I'm sure it was the fault of all the previous managers too
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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I'm sure it was the fault of all the previous managers too
Exactly, Iraola is who they should have gone for. It’s not too late for them to undo their mistake and get him. But they won’t, he’ll go to Spurs and we will sack Amorim within three months of the new season.
If Rio (or anyone else) can't see that the 'system' is already flexible and gets adapted throughout games, I don't know what to say
Agree with this sentiment re ETH.
The issue we have is that in both boxes we are equally shit, can't score cant keep a clean sheet. Teams are coming and having a go because they know we are toothless in attack.
Re Amorim, I believe he will come good in the long term but there are some questionable choices I must admit. 3 central defenders requires pace on the RCB and LCB and Yoro is sat on the bench (unless not fully fit) while we have two aircraft carriers starting yesterday. His previous success was put down to his Wing Backs as the make or break of his system, what was overlooked was how his CB stepped into Midfield quite often. We only really saw that yesterday with Yoro. Low and behold we looked much better.
Don't forget, that they had them on the ropes when the ref blew the whistle, against the team of the moment. I'm way before judging him, but his first transfer Dorgu looks promising, then replace Onana wit Bayindir and Hojlund with Obi, Amad on the right, and you already have a much better team + Rashford is gone and that's before transfers, it might actually be a very good coach, he needs to have the summer window.
Disagree with everything. I see a way of thinking and what he wants from the players who miserably fail to execute it due to several huge factors.
4 months is not enough to transform a team into a new way of playing, and he was not brought in to steady the ship and accommodate to players we have but to start a revolution with complete overhaul in sight, in terms of staff, wage structure, principles. I'm all for giving him a pre-season and a full season. Also think 6 new signings would improve things massively. Anyone thinking chopping and changing managers every couple months is going to magically fix some the fundamental issues which solely clubs state/mismanagement fault is in for a shock.
but it isn't... sometimes a player comes on (usually Garno) and makes things look a bit better, but Amorim has admitted he's not going to change. But, hey, maybe all the pundits and ex-players are wrong and you are right
Again, this is all good, but this club doesn't have the money to see through such a drastic change in management style. There won't be a "bigger action", a "purge", in the summer because the club can't afford it. The players from this season will be the players for next season, and for the season after that for the most part. Amorim may be a good coach, I think he is, but it was a terrible appointment that didn't take into account the state of the club. United can't afford Amorim. That's the issue.
Of course, one can blame him for refusing to adapt, but he warned everyone about this when he came here, that he isn't changing, and I'm sure he warned Berrada as well, so this was well known and wasn't a surprise. He didn't come here under false pretenses. Yet he was still hired, despite this knowledge, despite the fact he doesn't fit this squad, and despite the situation in the club. I think Berrada has horribly overestimated United's capabilities compared to City's. United can't do the things they can. For example, Liverpool realised this and steered away from Amorim. Because he didn't fit their club and they also can't afford such a drastic change. And they are in a significantly better state than United.
Amorim is an issue, but he isn't the issue. It's INEOS's catastrophic incompetence, even if they mean good. But at this level, mistakes are costly.
Good point here - if the players are all sooo shit, nothing will change in the summer. 2 or 3 signings maybe?
We're not 15th best in the league, that's clear. We player City off the park in the cup final last year. Amorim is the problem. He has to do better, and it has to start now. Continue like this until the summer and he shouldn't be anywhere near the club.
I think the club can't afford how we assembled squad so far, we're now focused on young, cheap players regardless of a manager. So the drastic change is coming anyway. It is important all the signings suit our future general style of play, no matter the manager.
Craziest post I have seen in 2025 (and possibly even before). Only way this makes sense is if you are talking about current Scholes and Keane. Our inability to control the game and progress the ball through midfield is THE biggest issue we have had since Michael Carrick declined as a player and if we had Scholes and Keane as a midfield pairing, we would be amongst the PL contenders - though probably falling short a bit due to the issues you mentioned.
yes it fecking is.
We defend with 4-4-2, we defend with 5-4-1 - both standard in modern football with top sides
At attack with 3-2-5, we attack with 2-3-5 - both standard in modern football with top sides
both adaptations have flexibility in the who the person moving about is and we adapt to the personnel.. e.g. when the tens are comfortable playing more outside the wingbacks come inside, while with Zirkzee we maintain the width through a wingback or midfielder pulling wide..
