I think it's more the fact that the club seemingly can't afford to sack him. There's no money left to pay severance or hire a new coach.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Same here. Let’s enjoy that mate.
He’ll get 4/5 games to show improvement than he’ll get the dreaded vote of confidence and then he’ll get a pre season and then the excuses have to stop.
The only good thing he has done in 3 months is giving Amad a chance. Our game hasn't improved at all.
The question is if INEOS still believe in him enough to support him in the summer or start looking for a new head coach.
The question is if INEOS still believe in him enough to support him in the summer or start looking for a new head coach.
Any serious club would've have fired him by now.
Amorim should get some criticism together with players. We all knew that Hojlund will not score. Throw Obi from 70' and let's see what happen.
Still think that our system is somehow weird. It looks like we are missing player in offensive phase.
Still think that our system is somehow weird. It looks like we are missing player in offensive phase.
Tuchel and Conte won big trophies with this same system. Arteta adopted to 3 at the back because initially it suited Arsenal's players.
It's not about the system but moreso tactics and personnel. Amorim should be doing better imo but had alot of injuries
I really don’t buy the criticism of the system. Put these players into any formation and we’d have the same problems.
Hilarious and ironic how so many of the posters who complain endlessly about "toxicity" and "divisiveness" end up spewing the "you're not a real fan, go support City" nonsense.
I do feel sorry for the guy and think he would work well elsewhere with proper backing. He just won't get it here and yes it will take time to put this team right, but in the meantime other teams that are better than us now will also be improving. We are fecked as a club. The hope of seeing some of the kids today gave me some anticipation, but alas I was denied that as well.
It's blunt, but there's truth in it. I think many narratives have been spun, by media, opps, etc. that fans have latched onto and that's the disappointing part. We rip ourselves apart as they watch and laugh....
Perhaps yes, but it's a bit rich to cpomplain about toxicity within the fanbase and then add to it.
We should just cut our losses and go for Iraola.
He’s fecked it. The lack of goals is down to his system and he’s not changed it. Nice guy or not, his stubborn approach will see us relegated or just avoid, but either way he’s not got what it is to make us even competitive in games, let alone competitions. Our only hope is he fecks off when he realises how poor he is and tries to salvage his reputation. He knows the club can’t sack him. What a club.
I don’t understand this narrative of the writing the season off.
As a club from Ineos to the manager and down, how can you sit there and say “We are writing this season off before Christmas” and then up the ticket prices?
As a club from Ineos to the manager and down, how can you sit there and say “We are writing this season off before Christmas” and then up the ticket prices?
No serious football club would hire him mid season knowing he plays a certain way and we can’t back him to implement the system
He asked to come next summer and we said no what the feck can he do with that squad he rightfully isn’t going to change a system he was hired to implement
There’s a load of people within the INEOS setup who are fecking clearly clueless it’s been a shit show
Well he's not getting sacked any time soon so that's all any of us can do really.
This. Short term suffering is acceptable if Amorim is showing some redeeming features. The fact is that there aren't any redeeming features to this dull, defensive style of football from a manager who seemingly has no faith in academy players either.
I'm not saying that he should permanently change his formation, but it would be nice if he could adapt a little so that we could get enough points not to get relegated. Realistically we only need 7-8 more points. Our players can play better than they do in this system.
I think that's fair. I'm guessing everyone watching felt a goal was coming.
I was a big fan of Amorim at Sporting, but I don’t understand persisting with the same formation in a new club that doesn’t have the players for it. That’s almost admitting you can’t coach any other formation.
He should be switching to 3-4-3 when he has the players for it but right now he doesn’t.
He should be switching to 3-4-3 when he has the players for it but right now he doesn’t.
I don't hate him for not using youngsters and we do have injuries. But we have been s*ite without the injury crisis as well and this should not become another excuse.
What is the bar for Amorim? He just doesn't have to achieve anything? We need to just be happy with 15th place and no improvement whatsoever on the field? There is not a single sign at the moment that this system works and if we invest in players he likes in the summer there is no guarantee that the system starts to work.
I know there are no easy decisions here; of course no need to sack the guy because there are no replacements. But I would think hard before giving him another season if this doesn't improve.
What is the bar for Amorim? He just doesn't have to achieve anything? We need to just be happy with 15th place and no improvement whatsoever on the field? There is not a single sign at the moment that this system works and if we invest in players he likes in the summer there is no guarantee that the system starts to work.
I know there are no easy decisions here; of course no need to sack the guy because there are no replacements. But I would think hard before giving him another season if this doesn't improve.
I understand he works with crap players. I understand the injuries. I understand the losses to big teams. I respect his decision not to throw in youth.
But I don't understand why we struggled even against teams like Bodo, Rangers and Viktoria in the Europa we should be dominating. Or Palace. Or struggling against Leicester who are almost rock bottom.'
Or maybe I do. Amorim is not tactically competent. His selections are off even when he has all players and his system leaves so much spaces that it doesn't translate well in this league. My personal opinion is that it isn't all his fault, but he must be let go.
We cannot rebuild under a coach who is another gamble at best. Only if we have the right coach, can we spend in the summer bravely to get the players he needs. We should let Amorim leave by mutual agreement and get in Simone Inzaghi. Not only is he proven at the highest level and has a back 3/back 5 system that works, Italian managers are also masters of rebuilding teams and generally successful in the premier league.
