I understand he has a system, but to me a system should be flexible depending on circumstances not rigid no matter what.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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To me that’s a major flaw of Amorim and likely why Liverpool didn’t pursue a move for him. He has to be pragmatic at this stage and it doesn’t necessarily have to be for the long term. Finishing 16th after taking over a club that was 4 pts from 4th is just absolutely unacceptable.
Do you do air crashes?
I think he is an outstanding candidate but he would need at least 5 players in the summer to sort this squad out
Yep you’re right, why would he ?
Does anyone think we would have got 14 points from 14 games with Thomas Frank as manager playing 4-2-3-1? I don't think so. But he wasn't a sexy enough choice.
Fully agreed.
However, the question arises whether we should spend a truck load of money in the summer with him as the manager? Or should we expect an improvement this season before we decide to do that. A manager inevitably will have some input and gives the desired positions and profiles he is looking to strengthen.
Not going to happen. He will be here next season. Two reasons. First he got the backing of Ineos and they always knew this season was going to be painful. Second they can’t afford to even if they wanted to fire him.
Our club has been treated bad for over a decade and the results of that is what you see right now.
Agreed
This must be how Liverpool felt after the eighties. Well, minus the perms and shell suits obviously. I guess that means in twenty more years we'll be one of the best teams in the world again and managed by some cnut with plastic teeth.
He's had 1 good season in the last 4. How anyone can think he hasn't had enough chances I honestly can't fathom
February and March fixtures are Everton (a), Ipswich (h), Fulham (h- in the FA Cup), Europa league 1st, leg Arsenal (h), Europa League 2nd leg, Leicester (a),
It's yet to be seen whether he's the right man. What he has done whether by choice or not, is further expose the heirachy and players at his disposal.
Was given an ultimatum by the club to become the manager, when he really wanted to join in the summer. He knew the size of the task and they obviously knew his philosophy when persuing him.
Club have shafted him big time if they dont give him the summer window. It's painful to watch us right now, he told us, we would suffer as fans. He's been brutal and honest because that's the reality of the club.
He's managing a group of players who have been pretty awful for the last manager, and some of them were even worse for previous managers. And some of us are expecting this to all have turned around magically.
The club is rotten and it needs a reset to be succesful again, not a second place finish way off the leaders, not a carabao or fa cup to mask over the cracks. A proper reset.
Was given an ultimatum by the club to become the manager, when he really wanted to join in the summer. He knew the size of the task and they obviously knew his philosophy when persuing him.
Club have shafted him big time if they dont give him the summer window. It's painful to watch us right now, he told us, we would suffer as fans. He's been brutal and honest because that's the reality of the club.
He's managing a group of players who have been pretty awful for the last manager, and some of them were even worse for previous managers. And some of us are expecting this to all have turned around magically.
The club is rotten and it needs a reset to be succesful again, not a second place finish way off the leaders, not a carabao or fa cup to mask over the cracks. A proper reset.
We lose to Everton and Ipswich and he's probably gone.
Don't think Amad has improved, but he's been given more time under Amorim to shine. The other two may have improved slightly but still nowhere near what we need.
But generally if he's relying on players who he doesn't rate, then we're fecked, because there's no way we're buying him a new squad in the summer.
Perhaps would have done us a favour to be fair.
Instead he took the opportunity to manage us knowing full well for at least 6 months it would be a failure - he essentially said so himself. Relying on ego to convince us all it will come good.
Now here we are hoping his one size fits all tactic eventually becomes a success.
You'd think so. But then what if the club literally can't afford to sack and replace him before the summer?
I am coming to the conclusion that he only knows one way and on top of that there is almost no flexibility inside that system and is very rigid. Which top manager was this rigid and survived at top for long? I cant think of any.
This is how we felt from 1968 onward, bar a few seasons when we looked like we were on the way back, but the board managed to screw that up too.
£13m is what it would cost. He only signed a 2.5 year deal.
I am sure that wasn't the only consideration. The question they would have asked themselves is whether he has the capability to win us the league in the next 3-4 years while rebuilding the team and playing good football.
Who'd take the job? Seriously, what manager who has any sort of a reputation would want to replace Amorim? I can think of maybe one. McKenna.
feck off. He's part of the reason we're in this fecking mess in the first place. We've stuck with him for far too long because he was the poster boy and yet he hasn't put the effort in here for years.
Absolute tosh.
It’s concerning. There doesn’t appear to be any improvement at all. Injuries and the new formation are valid but it doesn’t look like there is any light at the end of the tunnel. With it being unlikely that he’ll get half a team in the summer, perhaps a coach so locked into a system isn’t going to work.
But surely he'll have experience of loads of different systems from his time as a player? I find the uber-dogmatic approach really weird for someone so young. I understand old managers being stuck in their ways but Amorim's just turned 40!
He is at a club with ambitious owners who will back him financially and he has their full support.
Why would he leave that to come to a club that have far less ambitious owners, who won't back him and take on tremendous pressure. Because of the name Manchester United?
That name used to stand for ambition and backing, without those elements I don't think our heritage makes a nailed on choice for players or managers. In fact, even more so with managers whereby you will look how badly previous manager careers have been damaged here.
Oh, and our facilities are crap.
I imagine he would be afraid of it working and putting pressure on him to switch to a back 4 permanently if we lose the next game/s using 353/541
Liverpool were never this bad. Their lowest point was Hodgson and Andy Carroll, and that's still nowhere near as low as where we're at now
I'd agree if it was this was season that Rashford started to drop off and not care....but he turned Rashford a long time ago. Amorim was the one who saw right through his bullshit and got rid of him. We don't know what goes on the training pitch, or in the dressing room, Rashford could of been having a negative affect on other players.
That assumes they'd pay out his entire contract, which almost never happens.
Yeah that's it, must feel pretty suffocating. Also right, no one drink toilet duck... yet.
Genuinely puzzled that there are some turning on him. Open your eyes lads.
Absolutely a key point in all this for me. What’s the Plan B if they buy players for his way and it continues to go pear shaped? Because the lack of foresight on that front has been an issue for years.
Hmmm. Not good.
I know right, but don't tell me Moyes, Fellaini, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger or Fred keep us from winning a PL game right now.
At what?
Don't knock it if you haven't tried it.
So he can't like sub a defender for a midfielder or something when we are losing? Must it always be five defenders on the pitch? What have we gotten ourselves into?
Why do people keep clinging on to this?
There is zero, zero, ZERO chance of winning the Europa League. I have no faith in us managing to win another game all season, let alone stringing together consecutive wins against European teams, and winning a final.
We'll limp out of the EL against the first half-decent, street smart team we come across, and if we're lucky we'll finish 16th or 17th in the PL.
We might look back on this and laugh in a couple of years' time if Amorim has us top of the league, but I just don't think he will get the time. If the fans turn on him it's over, and he'll have lost a lot of faith today.
I was one of those who said he wouldn't be a good fit for our club. And some people accused me of being biased because he was ex-Sporting manager.
I also said that at least things couldn't get any worst than what they were under ETH because I was actually expecting an improvement. And boy, how wrong could I be?
I also said that at least things couldn't get any worst than what they were under ETH because I was actually expecting an improvement. And boy, how wrong could I be?