Yes indeed. His system with substandard players is easy to play against, and every manager has already worked out how to beat us. For his system to succeed (and this is part of the laughable idea we are winning the league in 2028) he needs best in class players. They have to outshine Liverpool and Man City and fecking Forest now, because the system is not flexible and he is not adaptable. We are not getting best in class reinforcements while skint.I'm personally much more annoyed by the stubbornness than the actual system. I'd be disappointed in any manager, regardless of formation, taking pride in claiming he won't change no matter what
We've had the same complaint about all of our managers post-SAF. I have to assume that there's some reason they do this, and that the answer isn't that all of them have collectively known less about management than every random guy off the Caf. But I couldn't say what the reason actually is.He hardly makes early subs.
He always tends to make most after 70 mins when we are trying to grab a goal for a draw rather than early on so we have 45 mins to try and go for the win.
No, cannot agree with this. He removed Z against Newcastle in the first half, and if I recall correctly, has made subs before the 60th minute many times, and at HTs.He hardly makes early subs.
He always tends to make most after 70 mins when we are trying to grab a goal for a draw rather than early on so we have 45 mins to try and go for the win.
He is a very reserved manager who I think is more like a Simeone for a team like Atletico Madrid trying to compete with Barcelona and Madrid - but in most seasons will end up 2nd or 3rd compared to a more free flowing team.
I haven't seen any ability for him to manage Barcelona for example without thinking that alot of their players don't fit his system because well, he only plays his system 100% of the time.
No, cannot agree with this. He removed Z against Newcastle in the first half, and if I recall correctly, has made subs before the 60th minute many times, and at HTs.
This thread these days is mostly just sheep lapping up the negativity of the media …
They changed a few things but fundamentally they were playing gegenpressing and posession football from the very start. So yes he should change some things for better results without abandoning his core. I dont know how to do that though because some players are total mismatch or simply not good enough.I was back and forth on this before, but I think now I want him to try to change something. Rigidly sticking to your set tactics even when things are on fire around you does not make sense.
Pep changed things from his Barcelona team to his city team. Klopp changed things from his time at Dortmund to Liverpool. If the two best managers of this generation are willing to adapt, how can our manager not be?! Ancelotti played a wide variety of different systems between Milan, Chelsea and Real.
Being rigidly stuck to one idea of playing surely can't be the way forward if even managers who conquered the world setting up and playing in one particular way have been willing to change it?
And from those 4 wins:
Everton - Rashford brace
City - Amad individual brilliance
Southampton - Amad individual brilliance
Fulham - luckiest deflected goal
So you're saying if you start a new job and you get given a laptop from 2005 and you can't get your work out on time because it's a hunk of junk, that you should just maximize the tools at your disposal? And when you're late with your data analyses or reports, you should suck it up and nobody should wait till you get a better machine to work with to see what you can actually do? We can all argue in extremes but patience is not just waiting till you feel unhappy, but waiting till the time given reasonably matches the magnitude of the task. Cleaning a house is different from renovating one.The JD of a manager includes improving the team and effectively motivating them to get results. Amorim has done neither. We've learnt from ten Hag that splashing the cash on a manager's favorite players isn't always the solution, the manager must maximize the tools at his disposal. Can we categorically say our team/players are worse than the 14 teams above us? Tbf, we shouldn't be 15th, this players are capable of much better. The manager's tactics has hamstrung them, they are shackled. Patience is all good, but we must be seen to be moving in the right direction, at this rate, it's backwards pal. Backwards. Hojlund is a willing runner, he works hard, he just needs a better system. Zirkzee has shown he has the footwork to be a technical footballer, a lot of these new signings aren't lazy but the system is ridiculing their ability. Amorim needs to shape up or ship out.
And they are incapable of understanding why all of this is happeningWhat does the media have to do with any of this?
People are watching Manchester United GAMES and are reacting to what they’ve seen.
They changed a few things but fundamentally they were playing gegenpressing and posession football from the very start. So yes he should change some things for better results without abandoning his core. I dont know how to do that though because some players are total mismatch or simply not good enough.