But I don't understand why we struggled even against teams like Bodo, Rangers and Viktoria in the Europa we should be dominating. Or Palace. Or struggling against Leicester who are almost rock bottom.'
Or maybe I do. Amorim is not tactically competent. His selections are off even when he has all players and his system leaves so much spaces that it doesn't translate well in this league. My personal opinion is that it isn't all his fault, but he must be let go.
We cannot rebuild under a coach who is another gamble at best. Only if we have the right coach, can we spend in the summer bravely to get the players he needs. We should let Amorim leave by mutual agreement and get in Simone Inzaghi. Not only is he proven at the highest level and has a back 3/back 5 system that works, Italian managers are also masters of rebuilding teams and generally successful in the premier league.
Think for Amorim to come in you needed the basis of a squad to play his system, we have barely given him that. The timing of his appointment was all wrong and that is down to the folks running the club. I am convinced there are too many wanting to be in SJR's ear and they are not on the same page.
It's not though is it, we've just created a hatful of chances. The lack of goals is down to our crap forward players.
No. I want Amorim to show why he's the guy. He's fecking himself over right now with some of the decisions but he's in a new league that he's underestimated.... Yes, he is going to have to adapt, at least for the near term.
The board fecked up leaving him so short and not doing their jobs so that he can do his job.
Yep I'm not sure how they imagine it will help with anything in any way to act the top red and tell people to support someone else.
FFs......yeah and at what minute of the match did they come on, and was the sun out,overcast or rainy?We won't get relegated, there's too big a points gap.
On the lack of goals, we weren't scoring many under ETH
I honestly think people are misdirected in their anger. It should be towards the ownership. Glazers for 2 decades of neglect and INEOS for being the golden goose that kept the glazers at the club for years to come.
If only he starts calling journalists “mate”, he might get a little more leeway and grace.
He’s not going to make it. After a while regardless of the circumstances you have look at him. He’s a manager for a reason. Manage.
Without delving into whether Amorim is clueless or not, Head Coaches should not be given a fortune to spend anyway. That needs to be the domain of the Sporting Director, Director of Recruitment, scouts and analysts, and finally the Chief Executive, Director of Negotiations, contract lawyers and intermediaries. Even someone as accomplished as Ancelotti is not given a fortune to spend at Real Madrid. Why should someone with little recruitment expertise (at the top level of the sport) be afforded the luxury of building the squad to his liking at a critical juncture for the club, especially when we are currently paying a heavy price for indulging the previous manager in the mercato?
The thing I don't get is why is he so insistent that his system is the only way to play?
Does he believe it has some special magic that makes it better than other systems? No one else seems to think that.
Does he think he's incapable of coaching other systems? That would be really worrying for someone who is supposedly a top coach.
How has such a young coach somehow decided they've solved football and every other coach has it wrong? What's made him so stubborn? Too much success too early?
Does he believe it has some special magic that makes it better than other systems? No one else seems to think that.
Does he think he's incapable of coaching other systems? That would be really worrying for someone who is supposedly a top coach.
How has such a young coach somehow decided they've solved football and every other coach has it wrong? What's made him so stubborn? Too much success too early?
We're all frustrated and angry - all of us, mate. It's no surprise that the match going fans are feeling the same. These are professional footballers who keep forgetting or messing up the basics. Ultimately they're just a symptom and not the root cause but unfortunately they're the ones on the pitch and not the Glazers or Sir Jim.
I imagine the players are wishing the earth would just swallow them up. Probably everyone at the club. We went from being used to winning, to not being used to winning, to being consistently shit in the space of a decade. It's a massive culture shock and then when you factor in how it must feel for everyone working in that environment (including the ones worried they're going to lose their jobs next). Shit situation all round to be honest. Time to break out the toilet duck*.....
*Toilet Duck is not a viable alternative to other drinks that are on the market. Do not drink Toilet Duck.
I was of this view as well but there is a limit to this futility we’re experiencing at the moment. 8 losses in 12 league games is absolutely unacceptable for a club of our stature. He has to at some point prioritize getting results and focus on pushing thru his philosophy and tactics in the summer.
Yes the truth is there is a lot of toxicity within the fanbase and that post was ironically a classic example of it manifesting.
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The goal is not to get the best out of this squad, it's to build a team that can compete in the future. If we are to succeed we need to build a team and a system for the long run. Players that are not good enough or not able to adapt needs to be moved on and replaced. If we finish 8th or 15th this season doesn't matter as long as we have a plan and stick to it. A decade of making panic changes and not having a long term plan is the exact reason we are in this mess.
It has been crap, no denying it. He is going to need some of these players to adapt to his system to get him to the point where he can identify and secure more suited players, but constantly losing is not sustainable, never going to build any confidence within the squad that his system is the way forward.
Not sacking Ten Hag after the FA Cup final was absurd and made this inevitable.
Not sacking Ten Hag after the FA Cup final was absurd and made this inevitable.
Amad & Ugarte certainly have. Zirkzee now looking much better, a case for Harry to have stepped up. The rest probably not.
He’s now relying on players who know he doesn’t rate them. So they’re never going to run through walls for him. One player doesn’t give 100% and the team is screwed.
Who'd have thought the general mood on the biggest United forum would reflect the toxic state of the club