Rashford gave up on the previous manager and the club before he was even here
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Yep
. So to say we cant afford to change manager isnt correct.
I always knew results would be inconsistent, but the bare minimum I expected from Amorim was visible player improvement and better performances.
Unfortunately, we haven’t really seen either. You could argue that Amad has improved, but he barely played under Ten Hag, so it’s hard to make a fair comparison.
If I were the owners, I’d be hesitant to hand him a big transfer budget when he hasn’t yet shown convincing progress on the pitch. If a manager needs an entirely new squad before delivering noticeable improvement, that raises serious questions about their adaptability.
Unfortunately, we haven’t really seen either. You could argue that Amad has improved, but he barely played under Ten Hag, so it’s hard to make a fair comparison.
If I were the owners, I’d be hesitant to hand him a big transfer budget when he hasn’t yet shown convincing progress on the pitch. If a manager needs an entirely new squad before delivering noticeable improvement, that raises serious questions about their adaptability.
We have only seen the formation so far. I don't actually see any dogma in the style of football. The biggest issue for me is that we haven't been able to play any kid of coherent football, even in brief spells. Most of our players have no idea what to do and I haven't seen anything different or us playing as a team. We look like a bunch of individuals on the pitch.
Remember those deluded Liverpool fans from the 90s? Very entitled bunch...
That's our lot now.
Sacking him is pointless because no manager can get a good enough tune out of squad with only 10 decent footballers, especially when half of them are injured.
Not turning on him but what did he have to lose today by playing Chido at, say 75 minutes. Rasmus was never going to get a sniff of a goal. He was risk-averse in a game in which taking a risk may have saved the points.
Not going to happen. He will get a serious chance from a brand new season.
And there we have it, an inexperienced CEO appointed an Inexperienced PL Coach over an experienced DOF who didn’t agree with the decision, even if we had kept ETH and he stayed at 1.3 points per game we would only have 34 points and fans would be going crazy and ETH spent £600m, Ruben hasn’t spent more than £30m.
Dan Ashworth was the right man but never had the support to do his job And that was SJR fault, maybe INEOS are so skint they sell their shares and just leave they’ve made the Glazers look like great owners on the football pitch in 12 months of their horrendous football decisions!
He shouldn't be the one handed a transfer budget regardless of how well he's doing. Haven't we learned this lesson already?
A coach rigidly sticking to one formation has always been a red flag for me. In my 35 years of watching football 343/352 comes back into fashion at least once a decade, then it falls out of favour again. While the formation doesn't matter as much as some think, really a manager should be more than just one formation. Amorim will eventually realize to have a long successful career at the top of football he will have to become more adaptable.
You can still be wrong. Quote me when you got this right next season.
Whats the excuse before the injuries?
This is the first time I've felt a little concerned because a lot of my optimism about Amorim and how things would go was based on your descriptions of how things went with him at Sporting and the optimism you showed
giving up the main domestic competition entirely is what you do in march when you lose your 2 best defenders, midfielder and striker for the rest of the season. we were already at that point in november basically.
saying nothing matters until august is coping. the players won't magically click after 6 months of bad performances just because we all agreed that we aren't going the expect anything this season.
it doesn't matter who is at fault for this, it simply doesn't work that way.
saying nothing matters until august is coping. the players won't magically click after 6 months of bad performances just because we all agreed that we aren't going the expect anything this season.
it doesn't matter who is at fault for this, it simply doesn't work that way.
It's goals. It's so hard to play good football consistently throughout 90 mins when you can't score and are always behind.
Garnacho scores today, Onana doesn't do his thing and the game has a very different vibe. I think we win fairly easily.
My worry with Amorim is why is he not switching his system to be more practical when he's clearly struggling? What if we buy the 3-4 players that suit his system, they all get injured and he continues to press on with this doomed 3-4-3 like he's doing right now? There's also the lingering question of whether this system suits the intensity of the Prem, it'd hard to be certain since the players we have aren't built for it but it's still concerning.
Don't need to look far. Amorim did with Nwaneri. In our case ETH with Garnacho (or was that Ole?), Rashford under LVG, SAF multiple times, macheda for 30 mins for his famous winner for example.
Absolutely spot on for me.
I can't think of a United manager who hasn't.
Exactly. None of them would succeed. We’ve seen this all before.
100%. We are far more of a banter club than they ever were. Even at their lowest they always gave us a game. Anfield was a terrible place to be go. I won't even talk about some of the results we've had against them in the last few years. But they never collapsed against our best like that.
Open our eyes to what? The points per game we've had under Amorim is relegation form. The idea it will all just turn around after preseason seems optimistic. Our finances are shot and the bulk of the players we have now will be with us next season, still struggling to execute and buy into Amorim. So why should we believe it's all going to just turn on it's head?
We don't have a team of world beaters but it's not relegation fodder. If we had a coach who played to the strengths of our squad not it's weaknesses we might not be staring down the barrel. A low bar? Sure. But look where we are.
This is just as predictable as Ten Hag's end. Nobody believes in the guy and second it goes wrong next season it'll be free fall. What is the point in trying to act like we ain't seen this play out before.
Won big trophies where?
In Chelsea? Right?.
Ranieri won PL in Leicester should we copy him?