I’d say the minimum expectation for a manager replacing an underperforming manager is to not make things worse. I’m not sure why expecting that is being looked down upon exactly.
oh dear, oh dear: all you're saying his players move during a game! And at no stage in years have we gone 4-4-2
The faulty thinking was in signing players with terrible physical profiles and low football iq. Dorgu for example will be worth something whether Amorim is here in 2026 or not. As long as we are signing young, hungry, smart physical players then they will be able to adapt to a new manager. Our problem is we sign players like Maguire and Bruno who basically force us to play a certain way or they become complete liabilities. There wasn't much to build on after Ole and ETH anyways. I'd rather Amorim get a fair chance to implement his style and then judge him after that.
The cult of the manager mentality of our fans is so often overlooked when it comes to discussing the problems at the club. Being manager of Manchester United has to be one of the best jobs around, now matter how shite you do the fans will stick by you passionately regardless and throw the players under the bus for you. We give managers far longer than we should because the fans will sing his name all the way to relegation if they could.
so that's your argument. mummy will be so proud. blocked for being pathetic
ok, now I know who I'm talking to
It always happens after getting out one of defensive players and getting an attacker in.
Yesterday it was after Casemiro / Garnacho sub.
I have wrote a big piece of this.
All games we have gotten something this season, bar Fulham was after doing some change in going to attack.
We start games to defensively.
Can the next boss please, please be one who's achieved something in one of Europe's top leagues...(not that Amorim is on the way out yet, but I don't expect him to be here this time next year)
Absolute rubbish, this is worse than its ever looked, and grow up, not every view you dont agree with is an agenda
It didn’t help that the players we signed often weren’t good enough. But the faulty thinking lies in the belief that a new manager should be allowed to disassemble an expensive squad and replace them with ‘his players’, who aren’t, as we’ve seen, necessarily better, just a different profile. No club can afford to keep doing that, which was the whole idea behind the INEOS game model: to buy players in keeping with a longterm club strategy and demand that any manager is willing to operate within said philosophy. Instead we seem to be repeating the mistakes of the past, and curiously, many fans seem to be encouraging this. We’ve hired a manager who’s married to a very specific system ill-suited to most of the squad, much is which he seems ready to discard already, who will need several specialist signings that might be useless in a couple of years. This manager’s system has now seemingly become the foundation behind our ‘game model’ but more, it seems, out of chance and circumstance than out of strategy and longterm thinking.
I’m confused. God help these players.
How about we just play 442. Garnacho can stay out wide. Dorgu has the option to over or under lap and Zirkzee can peal of the attack to create 10 and allow Bruno to run ahead of him.
Logically this is what he’s trying to do when Garnacho enters the field. But we persist with this stupid set up where the players playing 10 don’t have a clue what their role is.
It could be but in it's current guise it's not, but even then it has a lot of limitations central defenders are not full backs or central midfielders but in this system they have to be both in terms if the system is working they have to be able to defend wide in space at points and at other points step into midfield, if they were good enough to be central midfielders they would be central midfielders
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Interesting article today by David Walsh in Sunday Times about Warren Gatland and Wales rugby. I think you can draw a lot of insight into what drives success in these teams and it always comes back to the players rather than coach.
Amorim will potentially be successful if the right players can be found - don’t care about system - and equally Slot at Liverpool is extremely lucky with the group he inherited and is no messiah.
Nothing earth shattering in there but certainly should encourage a more circumspect view from supporters. United have been desperately searching for a new messiah for 12 years now. It’s all beginning to feel a bit like Monty Pythons Life of Brian.
Amorim will potentially be successful if the right players can be found - don’t care about system - and equally Slot at Liverpool is extremely lucky with the group he inherited and is no messiah.
Nothing earth shattering in there but certainly should encourage a more circumspect view from supporters. United have been desperately searching for a new messiah for 12 years now. It’s all beginning to feel a bit like Monty Pythons Life of Brian.
