lage, Perriera, Jorge Jesus and AVB. How many have been a success outside of Portugal?

McClaren won FC Twente their first league title. Sometimes it works out for managers at specific clubs. Maybe that was the case with Amorim at Sporting.
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I think a lot of fans are starting to think just this plus when you look at his back up team of coaches, they just don’t look right, not at all, it really looks like the blind leading the blind, we have a 29 year old assistant coach and recently turned 40 year old coach that have had one average gig where they struck Gold.

When you are that young, relatively speaking in Football Management and have only ever tasted success, you become stubborn and inflexible because you only know one way, Great coaches have many different strings to their bow, we have the ‘Inflexible’ One but after he departs United, he will become a better more flexible Coach.
 
stevoc said:
So what exactly are you disagreeing with then?

Do you think 3-4 new players in the summer window will transform this squad under Amorims system into a top 4-6 side?
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That it's easy for a manager, any manager, to turn it around as the fundamental issue is still the overall squad.

Don't really understand the massive amount of moaning and bitching, the situation is what it is and it's not going to change quickly. The vast majority wanted the club to decide on a structure that would allow us to bring in managers to fit the structure rather than the manager deciding the structure, causing disruptions every time we sack and hire someone. We've decided on a way forward, we've hired a manager that we think we'll fit into those plans and he was hired mid season into a shitshow that we're trying to turn around. Amorim says he wants to do it in a specific way because he's certain it will benefit us going forward, rather trying to adapt too much, he says he's perfectly aware that there are big risks involved especially related to his job but he wants to stay true to his ideas, which is another thing people kept moaning about in regards to previous managers not sticking to their ideas.

If he ultimately fails or not remains to be seen, but given the overall circumstances there's no reason not to give him time.
 
NotChatGPT said:
People need to calm down.

It's been a disaster of a season, but it is what it is. I'm happy to give Amorim a free pass until the end of next season before we start considering bringing in someone else.
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To the end of next season is a little extreme, but it’s strange how anyone wouldn’t give him this season and a good chunk of the next.
 
AneRu said:
It's criminal for a Manchester United manager to be so scared of using the youth even when we have a functional team. To refuse to use them in these circumstances is unforgivable. What more could we have lost that we haven't lost already?
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i hope someone spoke to him after the game, this is ridiculous.
 
Judas said:
To the end of next season is a little extreme, but it’s strange how anyone wouldn’t give him this season and a good chunk of the next.
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I don't think it's all that extreme. The squad was/is a disaster with very little highlights. If anything i'd say this season was pretty much a write off but valuable in terms of Amorim finding out who he should trust going forward, who he needs to get rid of, key areas to improve and what works/doesn't work in the PL. Then it's up to the sporting structure to identify the right players and bring them in so the situation can be improved. There's a lot of things that need to change overall. Most top clubs will simply have players with enough individual quality to compensate during the rough patches, we certainly don't and confidence is also rock bottom. I thought it was quite telling yesterday when De Ligt passed the ball out for a corner due to not knowing what was around him, despite having 3 teammates fairly close to him, they were just lumbering around and not really interested.
 
When he arrived I said to myself: ok, give him time until end of the March before judging his team performances. Now we are almost at the end of February and we look much worse than under Ten Hag which is saying something. I really hope he turns things around because he's a very nice guy, but he'll have to change something.
 
NotChatGPT said:
I don't think it's all that extreme. The squad was/is a disaster with very little highlights. If anything i'd say this season was pretty much a write off but valuable in terms of Amorim finding out who he should trust going forward, who he needs to get rid of, key areas to improve and what works/doesn't work in the PL. Then it's up to the sporting structure to identify the right players and bring them in so the situation can be improved. There's a lot of things that need to change overall. Most top clubs will simply have players with enough individual quality to compensate during the rough patches, we certainly don't and confidence is also rock bottom. I thought it was quite telling yesterday when De Ligt passed the ball out for a corner due to not knowing what was around him, despite having 3 teammates fairly close to him, they were just lumbering around and not really interested.
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Our squad is better than generating 1 point per game in 14 PL matches. This really isn't that complicated.
 
Red in STL said:
I might be misremembering but isn't that exactly what Leicester did?
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Not team, coach.

2015/16 was Ranieri's first season at Leicester. He didn't go from overseeing a relegation dogfight to title contention. Nigel Pearson got sacked and Ranieri turned the situation on it's head the following season.

I don't remember any coach going from zero to hero over the course of a summer. Players get a view of a manager. Once it's set I can't remember any instance where it massively changes.

If this squad has lost faith in Amorim, just like with Ten Hag, if we go into next season with him it'll fall apart at the first hurdle.

We are not going to buy a dozen players and get rid of a dozen. Even if we did half the squad that's currently at United would remain. To think they'll start 2025/26 full of belief in Amorim is extremely optimistic.
 
VP89 said:
Our squad is better than generating 1 point per game in 14 PL matches. This really isn't that complicated.
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It is better than that and this is a big problem. Though to be fair he inherited from the disaster of ETH the worst squad since Fergie retired. It is totally bereft of top class players, Bruno might scrape into that category but too often he is part of the problem. The rest are just bang average and yet hugely overpaid. The gross mismanagement of the club under the Glazers is laid bare. But now INEOS have made mistakes pretty much as bad as Woodward and co did. But the bottom line for Amorim is that he looks lost and so does the team. We are poor in defence (despite playing 5 defenders), absent in midfield and attack. That was the case even before the latest injuries
 
We're worse than I thought we'd be with Amorim, but I honestly don't think he's to blame - even SAF or prime Pep couldn't win with this squad.

