Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Should have been hired for the summer and we kept with Ruud until then

It makes absolutely zero sense to hire a manager with a certain system and then not back him, like what was to be expected when changing a club mid season with a group of players that generally don’t give a feck regardless

I’ve started to worry for the manager that squad is winning very few matches between now and May
 
Church o Choccy said:
To be fair if we get relegated that might be the one scenario I'd be happy keeping Ruben. I reckon he'd do alright in the Championship. We'd have a decent chance of making the playoffs.
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That’s the one scenario where he will get sacked!
 
Leftback99 said:
The quality of the players is by far the biggest issue.
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Yeah but as a club we are now in a place where we can't change the squad, we need the manager to come in & try to do the best he can with what we have. I think no one is expecting miracles but this is just dire
 
lilcurt said:
The sad thing is, the only reason INEOS won't sack him is because of how much it will cost... but then that means they won't back him properly.

We are just a mess. INEOS saved the Glazers, without them the leeches would have been forced to sell in full. But INEOS can't afford or don't have the desire to pump money in (to the extent they can) to the club either.

So now we are back where we were. Owners who want to make a giant on life support self sufficient, without investing their own money and building for a dividend.
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This....forced his hand then when he got here, they can't back him. They assumed he would turn these overpaid players into world class players.
 
pocco said:
Amad was out. Tell me your great suggestion for WB today? Pretty sure Amad played WB in his last game.
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Shouldn't that tell you the formation had to be different. Why persist with something that no player is available for? If we ever needed a clear showing of who this manager is, this game was it. He's clueless tactically, stubborn and would not give the young players a chance. Now we are in relegation team levels, we might as well act like one. Get in a new manager and salvage the season somewhat. INEOS' stupidity in hiring a rigid manager in a season where flexibility was all we needed to get something out of it has hurt us badly and this is the result. If he is rigid with his style of play, it would be most foolish to expect him to be relaxed elsewhere and we saw that today with the subs. Stubborn as a bloody determined bull.
 
Everton and Ipswich up next...never been in a relegation battle as a United fan.

Exciting times.
 
afrocentricity said:
All 3 were challenging his authority, Sancho is a better comparison with them. With Rashford he either would have met the levels or been moved on like many a player...... No crazy expectations, no crazy wage packet, no time spent waiting to see if it'll fix itself....
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Amorim isn't responsible for any of those crazy things. He came in seen rashford cares solely about rashford and doesn't have an ounce of effort in him and got him out as soon as he could. So basically he done exactly what Sir Alex would have done.
 
Red Rash said:
Should have stuck with Ruud till the summer then brought Amorim in. Unless we completely overhaul the squad he has no chance.
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Or stuck with Ruud till the summer and then bring in a different manager who can win football matches.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
Yeah but as a club we are now in a place where we can't change the squad, we need the manager to come in & try to do the best he can with what we have. I think no one is expecting miracles but this is just dire
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I just don't expect anything from these forwards and midfielders myself whatever the formation. Amad was the only positive.
 
Just said in his interview that he thought we were going to sneak a goal in and that's why he held off making any subs, but said the youngsters will play.
 
stevoc said:
It's easy and perhaps beneficial to predict short term pain. Delivering the long term gain is another matter though.
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If he doesn't deliver after a full preseason and a full summer transfer window then I can accept that he is out of his depth but considering how unbalanced our squad is both in quality and age wise I'm willing to give him the benefit of doubt until then.
 
the hea said:
No it's not. We created more than enough chanses today to get at least one point if not all 3. It's the players that are letting us down every single week. Garnacho can't score, Bruno can't pass, Casemiro can't run, Dalot is unable to do anything productive, Onana costing us goals almost every week, Hojlund unable to control even the easiest of balls etc...
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I think what you are saying is fine for today but this spurs team is absolutely terrible and they had 22 shots against us today. We have no physicality in the team and alongside that we are so open through the middle. I am struggling to see who we can beat in this league over the next 15 games
 
I get both sides of the fan base on this one, and it seems to be very divided with him, on the whole. The issue is, even if he is a top coach whose system could work here, he’s losing so many games you wonder how much this is going to have an impact on his time here going forward. The players confidence is obviously low, but also he can’t be feeling great with this start? It’s been a lot worse than anyone imagined, even him, despite what he said at the start of his reign. No way he expected us to be hovering in 15th and a team that everyone wants to play to get an easy 3 points. Desperately need a couple more wins and soon.
 
A good manager gets the best out of his squad. It's that simple. Has anyone actually improved under Amorim? Are we making progress?

I accept inconsistency, but when you take a club and make it worse it's on you.
 