To the bolded part - Really? So if Amorim gets a couple of wins in the next few weeks (not hard to do, we might get lucky or improve), and we get up to 10th, you'll stop posting this drivel and start supporting him? Also - I like how people are trying their best to discredit him now by lengthening his time here - 3 months, 4 months, 5 months now
He joined mid-Nov and played his first game against Ipswich Nov 24th, so he's been here 90+ days, while we languished in 13th and this included the crazy Christmas/NY schedules so I'm not sure what you're expecting in those 3+ months. Sure, we could have got a bit luckier with the new manager bounce but that probablygot used up with Ruud already.Blaming the winter window on him while we have management with no money to spend is quite the take. Are you saying Amorim should have spent his own money to buy players?
OK. How does it? What amazing tweaks are you seeing that one of the best readers of the game to play for this club can't see?
He was a great reader of the game in terms of interceptions. That doesn’t make him tactically astute regarding other areas of just in general. He’s far from that as everyone can tell from his punditry.
Ragnick did to be fair - 4222 is essentially just a modern fancy name for 442.
Yeah our previous managers are pulling trees after managing us.
The job was too big for Moyes.
Van gaal and mourinho were over the hills before being appointed.
One and ETH?
Ah so Iraola is the new flavour of the month manager. No doubt had we somehow gotten Iraola instead, end up in the same situation, people would be clammering for Amorim.
If any manager had been as bad as Amorim, some people would want another manager, yes. Seeing as Amorim has been historically bad thus far with no silver linings, that’s not really that strange.
I think you've somehow completely missed my point.
The cult of the manager-haters also makes rational discussion so difficult and tedious. Arguing everything in bad faith and twisting any scenario to suit their hate-agenda just so they can act like pratty know-it-alls. The way I see it, if we gave failures and barely qualified people like ETH and Ole billions and years to fk up the club, why are we so bloodthirsty to throw out the most "potentially" promising candidate we have in 3 months? Especially considering the context of his tenure. But surely someone rational like you could see that, right?
With Diallo we lost our best player, and with Licha out we lost our best defender. Mainoo will be out for one more month I think, so with collyer and eriksen
How did Ancelloti fare with Everton?
Amorim is nowhere near Ancelloti, who is in the top 10 of the history, but even the Ancellotis of the world would not be able to do anything significant.
How did Ancelloti fare with Everton?
Amorim is nowhere near Ancelloti, who is in the top 10 of the history, but even the Ancellotis of the world would not be able to do anything significant.
There is no evidence we need specialist signings that will be useless in a couple years. Dorgu is his only signing so far and I'd say he fit's the long term club strategy ( young, physical, talented)
A new manager has to be allowed to build a team in his image unless you want that power to lie with Ratcliff/Berrada/Wilcox. You call the squad expensive which makes it sound like the players are worth something but the truth is most of these players are expensive flops. If we get rid of some of them and make more signings in the Dorgu price range and profile then we will be much better off in the long run even if Amorim doesn't work out.
Amorim does have a flaw in that he is married to one formation and one style of play but the club knew that before they hired him. Clearly they think if given the tools he can make huge improvements. Remains to be seen whether they were right or wrong but to dismiss the guy before he has even had a full transfer window or season is ludricous.
What are your expectations right now though? Just PL survival? Every manager has the same issues, this forum said the same thing re signings after every manager. There has to be some onus to a head coach to, well, coach.
Your point is based on the assumption that another manager would have had us performing as poorly as Amorim, which is unlikely.
Exactly at this point I am not looking for anything other than improvements in performance, we don't press well, we don't move the ball well, we don't defend well and we don't attack well consistently.
I mean I'd expect one of those things to at least be like there i can see what he wants to do there but the whole thing is a mess and the players look like they know it's a mess and they are playing like its a mess.
Man Utd's last open-play goal in a 1st half came against Forest on Nov 7th. Only creating 0.04 xG in first half today. Why do we start games so slowly?
Today's draw, the win v Southampton, and the win v Leicester were all appalling until about the 70th minute, when we finally upped the intensity.
Because we start with 5 pure defenders, we offer absolutely nothing going forward. Only after doing some substitution is when we start to attack. But Amorim will start the same back 5 against Ipswich
Today's draw, the win v Southampton, and the win v Leicester were all appalling until about the 70th minute, when we finally upped the intensity.
Because we start with 5 pure defenders, we offer absolutely nothing going forward. Only after doing some substitution is when we start to attack. But Amorim will start the same back 5 against Ipswich