That's bollocks. Had a bad game but without him no one creates chances.Until he figures out his captain is a liability he will never have the control he desires from his team. We're doing nothing in the league anyways. I'd drop Bruno for the rest of the league games and give the others a chance to play without that black hole. Then sell him, Onana, Casemiro and a few others in the summer and start with a clean slate.
And they are incapable of understanding why all of this is happening
Because we are the worst attacking team in the league.And they are incapable of understanding why all of this is happening
I see this differently, Bruno is not our problem, infact he's our best player. He's been played out of position fro crying out loud, and I'm sure if Amorim wasn't Portuguese Bruno would have started voicing out his frustration. Why handicap your team by playing a swashbuckling player like Bruno in CM/DM when he should be orchestrating attacks in the hole? Please don't get carried away, Antony is thriving in Betis already simply because of a system change. We shouldn't sell off our best players because a manager (or managers) have made them look terrible. No matter how poor a scout is, they won't recommend we spend £84 on Antony if there wasn't a player in there... And he's stated showing his quality again. Amorim needs to be humble and take corrections, at this rate we getting relegated (It's unbelievable I'm mentioning relegation. Wow!)Until he figures out his captain is a liability he will never have the control he desires from his team. We're doing nothing in the league anyways. I'd drop Bruno for the rest of the league games and give the others a chance to play without that black hole. Then sell him, Onana, Casemiro and a few others in the summer and start with a clean slate.
Exactly I truly like Ruben, but sometimes ‘Less is More’, he just can’t shut up can he;I am not sure if he should be saying that to the media to look for sympathy.
Agreed. If they take out one single dollar as dividen, fans should protest hardcoreStarting with the leeches. Their criminal mismanagement of this great club is the root cause of all the ills.
Just look at this thread itself and the amount of tweets / youtube vids / journalist opinions that get posted and the reactions people give. Then, tell me honestly that media has NOTHING to do with how people perceive our current situation. Like it or not, unless you have incredible self-control and the most rational mind in human history, we will all develop biases and viewpoints influenced by media / social media.What does the media have to do with any of this?
People are watching Manchester United GAMES and are reacting to what they’ve seen.
Why not sub them then? Not like you are subbing Cristiano and Van der Sar,I don’t know, if Garnacho could hit a barn door today, Onana didn’t have weak wrists and our midfield two didn’t go wandering all over the place we would have got something from it.
Sub them for who exactly?Why not sub them then? Not like you are subbing Cristiano and Van der Sar,
We didn’t get ‘Best in Class’ in the boardroom either, Berada and Brailsford are chatting about project 21 and they could be the main reason we are in the championship next season.Yes indeed. His system with substandard players is easy to play against, and every manager has already worked out how to beat us. For his system to succeed (and this is part of the laughable idea we are winning the league in 2028) he needs best in class players. They have to outshine Liverpool and Man City and fecking Forest now, because the system is not flexible and he is not adaptable. We are not getting best in class reinforcements while skint.
And that’s the problem.
Why not sub them then? Not like you are subbing Cristiano and Van der Sar,
Is that the same Anthony that our scouts had previously said he was only worth 25 to 30 million? The only reason we wasted so much money on him was because Ten Hag insisted on wanting him. We could of gotten Kudas or Gakpo for a lot less than what we paid for him.I see this differently, Bruno is not our problem, infact he's our best player. He's been played out of position fro crying out loud, and I'm sure if Amorim wasn't Portuguese Bruno would have started voicing out his frustration. Why handicap your team by playing a swashbuckling player like Bruno in CM/DM when he should be orchestrating attacks in the hole? Please don't get carried away, Antony is thriving in Betis already simply because of a system change. We shouldn't sell off our best players because a manager (or managers) have made them look terrible. No matter how poor a scout is, they won't recommend we spend £84 on Antony if there wasn't a player in there... And he's stated showing his quality again. Amorim needs to be humble and take corrections, at this rate we getting relegated (It's unbelievable I'm mentioning relegation. Wow!)