I'll judge Amorim after next season, not this one.
 
VP89 said:
Our squad is better than generating 1 point per game in 14 PL matches. This really isn't that complicated.
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And earlier this season it wasn't much more complicated than replacing Ten Hag and we'd instantly get better because he was holding us back.

For simple people life usually isn't very complicated, there's simple solutions to everything.
 
VP89 said:
Our squad is better than generating 1 point per game in 14 PL matches. This really isn't that complicated.
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We're around the same area as Palace, Everton, West Ham, Brentfrd and Spurs... that is the correct level of our squad.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
We're around the same area as Palace, Everton, West Ham, Brentfrd and Spurs... that is the correct level of our squad.
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None of these teams are getting 1 point per game in the past 14. Well maybe West ham. And Spurs had an injury crisis. So yeah, it's relegation form to put it nicely.

Our squad is also better than quite a few of these teams, made to look far shitter because our coach won't adapt.
 
#07 said:
Not team, coach.

2015/16 was Ranieri's first season at Leicester. He didn't go from overseeing a relegation dogfight to title contention. Nigel Pearson got sacked and Ranieri turned the situation on it's head the following season.

I don't remember any coach going from zero to hero over the course of a summer. Players get a view of a manager. Once it's set I can't remember any instance where it massively changes.

If this squad has lost faith in Amorim, just like with Ten Hag, if we go into next season with him it'll fall apart at the first hurdle.

We are not going to buy a dozen players and get rid of a dozen. Even if we did half the squad that's currently at United would remain. To think they'll start 2025/26 full of belief in Amorim is extremely optimistic.
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The closest example would be Arteta, the first half of his first season was bad and it was cut by the summer window. Now the thing about Arteta is that he was literally a rookie head coach which isn't the case for Amorim but it's the first time that Amorim take over a team without having the ability to prepare the team for months before his first official game. There is a serious possibility that a full preseason changes everything for him.
 
I was in complete agreement with getting rid of Ten Hag. Although I knew next to nothing about Amorim, he seemed to be a good appointment. And I still hope that will be the case.

Yes of course he needs time to bring in the type of players he wants.
But come on. He should be able to at least use the existing squad more effectively to get better results than he has.

Don't think we will get relegated, although that is not a definite.
As others have said, let's judge him next season.
However, with our current financial situation, I don't expect many new signings.
 
VP89 said:
None of these teams are getting 1 point per game in the past 14. Well maybe West ham. And Spurs had an injury crisis. So yeah, it's relegation form to put it nicely.

Our squad is also better than quite a few of these teams, made to look far shitter because our coach won't adapt.
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Since Amorim took over:

13. Brentford – 15pts, GD 0
14. West Ham – 15pts, GD -12
15. Tottenham – 14pts, GD +2
16. Manchester United – 14pts, GD -7
17. Wolves – 13pts, GD -8

Everton only jumped up because of their new manager bounce and being unbeaten in the last 5 - winning 4...
 
He has until the end of the season IMO, iv seen nothing so far to give me any reason to back him in the summer. But he has until the end of the season to prove me wrong.

If we are just as bad, what is the point? If he can't improve what we have than why do we think 3/4 new singings will make any great difference? He will still have to get a tune out of at least 80% of what he currently has, and he currently is getting no tune whatsoever out of it. There is no guarantee 3/4 new singings to fit this managers system/philosophy will make any difference anyway.

Pointless sacking him now, but come end of the season and there has been little to no improvement than there is a decision to make and lets hope if it comes to it, it's not the second summer in a row the board absolutely fluff it up.
 
The first halves need to be much more aggressive and on the front foot. We actually look better when chasing a game and Amorim makes adjustments at half time. But too often we basically sacrifice the first 45 trying to be patient and control the game.
 
NotChatGPT said:
People need to calm down.

It's been a disaster of a season, but it is what it is. I'm happy to give Amorim a free pass until the end of next season before we start considering bringing in someone else.
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Exactly that. It is also not that everything is shit. You can see in some passages of play that idea is there but execution is lacking. This will come. Garnacho for example is one of our prime cultprits in chance execution. He had 3 gilt edged chances vs Tottenham and didn't convert a single one of them. Hojlund totally out of form. Zirkzee blowing hot one game and cold the other. Same with Bruno. Casemiro in retirement home. Ugarte, Mainoo unavailable. Amad, Mount unavailable etc. We concede lots of goals when there is some kind of lucky deflection in the build up. We cannot catch a break recently. But we need to do a through cleansing of the squad however painful that needs to be. Give Amorim time. This season focus on cups.

Also looking at Liverpool vs Wolves game (and we forget about all the soft pens refs gave and try to gave them and all the fouls and cards not pulled for them by the same ref) when they were in ascension they looked comfortable, but when put under a slightest bit of pressure towards end of the game they were shook panicked etc. Our players are currently rattled, defense under pressure for 90% of the game, lot of injured players. It is logical they will be nervous. We will come around. We we also see which players have the mental fortitude to play for us.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Since Amorim took over:

13. Brentford – 15pts, GD 0
14. West Ham – 15pts, GD -12
15. Tottenham – 14pts, GD +2
16. Manchester United – 14pts, GD -7
17. Wolves – 13pts, GD -8

Everton only jumped up because of their new manager bounce and being unbeaten in the last 5 - winning 4...
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And as I said, Spurs had an injury crisis, with our squad being better on paper than every other team you've named. Our manager is just doing a bad job with them. I don't understand why we don't call a spade a spade - a lot of these players are not average in quality.
 
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