Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Cantonagotmehere said:
How has he been playing? Does he play for U21's? I have not heard much about his performances. I should watch more of our youth games when they are available.
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With each game he's becoming more relaxed, confident and dominant. You can actually witness his trajectory with each performance, which has been rarity with our players post SAF.
I think he has real potential to be a very good player for us.
 
Roboc7 said:
Well I am free to discuss what I want, if you find that odd then that that’s obviously an issue you have.

Again players form over a long period of time is more relevant in these circumstances rather than just staying the obvious that form is not static, which is just common sense.
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You quoted and replied to me. So, if you’re not going to be talking about what I’m talking about, that’s a senseless exercise and a waste of both of our times, no? Even odder to get passive aggressive when I politely tried to steer the conversation back on track

Form over long time doesn’t change the fact that you loan players in the hopes they can turn it around to; alleviate wage pressure, create a market to move them on and/or develop or experience an upturn in form so drastic that reintegrating becomes a possibility - the latter is usually for youngsters and doesn’t really apply in this scenario. However; again, if you’re not bringing bodies in for a first team squad already low in numbers and quality, sanctioning exits is a poor decision because those same players you loaned out for opportunities and game time - would then have opportunities and game time here - and if they can change it around elsewhere, there isn’t any universal law saying they couldn’t/wouldn’t be able to do so here. Whereas now you’re likely reduced to trying to fit square pegs in round holes and/or rushing youngsters that are potentially not mentally nor physically ready.
 
Cathy Ferguson said:
I might be undestimating him, but imho he has shown very little at United. Fans who rate him tend to focus on his Sporting days and do not like to talk about his achievements at United. Let's see where we are in May.
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No you are not. He is extremely underwhelming, limited and tactically very confusing coach. The team look so much lesser than the sum of its parts. Our players aren't 13th best in the league. He can and should be doing better, and must be held at the same higher standard he expecting from his players.

He will still be here come May, largely because what else can INEOS do?
 
Need to go pick up a few out of contract players if we want to win some games this year. Got to be one or two we can give a one year deal to
 
Of all the youth players I’m hoping Moorhouse is given a chance at some point today. I don’t think the more hyped ones are ready personally and Chido looks like he’ll get found out right now. Moorhouse looks the most talented to me and one I think could maybe contribute due to his pace and dribbling ability.
 
I think he could have done very well with van gaals squad. Goal scorers check. World class am check (as much as i dislike the rat). Schmidfield check. Dirty bastard in Herrera check. Blind and Shaw check. De gea still at peak check. Not to mention some talented youngsters like Tyrel Brackett and Paddy MacNair.
 
Woziak said:
If he loses the next two away PL games, his record will be 4 wins, 2 draws and 9 defeats and the clamour for him to be sacked will be deafening but we must still back him, we simply need 3 Wins from the last 14 then use the PL as a league to bed in the youngsters and see how many could be good enough for next season.
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By who?
I agree with the rest of the post that we need to stick it out and I think most fans think the same way. The media bullcrap and fan channel hyperbole isn’t reflective of the fanbase.
 
Kind of a free pass today. Lose and it’s down to the injuries and having a rubbish 11 out there. Win and he becomes a genius for winning with an injured squad
 
It's been what only his 3rd game where he's had 1 week between games? And the players have dropped like flies.
 
I’d be sympathetic to Amorim particularly because of a point he alluded to in terms of United v spurs expectations.

I think the pressure of being expected to perform to such high levels with such a miserably disjointed squad is A massive issue. And it’s partially why we see this squad actually do well against stronger teams and more recently in away games, the pressure is effectively off. If the clubs name was changed to Brighton we’d be top half of table with this Squad, probably challenging for top 6. If we had a solid striker we’d be possibly higher.
 
pascell said:
He's playing Dorgu in the exact same role as Amad, why is it so baffling to play him there? It's a like for like replacement and prevents disrupting the back line even further.
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Dorgu is a left wingback and was to solve the issue of us having no fit lwb and having to play Dalot at lwb when he cant play there so his decision to play Dorgu out of position at rwb while also continuing to play Dalot out of position at lwb is truely baffling.
 
Ronaldo's ego said:
By who?
I agree with the rest of the post that we need to stick it out and I think most fans think the same way. The media bullcrap and fan channel hyperbole isn’t reflective of the fanbase.
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The media will drive the narrative, opposition fans will constantly be on the wind up but SJR is too skint to sack him, this season anyway ?
 
Woziak said:
Totally agree we can not sack him, we need to be honest with ourselves as a fanbase. The squad is better than 14-17th but not by much maybe 10th-12th at best, certain players can get up for cup competitions but the coach is so shot in the head right now, he’s not wining any cup this year with this squad.

Amorim has made some stupid mistakes, especially letting two attackers going out on loan and not bringing anyone in, that’s on him, his Latin temperament will mature in time and he’ll realise he could have handled the rashford situation better, got 6 months out of him then sold him, he would have scored goals and got assists from the bench or starting, he’s not played for 2 months, right now he’s fresh and raring to go so nice one, you’ve just improved Villa massively.

We might get 38-43 points, we should be ok and end up 16th in the PL.

We might get Knocked out in 5/6th round of Fa Cup and might make 1/4 final in Europa League but I think we go in round of 16.