I see this differently, Bruno is not our problem, infact he's our best player. He's been played out of position fro crying out loud, and I'm sure if Amorim wasn't Portuguese Bruno would have started voicing out his frustration. Why handicap your team by playing a swashbuckling player like Bruno in CM/DM when he should be orchestrating attacks in the hole? Please don't get carried away, Antony is thriving in Betis already simply because of a system change. We shouldn't sell off our best players because a manager (or managers) have made them look terrible. No matter how poor a scout is, they won't recommend we spend £84 on Antony if there wasn't a player in there... And he's stated showing his quality again. Amorim needs to be humble and take corrections, at this rate we getting relegated (It's unbelievable I'm mentioning relegation. Wow!)
Of course we'd create chances. Bruno is not a top level player , never was. The sooner Amorim and united fans realise that the better. He's on high wages and he's trending to get worse. Modern football doesn't allow for basically a b tech Riquelme if you want to compete at the top level. Whether he's our best player now is irrelevant, he is also often our worst player. Give me a Gary Nevilles consistency over a Bruno Fernandes ventricular fibrillation any day.That's bollocks. Had a bad game but without him no one creates chances.
Whoa, stop making sense. Don't you know you have to come here with torches and pitchforks?So you're saying if you start a new job and you get given a laptop from 2005 and you can't get your work out on time because it's a hunk of junk, that you should just maximize the tools at your disposal? And when you're late with your data analyses or reports, you should suck it up and nobody should wait till you get a better machine to work with to see what you can actually do? We can all argue in extremes but patience is not just waiting till you feel unhappy, but waiting till the time given reasonably matches the magnitude of the task. Cleaning a house is different from renovating one.
1) Can we categorically say our team/players are worse than the 14 teams above us? - Yes, I'd say we can just about categorically say our team is worse than the 14 above us. We might have a couple of better individuals but as a whole we are a mish mash of failed regimes and one guy's fixation for very average ex-players from the Dutch league. We were 13th when Amorim came in this season, and had underlying stats of 15th place last season. If that's not enough, the eye test of our players failing 5 yard passes, and missing open goals tells me that too.
2) The manager's tactics has hamstrung them, they are shackled - That's a reach. So Ten Hag also shackled them then? Because they weren't much better before in a 4-2-3-1 / 4-3-3 / 4-Donut-1.
3) Hojlund is a willing runner, he works hard, he just needs a better system - Hojlund is a very average young player who could reasonably improve in a better environment/team, but he has shown from his wrestling with defenders, misplacing passes and never being in a position to score that at this point in time, he would struggle to hold down a starting position at Southampton.
4) Zirkzee has shown he has the footwork to be a technical footballer - I agree with this, and unlike Hojlund, he is showing it even in Amorim's system.
We could keep changing managers until we find someone who works out, just like any other football club does.Just theoretically.
Say we sack Amorim and get another hot shot in charge, and the downward spiral continues.
What do we do then?
There are still people here who somehow think we'll spend ~£200m net in the summer.
Football is an entirety different beast to that of the late 80s/early 90s.He did when we were in a more similar position to where are now. The original crop of Fergies Fledglings from around 1988-1990 when we weren't very good at all and he was under pressure for his job at times.
Lee Sharpe 17. Mark Robins, Tony Gill and Deiniol Graham 18. Then there were a few a little older; Russel Beardsmore and Giuliano Maiorana 19, Lee Martin 20.
Sack him of course! And sack all the groundsmen and catering staff as well to pay for itJust theoretically.
Say we sack Amorim and get another hot shot in charge, and the downward spiral continues.
What do we do then?
"His new LWB started"....well I for one am shocked that a 20yo LWB making his first appearance in the PL didn't totally transform us into an elite football team. Can't believe Amorim has spent over £20m and still can't get this team performing.It’s not simply coming away empty handed, it’s the swervable errors he keeps making that contribute to those losses. Teething pain implied it would take some weeks to adapt this squad.
Today his new LWB started but we weren’t any better. If we are all onboard with teething pain, why didn’t he put the kids on, since he knew we’d let it slide? Instead, he played the starters 91 minutes and about 25 minutes after they were totally gassed.
W4 D2 L8 in the league.
