Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Not been a fan of Amorim but today isn't on him. For a change, we did create some chances. Let's hope we get some players back soon.

Still think this 5221 isn't going go work and he won't last the season if he persists with it.
 
He must not be familiar with our history of youth players, Fergie threw on Macheda in a far more important game and won us the title, would it have hurt to give Chido 20 minutes?
 
Rafa20 said:
Why not this is nothing to do with him, if they are not motivated he can to test young players, dalot for full season is rubbish but still he is the one always selected. We were on this kind of situation during Van Gal period. He try to gave chance for Rashford even if, all world doubts about him. Amorim not brave enough to put young players. Besides, what is the idea he was talking about the begining.
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I think if you put virtually any manager in this situation, the outcome will not be very different. You can't make a gourmet meal with ingredients from the rubbish bin.
 
gaffs said:
This is true.

There is more to it than the system though. These players can do the basics - they cant make simple passes at times or hold the ball up. It doesnt matter what the system is when individuals cant to the basics.
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I hate when we keep coming back to this. No, these players are capable of doing better, and yes the system might be an issue. When a manager decides to put 5 defenders on the pitch it's an issue.
 
Devil81 said:
His use of Obi then was baffling, what did have to lose in all honesty. Giving him them 3 minutes was basically a pointless substitution.
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I was in the same way of thinking, but i’ve calmed and i can see why he didn’t. He persisted with Hojland as a message to the board, they chose not to bring anyone anyone……..some loans .Chido has barely played, would you really want to expose the kids to the toxicity around the club. At least previously the team were in a good place, if they made a mistake today it could ruin them. This is squarely on the Glazers and Ineos. The club knew how he played, and put a gun n to his head by making him come now rather than at the end of the season, they had a ready made manager who played 442 and was prepared to stay as interim until the end of the season but no type said it’s now or never to Amorim.
 
Nobody expected a huge turnaround but 14 points from 14 league games is something else entirely. Not sure where you go from here
 
Delano said:
Get the system ready for who? If the acceptance is that the squad can't play this style, we need to sell to replace, and we have no money... What's the pain for? The same players next season?

It's all well and good saying this in theory, but the reality is we don't have the cheque book to fill the system, and every loss equals less money from the league.
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Usually winning results in more winning, playing good leads to playing better and so on. Losing games, finishing bottom table, playing absolutely nothing can bring success? I never heard of that but who knows.
 
Club is toxic and supporters are a big part of the problem now, they don't see that their constant negative noise and negativity has an effect. Some of you should feck off and support City.
 
redNATION said:
He must not be familiar with our history of youth players, Fergie threw on Macheda in a far more important game and won us the title, would it have hurt to give Chido 20 minutes?
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I do agree he should have just rolled the dice with the young guys in the last 15-20 minutes.
 
People banging on about the system like we were better in a 4-3-3.

It's the disastrous squad Ten Hag put together that is to blame for all our woes. It's bottom half level.
 
redNATION said:
He must not be familiar with our history of youth players, Fergie threw on Macheda in a far more important game and won us the title, would it have hurt to give Chido 20 minutes?
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Not remotely comparable situations.
 
the hea said:
He warned us this would happen when he came. This is the short term pain he was talking about.
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Yeah. Really smart of him to say we will be crap so that it can insulate him from any criticisms when we are REALLY crap.
 
He had nothing to lose making subs with ten or fifteen minutes to go. We were already losing, we had players dead out there and we didn't have any momentum at the time.

Make the subs, bring in fresh players who will run and fight at least.
It's disappointing
The sub he did make was probably worse than not making a sub at all
 
You can point at the squad all you want, but reality is, he's cost a lot of money to get him to come here midseason, and we're going to give him tens/hundreds of millions, while under PSR scrutiny, to buy players that suit his system, that is yet to show any credible notion it will come good.

Forget fans for a second, he's got to show something to his employers, that he's the man for the job. So far, football's not great, defence is shambles, and we can't score a goal.
 