This is what is going to happen so we need to deal with it and hope Amorim can get what he wants in pre season. That means he would have had 40 matches to impose his system, he gets 10 PL games in new season like Berrada who is not best in class as a CEO, as he’s never done that job and he’s making huge mistakes too as he learns the

Ashworth was an experienced DOF, Berrada and Amorim are both rookies in their roles as PL CEO’s and Head Coach. That means you afford them some time but not an unlimited amount. We need to see 1.8/2 points per game after the first 10-12 Pl games of next season, if it’s the same 1-1.3 points he simply has to go with Omar Berrada too and I say this as someone who desperately wants him to succeed!
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This is what I’ve been saying for a good while as regardless of whether Ashworth was the answer long term or not the reality is he was experienced in the role we brought him in for whilst Berrada has no experience as a CEO and no right in making footballing decisions, going by metric of some that Ashworth wasn’t good enough after only 5 months then Amorim isn’t good enough based on what we see and that’s on Berrada as Amorim was his guy.

I really love Amorim’s honesty and would love for him to succeed also but both he and Berrada needed an experienced person alongside them to ease them in and create the foundations throughout the footballing department which Ashworth would have been, it just all seems like the club haven’t learnt from the past and are allowing CEO’s and non footballing people to make footballing decisions.
pascell said:
He's playing Dorgu in the exact same role as Amad, why is it so baffling to play him there? It's a like for like replacement and prevents disrupting the back line even further.
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That’s such a massive cop out in saying Dorgu is playing Amad’s role as it’s been stated so many times over the past few months that we needed a left footed left wing back so we signed Dorgu yet even before Amad’s injury Dorgu has been playing on the right, it’s been clear since Amorim came in that Dalot on the left doesn’t work yet Amorim persists with Dalot on the left so plays inside wing backs along with two 10’s so we have zero width.
 
Players should be warming down after playing a game, not being thrown into a full training session. That's why we've had this catalogue of injuries.

These sound like muscular injuries and if that's the case, he is to blame for four players pulling up lame in a weak, one of them a key player out for the season.
 
LDUred said:
Players should be warming down after playing a game, not being thrown into a full training session. That's why we've had this catalogue of injuries.

These sound like muscular injuries and if that's the case, he is to blame for four players pulling up lame in a weak, one of them a key player out for the season.
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That training session after the Leicester game was bonkers.
 
Garethw said:
That training session after the Leicester game was bonkers.
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Reminded me of ETH making the players run however many miles it was after the Brentford loss.

"Punishment by training" plays well with the fans but tends to be counterproductive to player conditioning.
 
Ronaldo's ego said:
That would be career suicide. Getting a big job and quitting is just about the worst thing you can do for your rep.

The club has been mismanaged for two decades now, eight of those years was masked by the greatness of Sir Alex. Since then we’ve lulled between not good enough and downright awful. It’s crazy that with every manager we say it can’t get worse and it just does, if not for how utterly terrible the sides below us are we could have actually been in a legit relegation battle.
On the flip side, the club is just not setup for success and it’s gonna take time, at some point we have to stick it out.

Obviously there’s not much to be impressed about so far but I’ll maintain that it’s not even worth considering his position until around this time next season. Back him in the summer, give him a full pre-season (plenty of training sessions) and let him go again. He might not be the one but he might be given enough time, let’s not cut our losses without giving him a fair shake.
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I don’t have concerns about him. I don’t know yet if he’s the best but he’s proven himself a good coach.

But if the expectation is to try rescuing the situation with a depleted squad and zero funds than he’s being set up to fail. Damned did he does…damned if he doesn’t.
 
This formation will never work, unless you have 11 specialists. Premier league teams pick out the deficiencies in it, Portuguese teams not so much evidently. It’s better to cut our losses now, this could end in relegation.
 
No excuses left. Spurs haven't won for 3 months at home and are missing even more players than us.
 
A loss today will put Amorim under huge pressure. I am not sure he will survive till the end of the season.
 
renatosanches85 said:
This formation will never work, unless you have 11 specialists. Premier league teams pick out the deficiencies in it, Portuguese teams not so much evidently. It’s better to cut our losses now, this could end in relegation.
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Well we just signed a WB and it has made zero difference. Still playing as a back 5.
 
He looks genuinely fed up with these players and I don't blame him. Garnacho missing a sitter and school boy defending are infuriating to watch. Formation aside these players are truly lacking quality
 
thegregster said:
No excuses left. Spurs haven't won for 3 months at home and are missing even more players than us.
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They obviously aren't missing more players than us. Our bench is all children and we had literally no options but to just pick the 11 senior fit players that we had, even if some of them are kind of out of position (or just straight up not wanted like casemiro).
 
astracrazy said:
Well we just signed a WB and it has made zero difference. Still playing as a back 5.
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You need two athletic powerful runners in the middle of the park to make up the spaces, he had these in Hjulmand and Morita at Sporting. He doesn’t at Utd, potentially the young players but he doesn’t trust them over a slow Casemiro/Eriksen. Wing backs can’t push on as wingers when the midfield is constantly overrun.
 
We don’t have the squad at all to play a 2 man midfield. This 343 isn’t working whatsoever.
 
renatosanches85 said:
You need two athletic powerful runners in the middle of the park to make up the spaces, he had these in Hjulmand and Morita at Sporting. He doesn’t at Utd, potentially the young players but he doesn’t trust them over a slow Casemiro/Eriksen. Wing backs can’t push on as wingers when the midfield is constantly overrun.
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Ok

But before we signed him the excuse was "we need proper WBs". Now we have one and nothing has changed. Now its "we need different CMs". Which is probably the case, I'm not disputing you.

But this is kind of proving a problem with Amorims one way of playing.
 
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