The way I see it is that the manager wants to play 3-4-3, but only has one of the wingbacks (Dorgu) who can actually play the system. Shaw, Dalot, Malacia, Maz are just not capable of doing it currently. However, with the right training it can be done so that the team can move from 5-2-3 that they currently have to play.
I see a lot of people blaming the system, but its not the manager's fault that the players that have been brought in are incapable of adapting fast enough like the vast majority of other teams have done when changing formation.
Its also not the system's fault that the players we do have are incapable of passing to their own team or doing anything other than shambling around and not busting a gut to get back in position.
 
For the guys who keep saying "play the young one's, we're United, it's what we do."

Go and look at the ages some of our greats made their league debuts. Never mind those who played more of a squad role. That at a time when we were on top with a bunch of top senior players.

Fergie didn't just throw around league debuts to 17/18 year olds.
 
the hea said:
No it's not. We created more than enough chanses today to get at least one point if not all 3. It's the players that are letting us down every single week. Garnacho can't score, Bruno can't pass, Casemiro can't run, Dalot is unable to do anything productive, Onana costing us goals almost every week, Hojlund unable to control even the easiest of balls etc...
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But at what point do we start to look at whether Amorim is ideal to get the best of these players. You can tell that the players don't trust him and he doesn't trust the players. You can't buy a whole new XI in one summer so he needs to start managing these players egos better because I think Amorim is losing the locker room and more than half of this squad will still be here this summer
 
A lot of barking about subs but we looked at our most likely to get a goal in the last 15 mins, no need to change that set up for a kid who wasn’t training with the first team a week ago in my opinion.
 
Every manager needs tactical flexibility.

Even if Amorim gets every player he wants, and manages to implement his system to a tee, at some point somebody will work out how to counter it.

I’d like to see some experimentation with squad and formation in the remaining league games.
 
evil_geko said:
You rattled quite a few people on here, good, call out the clown fiesta.
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Yeah. I don't think they're completely wrong in the frustration as the club's been mismanaged for years, but knives out negativity in this specific situation isn't helping. We are playing well at times, we just cannot fecking score. Garnacho missed a practically open goal - that's not a tactics thing - that is the environment turning into an insane pressure cooker. Fans have got into a cycle now where every bad result, bad decision is a reason to put the knife in - a positive feedback loop basically. We desperately need some positivity, like fecking oxygen at the moment.
 
Steve Bruce said:
Amorim isn't responsible for any of those crazy things. He came in seen rashford cares solely about rashford and doesn't have an ounce of effort in him and got him out as soon as he could. So basically he done exactly what Sir Alex would have done.
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I said in the post you quoted that this isn't about Amorim... I disagree about how things would have gone with SAF. I'm bored of this now.....
 
UnitedSofa said:
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Sounds great in theory, but the reality of "writing off the season" entirely is that when you lose the dressing room, there's no way to get it back. Not saying that's happened already, but it's a real risk when you keep losing games.
 
The refusal to make a sub is baffling. We had an unprecedented injury crisis and this was a free hit for him to play the youngsters. He's manager of Manchester United ffs.
 
Blind faith is the only thing saving him. He's shown absolutely -nada- since becoming United-manager. His game management must be the worst I've seen in this league, and he doesn't even try to change a game tactically. He's clearly in over his head.
 
Nonameisknown said:
Too put it simply, he's a nothing manager. He won't make it here.
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I am really sorry, but I started to believe this a couple of games ago. He is living by excuses week in week out.
First was lack of training sessions and congested schedule, now it's injuries, what comes afterwards? Summer, new transfers, players not having chemistry, etc
 
I really don’t care about scores at this stage but I’m struggling to see any improvement in our general play. I thought that by now we would see some foundations for what is about to come in the next season. So far not much. With no funds in sight I really don’t know what INEOS was thinking when hiring someone like Amorim. Ruud could have done a decent job until the end of the season.
 
he's joined not the best situation/during an incredibly hard period - and it was always going to be tough - but I don't think he's done particularly well, and I think even him would say he's not been good. I mean he has 14 points out of a potential 42 in the prem. 14 games, 4 wins, 2 draws and 8 losses - that's a shambolic record.

we were down bad in the table prior to him joining but funny enough only 4 points off of top 4 at the time

 
Josep Dowling said:
His options are limited for the game but I certainly wouldn’t be playing Bruno in the midfield 2. He should be one of the CAMs with two midfielders that can run in CM.

The club overlook CM so many summers in the past. We got Ugarte in but we needed a replacement for Eriksen’s creativity. We started off the season with 2 first team CM in Eriksen and Casemiro that simply cannot play football at this level anymore.
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Eriksen and Casemiro stil have enough to offer. But not in this system.
 
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