Nico87 said:
The idea that if a youth player come on and did nothing would ruin them is extremely disingenuous. You could give them several games and they’re a million miles away and get sent back to the youth team would not be an issue for anyone.

But refusing to react when several players out there are actively detrimental to the team deserves criticism. What they could they have done worse that Casemiro, Hojlund and Garnacho were doing today? If anything they would have much more leeway based on how poor the aforementioned played and would be less affected knowing the senior players would get the brunt of the criticism.

It’s not his fault the team is so poor but their is worrying signs in how overtly cautious he appears, even in losing positions. Also the fact he keeps trying the same thing over and over, I’m getting flashbacks of Moyes against Fulham.
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It's criminal for a Manchester United manager to be so scared of using the youth even when we have a functional team. To refuse to use them in these circumstances is unforgivable. What more could we have lost that we haven't lost already?
 
Pretty disappointed with Ruben today and that he didn’t role the dice with the youth options given some of the performances out there.

it must be tough for him though seeing the low football IQ of this side and some of the really awful decision making. It really is going to tough seeing this season out. Thankfully we have a healthy vision on the bottom 3 because these players don’t have the heart for a scrap.
 
if you need 11 perfect players to play your system, you've already lost.

If you can't drill these professional players to play your system to a decent level, you've already lost.
 
Nico87 said:
The idea that if a youth player come on and did nothing would ruin them is extremely disingenuous. You could give them several games and they’re a million miles away and get sent back to the youth team would not be an issue for anyone.

But refusing to react when several players out there are actively detrimental to the team deserves criticism. What they could they have done worse that Casemiro, Hojlund and Garnacho were doing today? If anything they would have much more leeway based on how poor the aforementioned played and would be less affected knowing the senior players would get the brunt of the criticism.

It’s not his fault the team is so poor but their is worrying signs in how overtly cautious he appears, even in losing positions. Also the fact he keeps trying the same thing over and over, I’m getting flashbacks of Moyes against Fulham.
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Very much agree on this. As has happened with ten Hag before him, a manager who has done great things with smaller teams before look to be out of depth at United. I think every manager needs 3 years at least but we’ve not seen any positives at all so far.
 
Thom Merrilin said:
The explanation for not making subs is that Amorim doesn't want to kill a young players confidence by bringing him on in a difficult away game. I agree that he shouldn't have made the subs at all though. Probably felt the pressure of a loss incoming.
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Thats a poor explanation, and goes against what many big managers do when they have to change the game. They put faith in their young talent to come on and make a difference, even for 10 mins. Amorim didn't show much bravery today, and the fact that we still look like a back 5 even after giving him a LWB and seeing a more natural option at RWB is worrying. He says wel see a plan immediately and I don't quite see it.
 
Already sick of this system.

Seeing us constantly behind while he keeps 5 defenders on the pitch at all times is the complete antithesis of everything Manchester United should be about. I think he’s completely the wrong fit for this club.

Would not be sad at all if he’s not here next season.
 
sirAlexsglasses said:
I was in the same way of thinking, but i’ve calmed and i can see why he didn’t. He persisted with Hojland as a message to the board, they chose not to bring anyone anyone……..some loans .Chido has barely played, would you really want to expose the kids to the toxicity around the club. At least previously the team were in a good place, if they made a mistake today it could ruin them. This is squarely on the Glazers and Ineos. The club knew how he played, and put a great n to his head by making him come now rather than at the end of the season, they had a ready made manager who played 442 and was prepared to stay as interim until the end of the season,
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Great. I’d rather (given he’s manager of Man United) that he tried to get a result for us with the players he had… which included some very well rated midfielders and a 9 who could/should have had 20 minutes.
 
We actually played a lot better today than usual and it was down to finally playing the wing backs in their natural positions. Baby steps. As long as that continues we should create enough chances in our final games to survive. If he switches them again, we are in serious trouble. When we get get Ugarte and Collyer back, we'll look more competent in midfield.