Di Matteo won UCL should we copy his tactis, or what is the criteria of choosing the big titles to emulate?
Tactis is System. The structure.
Amorim System or Tactis is playing with 5 DEFENDERS.
That is his system , that is his tactis. If not, we would have played otherwise.
Football game has 11 players. Remove 5 defenders. Add GoalKeeper. You have 6 defenders, players who are not expected to score.
You have 5 more players to attack and score goals.
Add another defensive midfield. Thats 7 players.
You have only 4 players at best to attack and construct a positive attack.
You wonder why we dont score or even create attacking patterns. We have only 4 players who should create attacks against opposition team.
That is the tactics or the system or the structure of back 3. Thats why its not used by elite managers. And its biggest -ve attribute is no where has it been used consistently and delivered success. One time success happens. Like Leicester and Chelsea 2012 or Chelsea 2021. But consistently winning trophies wingbacks will never cut it.
Even Conte now is not using wingbacks and it will usually deliver the league title.
Are fans not allowed to hold a manager accountable? Its not like they are asking questions because Amorim has us 2 places outside the top 4....they are asking questions because he has us 2 places above the relegation zone. The players aren't ideal but the majority of this squad won 2 trophies, got third and with a injury stricken squad still got 8th last season. They were then strengthened in the summer by according to fans smart INEOS recruitment. When we are in 7th/8th you can blame the player's ability for us not being able to go higher, after all the majority are not for me top 3/4 players. However, when the team is 15th you got to question the manager. If you don't, you are burying your head in the sand.
I think we'd have had more points under Frank.
Two things though, those who have faith in Amorim believe he'll be a better long term choice. Not sure why they have so much faith in him but I'll let them have it.
The other is that Frank wouldn't have necessarily just played 4-2-3-1. If there's on thing he is, he's flexible. Very unlike Amorim in that regard.
Have a look at the way Brentford have lined up the past couple of seasons. Sometimes 3 central defenders, sometimes 4, sometimes 4-3-3, sometimes 4-2-3-1. He assesses each opponent's strengths and weaknesses and changes when he thinks it's needed.
24/25 summary of lineups
23/24 version
I think we sit back and draw 1-1, but that is just based on recent performances
When I'm not causing them? Absolutely.
People often mention Xabi Alonso but Alonso played 4-4-2/4-2-3-1 against Bayern last night, previous match he played 3-5-2, match before that he played 3-4-3. Conte is probably the most famous and successful three at the back manager of the past 10 years and he switches as well, often playing 4-3-3 this year. Neither of those managers would come here and insist on only playing 3-4-3. After they lost 3 games in a row, it would have been back to 4-2-3-1 until there were results on the board.
He sets us up the same way every single game and you see the same flaws illustrate themselves every single time.
What’s the deal there? Are we expecting a miracle in game week 25 that wasn’t there in game 24?
What’s the deal there? Are we expecting a miracle in game week 25 that wasn’t there in game 24?
Even Moyes chucked in Januzaj didn't he?
Losing while blooding kids I can stand. But losing whilst being too cowardly to change anything, even throwing on Chido for a CB ffs, is pitiful.
Good job it was away as I think the home fan reaction would have been terrible.
Maybe. They were already up a goal before that and with this team it is not certain that they wouldn't have gone on to score again as we have seen countless times that our performance tapers off after we score a goal.
A striker was my one and only priority for the January window. Unfortunately the club couldn't pull of a signing and now we'll have to get by on what is available.
Our play still leaves a lot to be desired. Our midfield is as open as it was under ETH and our defense hasn't tightened up inspite of us playing with 3 central defenders. I don't see any particular patterns of play or fast build ups. Our pressing isn't very good either. We don't the ball quick enough or enough times to start fast attacks. Our football isn't very good and we don't seem to be improving either. It's hard to find any incremental gains forget any exponential improvements.
The old Matt Busby maxim of 'If you're good enough, you're old enough' springs to mind. It's what this club was founded on in modern times.
Brentford have scored 15 more goals than United this year though and their team is fairly average, they play decent football.
Sets up the same way but seems to pick the team by throwing darts at a dart board.
Actually, bookies say that we are no1 favorite for winning it. So, it is not zero chance.
Toilet duck should always be consumed as part of a balanced diet.
Yes. Look how much he is getting out of Justin Kluivert, who not long ago was probably seen as one of those players that would be passed around all over Europe without doing anything.
Amorim is out of his depth. Even the greatest managers changed their formations or systems. This was another case where City were linked with him, and we had our pants pulled down again just like Maguire, Sanchez and Fred.
Can we start hiring managers that have coached in England, Germany or Spain. The standard of the Portuguese league is low right now. Benfica are managed by someone who was out of his depth at Wolves. If Bruno Lage won the league with Benfica this season, would we hire him?
Well Spurs are still in the Europa League as well, so given that they're 3-0 in the head-to-head this season, I wouldn't hold your breath. Frankly, it's hard to see this team beating the likes of Lazio or Bilbao either.
I get that, but it’s one thing to say it and another to see it actually happen. Look at the players we signed under Ten Hag—they all seemed like his signings to me. Now, we’re already being linked with Quenda and Gyökeres, two of Amorim’s former players, which strongly suggests they’d be his picks as well. They might be good signings, but let’s not pretend this hasn't happened previously.