Far as i'm concerned, the goal now is to win 3 matches and comfortably secure survival. Where will those wins come from? This is our PL fixture list till the end of the season.

Everton away - Loss.
Ipswich at home - Must win.
Arsenal at home - Loss.
Leicester away - Must win.
Forest away - Loss.
City at home - Loss.
Newcastle away - Loss.
Wolves at home - Must win.
Bournemouth away - Loss.
Brentford away - Loss.
West Ham at home - Must win.
Chelsea away - Loss.
Villa at home - Loss.

So realistically, we only have 4 winnable games left in the PL.
 
afrocentricity said:
Bollox. He got rid of them for bigger reasons than, x stopped running and smiling.... and let's be honest, while he was here standards rarely dropped like they currently have, for many. That's not on Amorim, SAF is a rare breed.... and still misunderstood by many.
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Ince? Beckham? Stam? None of these where out clubbing in Belfast missing flights home etc. None of these players went out onto the pitch and not run for the team.

So it's not bollox at all
 
UnitedSofa said:
Are we forgetting Chelsea won 2 UCL’s & a PL with it?

And I’m sure City have used it before
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Leicester won PL should we copy Leicester gameplan?

Chelsea wouldn't defend their title with wingbacks?

City has forever had 3 real midfielders in all its games, Pep even added Stones as another midfielder.

Rodri,KDB and Bernado/Gundo were the main stay in City midfield.

No single day Pep has played with 5 flat defenders in over 20 games. Not Klopp not Ferguson not Wenger not Mourinho has ever done it. Who else should be yardstick of measure?

But believing it will work now with Amorim is wishful thinking. In other leagues it will work but in EPL never.

Lets give it time, as i said it in December , Time is the best medicine,it will reveal everything.

If you expect Amorim to turn in to 'Klopp or Pep' form, without changing anything you are deluded. This formation is not sustainable in EPL, it cant win 25 games in a season. And if it does it a fluke you wont do it again, Chelsea proved that.
 
InspiRED said:
Club is toxic and supporters are a big part of the problem now, they don't see that their constant negative noise and negativity has an effect. Some of you should feck off and support City.
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Get fecked. How are the fans the issue? We have been far too tolerate since SAF left and have enabled the erosion of standards because of the tolerance.
 
hellhunter said:
We were, we haven't been worse since before Sir Alex
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Last time we played Spurs in the league we got smashed 3-0. So I'm not sure you can say we're worse now but I think saying we're better would be a stretch too. We're as equally shit under Amorim as we were under Ten Hag.
 
InspiRED said:
Club is toxic and supporters are a big part of the problem now, they don't see that their constant negative noise and negativity has an effect. Some of you should feck off and support City.
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I swear to God I've never seen fans of a top club put up with so much rubbish and low standards as our fans, and then get accused of being toxic because we hate being closer to relegation than CL football.
 
His substitutions today were woeful, Hojlund was useless the whole game yet wasnt taken off and Casemiro was on a yellow at half time and looked spent but was somehow kept on until the 92st minute.

Chido Obi should have been on much earlier.
 
the hea said:
He warned us this would happen when he came. This is the short term pain he was talking about.
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It's easy and perhaps beneficial to predict short term pain. Delivering the long term gain is another matter though.
 
UnitedSofa said:
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What a stupid tweet. What system are we getting ready for and which players look like they are going to be part of it long term? If the system cannot be implemented with these players and we need an entire new XI for it, then why didn't we wait till the summer to hire him and have Ruud finish the season for us?
 
hellhunter said:
Do you see anything whatsoever pointing towards that brighter future? It's blind hope
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This side has been a shower of shite with the last four managers.....Amorim has only brought one player who looks the part for the 343.......but go ahead and sack him....who do we go for? Who is the Pep that is going to turn these bakers into doctors?
 
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